I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
I own a few but not an expert on suppressors or how the values are measured. Most makers list “at the muzzle” numbers. Is this the same as what you’re calling “at the shooters ear”? If so, then 140 isn’t terrible comparatively. A cheap Silencerco Harvester, that I own, takes a .308 down to 135db. Honestly I’ve never noticed the weight one bit. POI change with and without it mounted is my biggest gripe.
You girls don't seem like the type that can afford the good stuff.
Have you been putting in extra hours picking up pop cans on the roadside?
I’d guess Kingston could roll a collection of every caliber/cerakote color combination you offer and still afford a couple of Taco Bell chalupas for lunch on the ride home from the FFL.
I own a few but not an expert on suppressors or how the values are measured. Most makers list “at the muzzle” numbers. Is this the same as what you’re calling “at the shooters ear”? If so, then 140 isn’t terrible comparatively. A cheap Silencerco Harvester, that I own, takes a .308 down to 135db. Honestly I’ve never noticed the weight one bit. POI change with and without it mounted is my biggest gripe.
Shooter ears is 1.6 meters off the ground with the mic 6 inches from the shooters ear on the right side.
You Harvester, assuming a newer EVO is pretty light at 11 ozs without the mount which add another 2 ozs. It adds 6 inches of lenght to the rifle.
My 4/2 Ti is 4 ozs mounted and adds 3.5 inches to the gun.
Lots of tradeoffs but I set out to capture the smallest lightest market, not the most quiet.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
You girls don't seem like the type that can afford the good stuff.
Have you been putting in extra hours picking up pop cans on the roadside?
I’d guess Kingston could roll a collection of every caliber/cerakote color combination you offer and still afford a couple of Taco Bell chalupas for lunch on the ride home from the FFL.
My ex-wife was the one with the deep pockets. I get a modest alimony. Anymore it's barely enough to keep fuel in the lawn mower and the weed whacker.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
So you took your product to the max allowable 140 db and couldnt use your "science" to reduce that down. Or did that "science" cut into profitability too much. Where you able to get down in the 100 db or lower range in development or did you just say fuuuk it make it as light as possible and push to 140db if that is what it takes.
So yours is made out of Titanium as its main selling point but yet people say on that link to that other site they have to wear hearing pro with yours and dont have too with others.
I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
So you took you product to the max allowable 140 db and couldnt use your "science" to reduce that down. Or did that "science" cut into profitability too much. Where you able to get down in the 100 db or lower range in development or did you just say [bleep] it make it as light as possible and push to 140db if that is what it takes.
So yours is made out of Titanium as its main selling point but yet people say on that link they have to wear hearing pro with yours and dont with others.
I own a few but not an expert on suppressors or how the values are measured. Most makers list “at the muzzle” numbers. Is this the same as what you’re calling “at the shooters ear”? If so, then 140 isn’t terrible comparatively. A cheap Silencerco Harvester, that I own, takes a .308 down to 135db. Honestly I’ve never noticed the weight one bit. POI change with and without it mounted is my biggest gripe.
Shooter ears is 1.6 meters off the ground with the mic 6 inches from the shooters ear on the right side.
You Harvester, assuming a newer EVO is pretty light at 11 ozs without the mount which add another 2 ozs. It adds 6 inches of lenght to the rifle.
My 4/2 Ti is 4 ozs mounted and adds 3.5 inches to the gun.
Lots of tradeoffs but I set out to capture the smallest lightest market, not the most quiet.
Diminishing returns. If someone is spending $1,000 and waiting months, setting up a trust etc.. the most quiet is a big factor. My harvester30 (not evo), on a 16” .308 the length and weight aren’t even noticeable. The noise and recoil reduction are.
To clarify, is the numbers you’re quoting at the muzzle like other manufacturers list?
I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
So you took you product to the max allowable 140 db and couldnt use your "science" to reduce that down. Or did that "science" cut into profitability too much. Where you able to get down in the 100 db or lower range in development or did you just say [bleep] it make it as light as possible and push to 140db if that is what it takes.
So yours is made out of Titanium as its main selling point but yet people say on that link they have to wear hearing pro with yours and dont with others.
Gotcha..
I’m pretty sure at this point that you could get a Blow Job from Selma Hayek and find something to complain about it.
😂
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
OSHA allows 140 db at the human ear? Below is from link posted below.
Painful & Dangerous
Decibel levels ranging from 120 to 140 dB are very dangerous to human hearing and also painful. Even the shortest direct exposure to such loud sounds can cause eardrum rupture and instant hearing loss.
Common sources of painful and dangerous noises with a level between 120 and 140 dB include:
· aircraft taking off;
· thunderclap;
· jackhammer or chainsaw;
· gunshot from a high-caliber gun or firearm like a rifle or a shotgun.
So you took you product to the max allowable 140 db and couldnt use your "science" to reduce that down. Or did that "science" cut into profitability too much. Where you able to get down in the 100 db or lower range in development or did you just say [bleep] it make it as light as possible and push to 140db if that is what it takes.
So yours is made out of Titanium as its main selling point but yet people say on that link they have to wear hearing pro with yours and dont with others.
Gotcha..
I’m pretty sure at this point that you could get a Blow Job from Selma Hayek and find something to complain about it.
😂
It's not Rene's fault that Selma Hayek doesn't know how to run a lawnmower.
Originally Posted by 16penny
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
So you took you product to the max allowable 140 db and couldnt use your "science" to reduce that down. Or did that "science" cut into profitability too much. Where you able to get down in the 100 db or lower range in development or did you just say [bleep] it make it as light as possible and push to 140db if that is what it takes.
So yours is made out of Titanium as its main selling point but yet people say on that link they have to wear hearing pro with yours and dont with others.
Gotcha..
I’m pretty sure at this point that you could get a Blow Job from Selma Hayek and find something to complain about it.
😂
I wouldn't complain if it was your mom honking on Bobo though.
I understand why you might think that based on all my other acomplishments, but no.
I did invent the first 4 oz effective centerfire suppressor, so I got that going for me.
Which is nice.
No you didn’t.
Stop lying.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Dumb question John, isn’t the point of a suppressor, to reduce noise? Size and weight are moot if it doesn’t reduce decibels to the point it’s safe to shoot sans hearing protection? Why bother otherwise. The threads on long range hunting all have the same comments, that it doesn’t reduce noise enough to negate the use of protection.
Not dumb at all.
OSHA considers 140 DB at the ear an acceptable amount of sound to which I can subject my employees.
My 4 oz Ti on a 6.5mm CM bolt gun has 140 DB at the shooters ear.
For spotters slightly further away we are way down in the 130 DB range.
I understand why some may want more suppression but how much weight will you tolerate on a hunting rifle?
Shooters ear numbers on an AR which is hard to get good shooter ear suppression. It's the little numbers LZMax. 139.5 DB.
OSHA allows 140 db at the human ear? Below is from link posted below.
Painful & Dangerous
Decibel levels ranging from 120 to 140 dB are very dangerous to human hearing and also painful. Even the shortest direct exposure to such loud sounds can cause eardrum rupture and instant hearing loss.
Common sources of painful and dangerous noises with a level between 120 and 140 dB include:
· aircraft taking off;
· thunderclap;
· jackhammer or chainsaw;
· gunshot from a high-caliber gun or firearm like a rifle or a shotgun.
Where you able to get down in the 100 db or lower range in development or did you just say fuuuk it make it as light as possible and push to 140db if that is what it takes.
Even a retard can see the brilliance of the design.
Yes I made it as light as possible.
When you have enough supression for hunting why add weight just to get more suppression than needed?
The market is full of heavy suppressors that chase each other in DB ratings.
I have the smallest lightest, by a long shot.
It might not be for everyone, just hunters who understand.
John Burns
I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.
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