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That is a very astute and succinct analysis, JoeBob.

The only parts I disagree with is that you state Putin only wanted some territory and that Ukraine cannot defeat Russia.

Putin tried for Kiev early on and would have taken the whole country if he could have.

Regarding the second assertion, I guess it may depend on the definition of “defeat,” but in 1917 Russia’s involvement in WWI sparked the Russian Revolution.

Afghan guerilla fighters repelled the Russians in the 80’s and were one of the factors causing the break up of the Soviet Union.

Only Stalin was able to maintain political stability AND run a costly (both blood and treasure) war, and he did so through an extremely oppressive totalitarian state, which essentially made ongoing efforts in WWII the better alternative. Of course, he also had the Nazis’ butchery and mass executions to help him keep the people in line.

Putin may poison a few adversaries here and there, but he’s no Stalin, and I’m not sure if he could implement such practices today with the internet and social media, etc. To run such state, you need mass censorship and propaganda. I don’t think the Russian people would allow it today.

At the end of the day, Putin launched an invasion that was not clearly necessary from the Russian perspective. As the bodies pile up, his support will erode.

Modern Russia is not the USSR. There are certainly analogies to be made, but it is NOT the USSR. That is something that a surprising number of folks either refuse to acknowledge or don't get.

The sentence I highlighted in red might be correct, but I think a more accurate statement would be "certain powerful members of the U.S. government saw an opportunity to make a lot of dough of the backs of dead Ukes"

Ukraine ain’t Imperial Germany which possessed the best army to ever exist. And Russia wasn’t militarily beaten in Afghanistan. Like us, they just got tired of fcking around and went home.

That’s the point about Ukraine. They won’t ever “just go home”. They consider it an existential war. We are the ones who are just fcking around and who will inevitably as sure as night follows day, provided it doesn’t escalate out of control, just wash our hands and go home.

Sure, we’ll leave a trail of destruction, ruined relations, death, and missed opportunities in our wake, but home we will go and on to the next fck up.

According to the Russian intelligence community, in the past two days, the United States has completed plans for a possible military invasion against Russia.
The relevant documents were handed over to the head of the US European Command and the commander-in-chief of the joint forces of NATO in Europe the day before, and then were distributed among lower-ranking high-ranking officers. The transmitted data differs from the projects of military command exercises conducted in a planned manner.
Experts are especially wary of the sharp rise in the stage of combat readiness of US forces in Europe to the level of DEFCON 2, which implies readiness for the use of nuclear weapons by the enemy and was announced only twice during its existence - during the Caribbean crisis of 1962 and before the start of the operation of US forces in Iraq "Storm in Desert".
As emphasized, even after September 11, DEFCON remained at around 3.
Experts record a significant increase in the presence of the US military satellite constellation over Russian territory over the past month.
Despite statements from the Pentagon Air Force Department about increased risks to US space forces in Europe, electronic intelligence data indicates an almost threefold increase in Pentagon surveillance coverage of military installations and cities in the Russian Federation.
It is noted that the field of interests of the US military command has gone beyond the zones relevant to the Ukrainian conflict, and is currently concentrated on missile defense facilities and strategic missile forces deep inside Russia. In the conclusion of the experts, the concentration of the American naval grouping in the Baltic, near the borders of Russia's territorial waters in the Barents and Black Seas, is emphasized.
In accordance with the DEFCON 2 protocols, all three naval groups were transferred to combat formations. It is assumed that at the moment the US European command is waiting for the transfer of a large group of air strike forces across the Atlantic to the Rhine-Main and Ramstein air bases in Germany.
According to the intelligence community, the plan for a "disarming operation" against Russia received by NATO European officers contains instructions for the first 88 hours of a possible operation, including rocket and air attacks with conventional weapons on special communications centers, anti-nuclear fortifications of the Ministry of Defense, submarine bases, storage of nuclear warheads , air defense and missile defense systems, as well as air support for sabotage groups in the Moscow, Tver and Tula regions.
Despite the anxiety of the information discussed, experts adhere to sound skepticism about the possibility of implementing these plans in practice, pointing to clearly targeted and deliberate violations of the secrecy regime when transmitting instructions via DEFCON 2, as well as to the unusually long operational course of preparing a hypothetical operation - “US command adheres to the concept of rapid deployment, lightning-fast preparation of operations, the duration of which at the initial stage in its largest implementations does not exceed two dozen hours, but definitely not weeks, for which the demonstration-deterrent transfer of forces to the borders of Russia has now stretched.
In this particular case, it is very likely that the window dressing is carried out not even to contain Russia, but to escalate tension among the Anglo-Saxon allies in Europe, who are already directly discussing options for withdrawing from the anti-Russian consensus based on the results of the work of the US Special Operations Forces specialists on the Nord Stream in the Baltic Sea.

Kremlin still at a loss as to where the borders would be concerning the illegally annexed portions of Ukraine.

Vox, BBC

As Ukraine forces close in Russian draftee forces of the whole 127th rifle division begs for help with the coming onslaught.

Forbes, Reuters

First the USA and now NATO sending missile air defense systems to Ukraine.

WSJ, Reuters, BBC

US officials tie themselves closer to Kyiv seeing shades of Cuba.

Politico

57,000 by tonight.

Heh!

It sounds like the Ukrainian SBU used the driver of the truck to unknowingly and involuntarily involve himself in the “suicide” explosion on the bridge. If that’s true and I believe it is then as far as I am concerned that’s a war crime in and of itself. Soldiers mistreating soldiers on the battlefield is one thing, Ukrainian military using hospitals, schools and civilians as cover while they fire from those areas is another thing but using an unknowing civilian truck driver to drive the explosives and then remotely detonating the truck is a despicable war crime and cold blooded murder of their own innocent civilians. I don’t subscribe to war crimes in the same way that the modern media tries to force that narrative. War in general is a crime so when “human rights advocates” are picking flyshit out of pepper and calling everything a war crime I lose interest. This action however has me angered because while innocent civilians die in war in disproportionate numbers the intentional murder of the Ukrainian truck driver by the Ukrainian military is a despicable crime and it is absolutely inexcusable in my mind!

If this is how the Ukrainians expect to win then God have mercy on their black souls, they deserve everything they receive! That is NOT how organized militaries conduct themselves if they desire any semblance of support from civilized nations…unfortunately I’m no longer convinced that we are a civilized society…

The European Union Just last week approved its 8th batch of sanctions against Russia and will be a part of the G7 formulation of a cap being placed on seaborne Russian oil.

Reuters, WSJ

US and UK Evonomist send letters of support for the price cap on Russian seaborne oil to Janet Yellen.

Price caps should be in place late November, early December.


Fortune, WSJ

Don't feed the troll fellas.

She will wither up and die...and have to come up with a new sockpuppet.

He be headin to fish camp where he’ll catch a new screen name

Taiwan Timmy


Guaranteed LOL

How does that work if it can be explained in simple terms? Does it make it unlawful for a signatory country to pay over that price? If a country does get desperate this winter and pays a premium what happens? Can non signatory countries acting as an agent for Russia buy the oil and sell it at market price to a signatory country?