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Originally Posted by LEADMINER
This from Iowa DNR website....
Legal firearms for the youth/disabled and shotgun 1 and 2 seasons include:

Pistols and revolvers (with a minimum barrel length of 4 inches)
Straight-wall and "necked-down" cartridge rifles shooting an expanding type bullet of at least .350 inches and no greater than .500 inches with at least 500 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
This includes, but is not limited to, the following common calibers: .35 Whelen, .350 Legend, .358 Winchester, .375 Winchester, .40 S&W, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 Long Colt, .45 Raptor, .450 Bushmaster, .450 Marlin, .45-70 Govt, .460 S&W and .500 S&W.

If you’re not sure if your cartridge is allowed, please check with your local DNR conservation officer.



All of them, as long as they have a bullet diameter between 0.350 inches and 0.500 inches.
Thanks for looking that up.

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50 BMG?
Nope -- .510" projectile

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One can only thank Iowa’s progressive DNR for making possible such deer cartridges as the 50 Fat Mac, a fifty off the 20mm case, while canceling — making illegal— such civilian dangers as the 32 Special, the 30/30, or the 308, or the 260, or the 243 or, even the 30/06 or the 270, and the 6.5 Creed. What, the Fat Mac too much? Step down to something more reasonable like the 416 Barrett.

Or, conversely, are these reg’s a tactic, as the 35’s and up quickly become large, more fearsome cartridges where most Iowans won’t go; whereas, the 35 and below are typical deer cartridges and are ubiquitous in Iowa.

Ok, Seriously. Did a Wash DC Democrat congressional contingent become IA’s DNR. You just cannot make this up.

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If I hunted Iowa, I’d not worry about the illogic and simply enjoy the new freedom, while it lasts. Sooner or later, someone on a drive or other airing-out opportunity is gonna put one in the wrong place and they’ll be writing new rules, ignoring the fact that it was stupidity, not ballistics that caused the “accident”.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
If I hunted Iowa, I’d not worry about the illogic and simply enjoy the new freedom, while it lasts. Sooner or later, someone on a drive or other airing-out opportunity is gonna put one in the wrong place and they’ll be writing new rules, ignoring the fact that it was stupidity, not ballistics that caused the “accident”.
That's where I'm at with it.

Although in the past 20 years we went from may-issue to shall-issue to no-issue required, we got SBRs and suppressors, and we got big deer rifles - maybe it's another example of a trend of sanity re-entering the mainstream.

Nothing to do but wait and see. And find a rifle in my price range.

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I get to hunt the state every other year as a NR. Following the regs, gone from 12 gauge to 450 BM/45-70, 375 Win, and this year probably 35 Whelen. So far, all of these have worked and while it might be nice to reach way out there, after rut ( 2nd gun) opportunities at better bucks tend to be much closer in my experience.

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.375 250 TTSX has a BC of .424 and will go ~2800 FPS from a .375 H&H. For a well known "long-range" entity, the .375/250 @ 2800 will have a trajectory very similar to a 308Win w/168gn Sierra Match King. They're almost exactly the same drop @ 600yds and the 250 TTSX will drift about 2.75" more @ 600 < 1/2MOA wind drift difference between the two.

Food for thought.
It's certainly tempting. Any idea where I could start looking for a rifle well south of $1,000?
2 further questions:

Where does .375 Ruger fall into this discussion? Essentially an even match for the H&H?

There are Mossberg rifles available chambered for that, priced under $500. That pricing doesn't seem like it would get me to where I want to be, but it's a considerably lower price of admission to the medium-bore game. Do these things have anything better than a "functional" reputation?

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Originally Posted by LEADMINER
I get to hunt the state every other year as a NR. Following the regs, gone from 12 gauge to 450 BM/45-70, 375 Win, and this year probably 35 Whelen. So far, all of these have worked and while it might be nice to reach way out there, after rut ( 2nd gun) opportunities at better bucks tend to be much closer in my experience.
My group tends to have pretty good success filling >70% of our tags, but we are hunting a couple of properties where ownership is more interested in population control & we're mostly interested in filling freezers.

We frequently end up setting up an evening stand where we just can't cover all the ground with the .350 Legends and .45-70 Gov'ts, so I'm looking for another tool to add to our options.

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The 35 whelen 200- 225 grain Barnes in an accurate rifle will fill any long range hunting role an accurate rifle in 30-06 and 180 grain bullet will.

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Originally Posted by tbird86
My group tends to have pretty good success filling >70% of our tags, but we are hunting a couple of properties where ownership is more interested in population control & we're mostly interested in filling freezers.

We frequently end up setting up an evening stand where we just can't cover all the ground with the .350 Legends and .45-70 Gov'ts, so I'm looking for another tool to add to our options.

I think the CVA Scout in 35 Whelen has a lot going for it, especially the price and the 25" barrel. For deer, I'd look at 180- and 200-grain bullets. They're probably screaming fast in a barrel that long.


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If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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Originally Posted by tbird86
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Originally Posted by horse1
.375 250 TTSX has a BC of .424 and will go ~2800 FPS from a .375 H&H. For a well known "long-range" entity, the .375/250 @ 2800 will have a trajectory very similar to a 308Win w/168gn Sierra Match King. They're almost exactly the same drop @ 600yds and the 250 TTSX will drift about 2.75" more @ 600 < 1/2MOA wind drift difference between the two.

Food for thought.
It's certainly tempting. Any idea where I could start looking for a rifle well south of $1,000?
2 further questions:

Where does .375 Ruger fall into this discussion? Essentially an even match for the H&H?

There are Mossberg rifles available chambered for that, priced under $500. That pricing doesn't seem like it would get me to where I want to be, but it's a considerably lower price of admission to the medium-bore game. Do these things have anything better than a "functional" reputation?

I've never owned or shot a .375 Ruger so I can't say. Back in the height of Remington making dozens if not hundreds of SKU's on the 700's they has a 700 SPS Syn/Blued in .375 H&H that retailed for <$600. No clue if anyone might part with one for that kind of $$ now though.


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Strange times we are living in...can you imagine even five years ago, a discussion of Iowa deer guns with 375 H&H in discussion? smile

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Originally Posted by LEADMINER
Strange times we are living in...can you imagine even five years ago, a discussion of Iowa deer guns with 375 H&H in discussion? smile

That it's even a discussion point is really crystal-clear proof of how ignorant the lawmakers and regulators are.

Not a slight against the OP at all. Were I in his shoes, I'd be toting my Kimber Talkeetna .375 H&H this fall.

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Originally Posted by tbird86
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Originally Posted by horse1
.375 250 TTSX has a BC of .424 and will go ~2800 FPS from a .375 H&H. For a well known "long-range" entity, the .375/250 @ 2800 will have a trajectory very similar to a 308Win w/168gn Sierra Match King. They're almost exactly the same drop @ 600yds and the 250 TTSX will drift about 2.75" more @ 600 < 1/2MOA wind drift difference between the two.

Food for thought.
It's certainly tempting. Any idea where I could start looking for a rifle well south of $1,000?
2 further questions:

Where does .375 Ruger fall into this discussion? Essentially an even match for the H&H?

There are Mossberg rifles available chambered for that, priced under $500. That pricing doesn't seem like it would get me to where I want to be, but it's a considerably lower price of admission to the medium-bore game. Do these things have anything better than a "functional" reputation?

The 375 Ruger is every bit the 375 H&H and is Iowa-legal according to the reg’s, but the fact that this is being discussed as an option for whitetails in Iowa is beyond ludicrous in light of the fact that a farmer can’t use his own, old 30/30 in his river bottom. I’ve carried and used both 375’s; chosen and used in factory form they are completely out of proportion for deer.

Certainly, nothing meant against the poster or his question.

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Originally Posted by LEADMINER
Strange times we are living in...can you imagine even five years ago, a discussion of Iowa deer guns with 375 H&H in discussion? smile
Originally Posted by horse1
That it's even a discussion point is really crystal-clear proof of how ignorant the lawmakers and regulators are.

Not a slight against the OP at all. Were I in his shoes, I'd be toting my Kimber Talkeetna .375 H&H this fall.
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
...but the fact that this is being discussed as an option for whitetails in Iowa is beyond ludicrous in light of the fact that a farmer can’t use his own, old 30/30 in his river bottom. I’ve carried and used both 375’s; chosen and used in factory form they are completely out of proportion for deer.

Certainly, nothing meant against the poster or his question.
No offense taken, nor slights inferred. I fully understand that a 6.5 PRC or 7mm Rem Mag would do this job with a whole lot less fuss & recoil, but we're playing with the deck we're dealt at this point. I sold off a perfectly decent pair of 6.5 Grendels a couple of years ago just because there's no legal reason to run them here.

That said, I'm glad for the expanded options & opportunities. Here's hoping that a few years from now we can move the boundary a little further toward sanity.

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Originally Posted by horse1
[quote=LEADMINER]... Were I in his shoes, I'd be toting my Kimber Talkeetna .375 H&H this fall.

I am in my shoes -- is that an offer to get your Kimber a little workout? wink

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Originally Posted by okie john
I think the CVA Scout in 35 Whelen has a lot going for it, especially the price and the 25" barrel. For deer, I'd look at 180- and 200-grain bullets. They're probably screaming fast in a barrel that long.

Why would they have picked a metric barrel thread for this uniquely American creation? Who has a can threaded for M16x1? The .350 Legend version is 5/8-24...

Anyway -- I see a lot of these for sale, but don't hear anything about them. How does the 2nd shot work out?

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If it were me hunting IA w/ the new regs [which it's not... our farm is 7 miles on the E side of the river... where I have no hope of IL ever making better decisions on firearms]... and if I had a good spot to actually see and shoot big bucks at long range. I would go with a 2 gun solution. A short, handy bolt or pump in 358Rem or 35 Whelen and then build a heavy custom 375 or 40cal w/ a break and a scope that can take the abuse. Run custom bullets if needed.

For a one gun solution, mid weight 9.3x62 w/ Accubonds and a compact Nightforce should get you to 600y w/ enough practice and still be handy for anything closer.


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Originally Posted by TDN
If it were me hunting IA w/ the new regs [which it's not... our farm is 7 miles on the E side of the river... where I have no hope of IL ever making better decisions on firearms]... and if I had a good spot to actually see and shoot big bucks at long range. I would go with a 2 gun solution. A short, handy bolt or pump in 358Rem or 35 Whelen and then build a heavy custom 375 or 40cal w/ a break and a scope that can take the abuse. Run custom bullets if needed.

For a one gun solution, mid weight 9.3x62 w/ Accubonds and a compact Nightforce should get you to 600y w/ enough practice and still be handy for anything closer.
A pair of solid thoughts there too.

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