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Just so you know….

You do not see…. A veil lies over your heart….2 Corinthians 3:16 “But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.”

This is how I know …..with certainty….2 Timothy 1:14 “Guard, through the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you.”

As I have noted before….when God comes to live within….and the veil is lifted, there is no doubt and no uncertainty.

This is the evidence and the proof…..

Well at least it's not blasphemy..

You do not see…. A veil lies over your heart….2 Corinthians 3:16 “But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.”

This is how I know …..with certainty….2 Timothy 1:14 “Guard, through the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you.”

As I have noted before….when God comes to live within….and the veil is lifted, there is no doubt and no uncertainty.

This is the evidence and the proof…..

No it's not. Doesn't do a whole lot for me. Everybody has fibrous connective tissue inside their bodies - just holds everything together.

Cannot open it...

It's a sad thing that all you only have is personal attacks and diatribe. It's no wonder Christianity is on the decline - nobody with any normal level of self respect would want to be part of that, and you guys are always the ones that arc up when faced with reasonable questions that you can't, or won't answer with honesty, always filling the gaps with false assertions that do nothing but make you feel good, despite what the truth may be.

You don't sell your religion very well and I'm sure that a god would be disappointed. YMMV

You and Raspy just go ahead and console each other in yet another hour of butt hurt.

The core message of Christianity is that God has sent His Son to live the perfect life we cannot live, to die, and to be raised so that those who look to that Son in faith may be forgiven.

We don’t save ourselves at all. Everything that needs to be done has been done by God Himself.

Mauser... You wanted a reasonable discussion. I see you don’t really have a good reason. I have given you some quick, basic reasons for my faith and why I believe what I do, and you’ve offered nothing of substance at all. So, please, try again.

I do have nice Christian manners, and I do call a spade, a spade....and what ad hominems, as you are the one attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.

Here is another one of your lies about me, quote, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." I've never hurled out insults or acted badly, and never discouraged fair and reasonable questioning....again, this is where your twisting vegetable salad comes in to play.

This is another lie, quote, "It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance' who make false accusations in defense of faith." Please name one false accusation I've made.

I disagree with this statement vehemently, quote, "Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion." I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH?

I can and do tolerate questioning and give you my opinion(s)...as said many times, I believe in God the Bible and that is the only Boat I have to float.

Is that so? Then why do so many Christian faiths espouse the promise of a afterlife, and then strike fear by threatening the gates of hell as the only other option.

That seems very self serving to me, what a man does and how he lives should be from the heart, not based on a threat or a reward.

That is part of the evidence that Christians believe....and that is called faith....Can you please tell me why I should reject the words of Jesus who claimed to be God in flesh, fulfilled the prophecies, rose from the dead.?

That’s a good point. I’ve thought about it a lot over the years. I was raised around Hell Fire Brimstone preaching. I don’t agree with that approach but somewhere along the way it became popular.

The nice thing about starting to understand the Gospel is to realize that it isn’t fear driven. It certainly isn’t driven by emotions. I haven’t thought it all the way through but it’s somewhere in between maybe?

Is that so? Then why do so many Christian faiths espouse the promise of a afterlife, and then strike fear by threatening the gates of hell as the only other option.

That seems very self serving to me, what a man does and how he lives should be from the heart, not based on a threat or a reward.

I think it’s likely that the overwhelming majority of people who’ve walked away from Christianity did not walk away from anything that had anything to do with the essentials of the faith.

I would propose that people have not walked away from Christianity but rather walked away from the stifling dogma of organized religion and the "church". Some, yes. Most? Who can say? "Stifling dogma" can be taken to mean that the church is sticking to sound doctrine and is not being seduced by modern liberal interpretations of a church's mission; or, it may just be an excuse people use for not participating in church. They may believe, but they'd rather work, hunt, fish, golf, or whatever on Sunday. And they darn sure don't want to put any money in the collection plate.

The church has let people down, not the Word. You are correct that the Word has never let people down. However, I would say that people have let the church down, not the other way around. Name one human organization that has not eventually lost sight of its original purpose to some extent. Governments, Corporations, hospitals, universities, you name it. Human beings are fallible, get used to it. Christians included, myself included. Again I say, if people were all that great we wouldn't need a Savior.

The only conclusion that can be reached from the myriad of self proclaimed expert responses to the OP is that too many Christians are more interested in having a debate about biblical theology vs living the Word. In other words, it is much easier to talk the talk than walk the walk. Of course it is. Paul said it long ago, paraphrased: I do the things I don't want to do, and fail to do the things I do want to do. In today's parlance, Paul said "I don't walk the talk." One more time: That's why we need a Savior.

By the way, who has proclaimed themselves an expert?

And again, the OP must be disappointed that that the vast majority of responders failed to address the original issue put forth. Christians can walk and chew gum at the same time. The OP's issue has been addressed, as well as some subsequent theological issues. So what? Have you never seen any other Campfire thread stray from its original subject?

As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim.