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JESUS, by HIS own admission, did not personally bring us ALL truth....

HE said that task would be accomplished by the Holy Spirit..... SO, you cannot look to ONLY HIS words for '...all things pertaining to life and GODliness...'

Ontology is only as good as its assumptions and premises. It is evidence, not ontology that proves a proposition.

One way to look at is.... Ontology is the study of reality. Ontology is supported by objectivism, thus has ability to be proven. For example, organizations in which we carry out data collections for our research exists in reality and can thus be proven.

Another to look at it is... Ontology is not itself reality; it is theory of, or words about, reality.

More....Ontology is the study of being, it tries to understand the reality.

In sum....i agree with you.

The ontological argument for God is based purely on deduction based on inference. You can apply the principle to any number of things you get a conclusion that is logical, based on the given assumptions, yet has no bearing on objective reality.

Well, who was Jesus speaking of when he spoke of his Father? Who was he praying to? Who was he talking about?

When it comes to modern versions of the ontological argument, you either see it or you don’t.

JESUS, by HIS own admission, did not personally bring us ALL truth....

HE said that task would be accomplished by the Holy Spirit..... SO, you cannot look to ONLY HIS words for '...all things pertaining to life and GODliness...'

These same questions were already asked by you earlier on this very thread. And you were given clear and specific and detailed answers to them on this very thread by several members here already. You’ve asked these same questions over and over and over again, in many threads on this board that involve these types of discussions. And you’re always given clear and specific and detailed answers to them, over and over and over again, by several members who participate on these type of threads.

Why do you repeatedly ask the same questions without accepting, or evidently even considering, the answers that you receive…?

You come across as not wanting answers that don’t go along with your already-formed opinions. Or are you seeking validation or agreement with your already-formed opinions with your questions ~ which aren’t actually questions at all, but conclusions disguised as questions…?

Do you then believe that on the one hand scripture is inspired but on the other it is not sufficient?

I saw that. The holy spirit must be how God quietly guides you. I don't think some flesh and blood weirdo out on the road to where ever in the desert became the Holy Spirit infused with the knowledge Jesus neglected to tell us. But I'm studying it to see if it might make sense however I'm unable to see it. Just because a witness says some things that are true doesn't mean he is not lying about the most important issue. Stick with Jesus words only and you will not get confused.

I just don't believe Jesus ever said that explicitly and surely not in the synoptic gospels. Who was he referencing when he spoke of his father? Who was he praying to? Who?

Word of mouth was the only way to get out Jesus' life and resurrection, told by witnesses the events like they happened. There was no chapter and verse to study, argue over. For Christianity to start and flourish all it needed was the story told.

If someone likes to study chapter and verse, fine for them, if someone doesn't and only needed to hear the word once, they aren't wrong.

Kent

Scripture is sufficient, that was addressing Hastings' notion that ONLY the words of JESUS are necessary.

These same questions were already asked by you earlier on this very thread. And you were given clear and specific and detailed answers to them on this very thread by several members here already. You’ve asked these same questions over and over and over again, in many threads on this board that involve these types of discussions. And you’re always given clear and specific and detailed answers to them, over and over and over again, by several members who participate on these type of threads.

Why do you repeatedly ask the same questions without accepting, or evidently even considering, the answers that you receive…?

You come across as not wanting answers that don’t go along with your already-formed opinions. Or are you seeking validation or agreement with your already-formed opinions with your questions ~ which aren’t actually questions at all, but conclusions disguised as questions…?

I never do get a plausible answer. I'm not expecting an answer from you or the others in your entrenched position. I Would like to think maybe some open minded person might study the questions for themselves. And we have no idea who might be reading with interest and not commenting. Jesus himself did not claim to be God, he often prayed to God, and he spoke of God as his Father and certainly a separate being.

Have you ever considered the possibility that your position is just as “entrenched” and close-minded as what you accuse others’ positions of being…? Nearly every single member on this forum who has responded to these specific question of yours ‘have’ studied these particular questions for themselves, and they have overwhelmingly come up with answers that don’t don’t align with your already-formed opinions on the matter.

God the Son became a human in Jesus. God the Son (Jesus) was born as a human baby and He lived in a human body, experiencing all that we experience…including praying to God the Father. Jesus had a human nature, in addition to His divinity.

Jesus clearly used the very words that God the Father clearly used to reveal Himself to Moses from the burning bush. To the Old Covenant, Mosaic Law following Jews who were there, this was the very epitome of blasphemy, and they clearly had no doubt that Jesus was clearly claiming to be God. So much so that they attempted to stone Him on the spot for it.

Another time Jesus clearly told the Jews that He and His Father are one. And the Old Covenant, Mosaic Law following Jews who were there had no doubt that Jesus was clearly claiming to be God. So much so that they again attempted to stone Him on the spot for it. They even clearly said they were stoning Him because He “claimed to be God.”

It’s crystal clear that “The Word” in John 1 is clearly a reference to Jesus Himself, as evidenced in other verses later in the same chapter: “the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us” (for example).

So it’s “In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus WAS God”.

These things have been clearly pointed out to you many times, by ‘many’ people here, every single time that you’ve stated here your disbelief that Jesus was and is God; and these things have been clearly pointed out to you many times, by ‘many’ people here, every single time that you’ve asked the question “Did Jesus Himself claim to be God”…?

Oh well.

And you accuse others of having an “entrenched position” and being close-minded…?!?!