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Good friend Brisco, there was no time before Jesus. Remember the Fourth Man in the Fire?

Or the 'ONE' that visited Abraham and then Lot.....

And, us!

So when Jesus spoke of the spirit he really meant a man, not the Holy Spirit.

Kent

To the extent that you’re saying that our efforts to proper understanding of God & His W/word can tempt us toward ungodly pride I’d say amen that is true.

The flip side of that is the ironic point and I’m not “dunking on you” here but the fact is you’re doing exactly what you say is so bad about others.

You’re judging, you’re universalizing your experience and telling everyone else what’s right based upon your experience and opinions. Sounds to me like you’re literally doing everything you say others are guilty of.

My point here isn’t that I’m right and you’re wrong, but that there is no way to get around a certain (evil) pride against which we must pray because we’re fallen men.

So we can’t shrug and say “thanks for your special revelation Lord but when I study it I’m tempted to pride” and “so I’ll remain ignorant like a child”.

Christ wasn’t instructing us to remain ignorant, but to come with empty hands, “nothing in my hands I bring; simply to thy cross I cling”. The cross has a meaning; “Jesus loves me; this I know” has a meaning.

We all know that the definition of “love” in our culture is perverted… I’m sure that’s one thing we agree on. So vocabulary and definitions matter deeply.

This is my prayer for all of us whether people agree with me or not. That they would know the risen Lord and what His definition of love is… not mine or yours or the cultures.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness

Jesus was there from the beginning. He created it all and brought life and light to us.

Yes. But this truth is very under represented

I am going to investigate Jews for Jesus to see what they say. I'm about done with the Christianity that descended from Constantine's (Catholic)version that ruled the western world by terror and force.

Jesus, in preaching the Law to Israel of that day, was not teaching them to follow the Law to be saved.
In His own words he was preaching the law to them and hiding the truth so that they were condemned. Hard truth but truth none the less.

Jesus preached Grace to those whose hearts were opened to hear. He preached law to those condemned by unbelief.

Paul and Jesus preached the same message.

Truth. Christ was not sent as an example of how to keep the law but as an answer to our inability to keep the law. I’m grateful for that.

The whole point of Christianity is that man is fallen and unable to live up to “religion”.

If you’re looking to get away from hypocrisy you’ll have to escape people, not just post-Constantine Christianity.

Christ had to come because no one was ever going to be delivered by following law. We must be forgiven and given righteousness by God Himself.

You’ll be disappointed no matter where you turn if you’re looking for religious consistency.

It’s worth noting that the Book of Galatians was written to address the very bad idea of Messianic Christianity. That book will be a good counter point to consider in relation to your studies.

You post this as an absolute. Are you absolutely sure you're correct. How could you defend your position?

There was only one perfect person so only one perfect doctrine, we can't replicate that perfect life or that doctrine. It's also not necessary to be perfect or understand perfectly. Jesus left us enough life examples of being saved in faith without theology.

Kent

There can be no doubt that grace can and indeed MUST cover over heterodoxy… if it can’t or won’t there is no hope for me or anyone else.


On the other hand the statement “Jesus left us enough life examples of being saved in faith without theology.” Is itself a theological statement, given the fact that theology means “knowledge of God”.

theology thē-ŏl′ə-jē

noun

The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions.

A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

Theology literally translated means the study or knowledge of God.

You claim to be quite a learned man so I find it surprising that you don’t know that?

Why do you continue to project chit on me I never claimed... I've had to unlearn.

Kent

Did you not say that you studied a great deal and found the exercise empty?

Why do you insist upon being obtuse?

Did you not know the literal Greek translation of the word?

No, No, and Yes.

Do you claim to have perfect knowledge of God, Theological perfection.

And am I wrong that Jesus gave us life examples of being saved in faith with no theological knowledge? Which I was referring to.

Kent