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He's more truthful than Zero, Kilery or Bidet.

O'Biden isn't with it enough to make that decision. We will go nuclear and whoever tells him what to say, he will say. I hope we don't but please bear in mind, Biden is deciding nothing.

There are several problems with your statement.

First is that the elections to join Russia are invalid. The bulk of the manpower fighting in the Donbas is from the Donbas and the Donbas immediately started fighting for freedom from the Ukraine when we installed the Nazis government in the Ukraine. The majority of the regions voting are majority ethnic Russians and face severe discrimination and death at the hands of the Ukrainian Nazis government. The elections are most certainly represent the will of the people in the breakaway regions.

Second is that thank god the Ukraine was denuclearized before the Nazis gained control. The ethnic Russians would have already been slaughtered if the Nazis had a nuclear shield. Millions of ethnic Russian Ukrainians would already be dead.

Third is we know who was behind the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines. That’s the rulers of the American Empire. Whether it was carried out by US military personnel or by proxy is irrelevant. We ordered the destruction. There is no benefit worth the risk to China. Russia can easily expand gas and oil production to supply China and Europe simultaneously.

Motive , means , and opportunity in one of the most surveilled patches of ocean on earth. We the USA did it.

The Ukrainian constitution doesn't have provisions for secession through popular vote. De-nuclearization is the only reason the US is involved. I'd prefer we weren't. And you KNOW the United States is responsible? Can you please show me the evidence that convinced you of that?

Who the hell else has motive and means? Russia is going to cut off the means to deliver gas when that is the knife it holds over Western Europe? Russia did this when we are going into winter and he would be able to exchange gas for gold?

A western European nation that is facing winter without gas would cut off their access to gas?

Now we get to the Vichy government of the USA which desperately wants to halt the ability of the Russians to furnish gas to Western Europe. The same USA that knows Western Europe will cave and make peace for gas come December and January. The same USA that has the equipment and huge motive to stop Russia's ability to move gas into Germany et al.

Who has motive and ability? There is only one choice.

Then most certainly there is proof of that somewhere. But at this point it is speculation.

Who else has the ability and the motive? As I said before, China. China has the west at a weak point and suspicion placed on the US all while Russia has lost easy transport of their goods into Germany, allowing for a surplus available to their other pipelines; thus China can command a lower price. Then, if Russia and the US are busy killing each other, they have cover to move into Taiwan. China grows stronger while NATO and Russia become weaker.

Bingo. Throw in the fact traitor, lying Brennan said......it was Putin.

How much did Putin plan on making off that pipeline? Wasn't it something like $14 trillion?

There is only one answer that makes sense and it ain't China.

Monetary reset, massive decline in population.

Truth.

China's LNG demand increased 16% in 2022, while their GDP fell. China is the world's largest importer and their imports have been on the rise, however rising prices are putting a squeeze on them. I don't see how Russia having fewer customers and increasing the cost to sell to Europe doesn't benefit China.

Meanwhile, skepticism of the USA over the idea the USA blew it certainly helps China.

What a damned mess. This once great nation is so screwed up with corruption and lack of morality, I seriously question if it can recover to being the moral constitutional republic it was originally founded to be. I am so sad to see it decline. At the end of WW II, the U.S. and the Greater British Empire was the hope of western civilization, for the most part. It appears that much of western civilization, the Russians, probably the Chinese, and no telling who else, are going to be sucked into a major world changing conflict with the destructive potential on a scale the planet has never seen, that we know of. All because of corruption, lack of a moral compass, and plain stupidity. I just wanted to live out my final years at peace and in reasonable comfort. Not to be a bother to anyone and not to be bothered by anyone. I am envious of the Australians as they are on the other side of the planet and in a different hemisphere. Maybe they can stay out of all this stupidity as someone has to survive to rebuild civilization. They, the South Americans, and most of Africa may well be all that survive for the most part if this situation is not quickly contained. Biblical prophecy appears to be playing out. I really hope I am wrong. I really don't like doom & gloom, but this is serious.

America's government is at war with Russia.

“The primordial interest of the United States, over which for centuries we have fought wars– the First, the Second and Cold Wars– has been the relationship between Germany and Russia, because united there, they’re the only force that could threaten us. And to make sure that that doesn’t happen.” George Friedman, STRATFOR CEO at The Chicago Council on Foreign Affairs

The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.

The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.

That’s where Ukraine comes into the picture. Ukraine is Washington’s ‘weapon of choice’ for torpedoing Nord Stream and putting a wedge between Germany and Russia. The strategy is taken from page one of the US Foreign Policy Handbook under the rubric: Divide and Rule. Washington needs to create the perception that Russia poses a security threat to Europe. That’s the goal. They need to show that Putin is a bloodthirsty aggressor with a hair-trigger temper who cannot be trusted. To that end, the media has been given the assignment of reiterating over and over again, “Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.” What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and that the US has invaded or toppled regimes in more than 50 countries in the same period of time, and that the US maintains over 800 military bases in countries around the world. None of this is reported by the media, instead the focus is on “evil Putin” who has amassed an estimated 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border threatening to plunge all of Europe into another bloody war.

All of the hysterical war propaganda is created with the intention of manufacturing a crisis that can be used to isolate, demonize and, ultimately, splinter Russia into smaller units. The real target, however, is not Russia, but Germany. Check out this excerpt from an article by Michael Hudson at The Unz Review:

“The only way left for U.S. diplomats to block European purchases is to goad Russia into a military response and then claim that avenging this response outweighs any purely national economic interest. As hawkish Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, explained in a State Department press briefing on January 27: “If Russia invades Ukraine one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” (“America’s Real Adversaries Are Its European and Other Allies”, The Unz Review)

There it is in black and white. The Biden team wants to “goad Russia into a military response” in order to sabotage NordStream. That implies there will be some kind of provocation designed to induce Putin to send his troops across the border to defend the ethnic Russians in the eastern part of the country. If Putin takes the bait, the response would be swift and harsh. The media will excoriate the action as a threat to all of Europe while leaders around the world will denounce Putin as the “new Hitler”. This is Washington’s strategy in a nutshell, and the whole production is being orchestrated with one goal in mind; to make it politically impossible for the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to wave NordStream through the final approval process.

Given what we know about Washington’s opposition to Nord Stream, readers may wonder why earlier in the year the Biden administration lobbied Congress NOT to impose more sanctions on the project. The answer to that question is simple: Domestic politics. Germany is currently decommissioning its nuclear power plants and needs natural gas to make up for the energy shortfall. Also, the threat of economic sanctions is a “turn-off” for Germans who see them as a sign of foreign meddling. “Why is the United States interfering in our energy decisions,” asks the average German. “Washington should mind its own business and stay out of ours.” This is precisely the response one would expect from any reasonable person.

Then, there’s this from Al Jazeera:

“Germans in the majority support the project, it is only parts of the elite and media who are against the pipeline…

“The more the US talks about sanctioning or criticizes the project, the more it becomes popular in German society,” said Stefan Meister, a Russia and eastern Europe expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations.” (“Nord Stream 2: Why Russia’s pipeline to Europe divides the West”, AlJazeera)

So, public opinion is solidly behind Nord Stream which helps to explain why Washington settled on a new approach. Sanctions are not going to work, so Uncle Sam has flipped to Plan B: Create a big enough external threat that Germany will be forced to block the opening of the pipeline. Frankly, the strategy smacks of desperation, but you have to be impressed by Washington’s perseverance. They might be down by 5 runs in the bottom of the 9th, but they haven’t thrown in the towel just yet. They’re going to give it one last shot and see if they can make some headway.

On Monday, President Biden held his first joint-press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz at the White House. The ballyhoo surrounding the event was simply unprecedented. Everything was orchestrated to manufacture a “crisis atmosphere” that Biden used to pressure the chancellor in the direction of US policy. Earlier in the week, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki repeatedly said that a “Russian invasion was imminent.” Her comments were followed by State Department flak Nick Price opining that the Intel agencies had provided him with details of an alleged Russian-backed “false flag” operation they expected to take place in the near future in east Ukraine. Price’s warning was followed on Sunday morning by national security advisor Jake Sullivan claiming that a Russian invasion could happen at any time maybe “even tomorrow.” This was just days after Bloomberg News agency had published its sensational and utterly-false headline that “Russia Invades Ukraine”.

Can you see the pattern here? Can you see how these baseless claims were all used to apply pressure to the unsuspecting German chancellor who seemed oblivious to the campaign that was aimed at him?

As one might expect, the final blow was delivered by the American president himself. During the press conference Biden stated emphatically that,

“If Russia invades … there will no longer [be] a Nord Stream 2.. We will bring an end to it.”

So, now Washington sets policy for Germany???

What insufferable arrogance!

The German chancellor was taken aback by Biden’s comments which clearly were not part of the original script. Even so, Scholz never agreed to cancel Nord Stream and refused to even mention the pipeline by name. If Biden thought he could sandbag the leader of the world’s third biggest economy by cornering him in a public forum, he guessed wrong. Germany remains committed to launching Nord Stream regardless of potential flare-ups in far-flung Ukraine. But that could change at any time. After all, who knows what incitements Washington might be planning in the near future? Who knows how many lives they are prepared to sacrifice in order to put a wedge between Germany and Russia? Who knows what risks Biden is willing to take to slow America’s decline and prevent a new “polycentric” world order from emerging? Anything could happen in the weeks ahead. Anything.

For now, Germany is in the catbird seat. It’s up to Scholz to decide how the matter will be settled. Will he implement the policy that best serves the interests of the German people or will he cave in to Biden’s relentless arm twisting? Will he chart a new course that strengthens new alliances in the bustling Eurasian corridor or will he throw his support behind Washington’s crazed geopolitical ambitions? Will he accept Germany’s pivotal role in a new world order— in which many emerging centers of power share equally in global governance and where the leadership remains unflinchingly committed to multilateralism, peaceful development and security for all– or will he try to prop up the tattered post-War system that has clearly outlived its shelf-life?

One thing is certain; whatever Germany decides is bound to affect us all.
This explains much of the motivation to destroy the Nordstream pipelines.
Then there’s the declaration by the current president that we would make sure the Nordstream 2 pipeline would never open if Russia invaded the Ukraine. Then there’s the current State Department Undersecretary for political affairs who was also the architect of the ‘14 coup in Ukraine that set this war in motion. She also stated that we would destroy the pipeline.

I can say we had motive , ability , opportunity , and declared intention.

You don't suppose you greatly benefit from American Hegemony?

I do not. I take no money from the government. I am a business owner and the government treats me like an ATM machine... and the government hoops had had to jump through to build my business was mind boggling.
Not to mention the CPA and bookkeeper I have to employ to make sure the government gets its share of my earnings, just those two services cost me over $1k a month.
Then we have property tax's. payroll, workers comp and on and on....
I have a silent business partner, they never contributed an hour of labor nor a dime of investment, yet when I make a profit they sure as hell get their cut.... so NO, fuuck the hegemony banker /.gov cocksuuckers...

No Sir, the deep state is at war with Russia because Russia hates Soros and won’t back off on Syrian puppet control attempts by the US going on for 15 years