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The new atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have made it crystal clear that their goal is to demolish Christianity. And they don’t try to do it under the false pretense of “sorting fact from fiction” and “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion” like certain atheists and anti-theists here do. Their posts clearly have nothing to do with “sorting fact from fiction” or “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion.” The agenda is clearly the same for those mentioned above, but at least Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are honest about it. You’re spot on and this is why I haven’t engaged the usual suspects in a long, long time.
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If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence.... Yes. That's why believers are so desperate to cling onto this fantasy. While on this topic, where was the sacrifice? Sounds like it worked out for Jesus in the end. Sacrifices usually mean there was a loss to compensate for the gain. Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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The new atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have made it crystal clear that their goal is to demolish Christianity. And they don’t try to do it under the false pretense of “sorting fact from fiction” and “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion” like certain atheists and anti-theists here do. Their posts clearly have nothing to do with “sorting fact from fiction” or “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion.” The agenda is clearly the same for those mentioned above, but at least Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are honest about it. You’re spot on and this is why I haven’t engaged the usual suspects in a long, long time. Weren't the crusades a way of dealing with the persecution complex?
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence.... Yes. That's why believers are so desperate to cling onto this fantasy. While on this topic, where was the sacrifice? Sounds like it worked out for Jesus in the end. Sacrifices usually mean there was a loss to compensate for the gain. Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense. Why do you pick just a portion of my discussion....here is the full context of the post..... --God The Bible... If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence....those who witnessed the resurrection of Christ were all consistent in their testimony of what they claimed to have seen. One of the most basic investigation techniques a criminal detective has, is to ask a witness or suspect the same question over and over. If their testimony is untrue, their inconsistency obviously indicates their attempted deception. But if they are consistent in their testimony – and consistent with hundreds of others who claimed the same events to be true, then their truthfulness becomes obvious. Location? The location where Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world is called Golgotha in Scripture. The book of Luke refers to this place as Calvary in the King James Bible translation (Luke 23:33). In some religious traditions, this reference refers to the location of the skull of Adam. Jesus not only knew beforehand he was to be crucified, he also informed his disciples of this fact (Matthew 26:2). "Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense." ....The soul of Christ was made an offering for sin (Isa. 53:10) – This does not lead credence that He suffered in hell. He was made to be sin and suffering for us on the cross (2 Cor. 5:21).
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If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence.... Yes. That's why believers are so desperate to cling onto this fantasy. While on this topic, where was the sacrifice? Sounds like it worked out for Jesus in the end. Sacrifices usually mean there was a loss to compensate for the gain. Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense. Why do you pick just a portion of my discussion....here is the full context of the post..... --God The Bible... If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence....those who witnessed the resurrection of Christ were all consistent in their testimony of what they claimed to have seen. One of the most basic investigation techniques a criminal detective has, is to ask a witness or suspect the same question over and over. If their testimony is untrue, their inconsistency obviously indicates their attempted deception. But if they are consistent in their testimony – and consistent with hundreds of others who claimed the same events to be true, then their truthfulness becomes obvious. Location? The location where Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world is called Golgotha in Scripture. The book of Luke refers to this place as Calvary in the King James Bible translation (Luke 23:33). In some religious traditions, this reference refers to the location of the skull of Adam. Jesus not only knew beforehand he was to be crucified, he also informed his disciples of this fact (Matthew 26:2). "Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense." ....The soul of Christ was made an offering for sin (Isa. 53:10) – This does not lead credence that He suffered in hell. He was made to be sin and suffering for us on the cross (2 Cor. 5:21). I pick on bits because it is flawed from the start. Building a detailed narrative upon a fallacy is a waste of time. It doesn't make it true just because you wrote a lot of it. It's all flawed. A pellet of rabbit poop is for all intent the same as a shower of hippo explosive diarrhea - it's still just crap. Preaching seems to use this technique without exception.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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when your precious vxine & boosters finally clot up your arteries and you go into cardiac arrest, you will be like all the others, spinning in circles, furiously waving away & clawing at some unseen beings only you will see, something that will stop your heart
Thousands have gone out that way post vax and the numbers are increasing
good luck
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On the religious threads, when participating, the accounts known as Random Facts and Half Byte certainly appear to be algorithmic in nature.
1 not really personal
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5 cycle through the steps again.
Very Bot-like That's something that a bot would type up. No sufficient scientific evidence to indicate, implicate or confirm signs of life. The account identified as Random Data has attained NPC status. Until MY criteria is met for the confirmation of life and humanity this account carries the significance of the vapor trail of a pregnant Holstein cow as it makes its daily trek through the milk lot.
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The new atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have made it crystal clear that their goal is to demolish Christianity. And they don’t try to do it under the false pretense of “sorting fact from fiction” and “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion” like certain atheists and anti-theists here do. Their posts clearly have nothing to do with “sorting fact from fiction” or “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion.” The agenda is clearly the same for those mentioned above, but at least Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are honest about it. You’re spot on and this is why I haven’t engaged the usual suspects in a long, long time. There is an entertainment value in the programming that Random Data and Half Byte have been developed through. The algorithm is designed to be solely focused on the scientific method with no thought or credibility given to the Legal-Hostorical method or any other method necessary to explain the many things in this world that “hard science” can’t prove. Those accounts do seem to be run by a child like mind.
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when your precious vxine & boosters finally clot up your arteries and you go into cardiac arrest, you will be like all the others, spinning in circles, furiously waving away & clawing at some unseen beings only you will see, something that will stop your heart
Thousands have gone out that way post vax and the numbers are increasing
good luck Gosh. How long have I got?
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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On the religious threads, when participating, the accounts known as Random Facts and Half Byte certainly appear to be algorithmic in nature.
1 not really personal
2 a well rehearsed apologetic approach without deviation
3 no actual engagement beyond a one sided push
4 ignore, deflect and redirect
5 cycle through the steps again.
Very Bot-like That's something that a bot would type up. No sufficient scientific evidence to indicate, implicate or confirm signs of life. The account identified as Random Data has attained NPC status. Until MY criteria is met for the confirmation of life and humanity this account carries the significance of the vapor trail of a pregnant Holstein cow as it makes its daily trek through the milk lot. That's surprising really. You believe a whole bunch of other stuff that you have no way of proving
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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On the religious threads, when participating, the accounts known as Random Facts and Half Byte certainly appear to be algorithmic in nature.
1 not really personal
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Very Bot-like That's something that a bot would type up. No sufficient scientific evidence to indicate, implicate or confirm signs of life. The account identified as Random Data has attained NPC status. Until MY criteria is met for the confirmation of life and humanity this account carries the significance of the vapor trail of a pregnant Holstein cow as it makes its daily trek through the milk lot. That's surprising really. You believe a whole bunch of other stuff that you have no way of proving My story my decision my criteria. The owner of this account MUST meet my demands.
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You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies. Nice Christian manner and values you have there, ad homs, insults, intolerance, false accusations, just suppressed for little longer than your mate Ace who has nothing but these things to respond with. Give one example of where you think I lied. You won't and you can't, you can't because it did not happen. It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance tm' who make false accusations in defense of faith. Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion. If you cannot tolerate questioning, don't engage. Believe whatever floats your boat. Simple as that I do have nice Christian manners, and I do call a spade, a spade....and what ad hominems, as you are the one attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument. Here is another one of your lies about me, quote, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." I've never hurled out insults or acted badly, and never discouraged fair and reasonable questioning....again, this is where your twisting vegetable salad comes in to play. This is another lie, quote, "It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance' who make false accusations in defense of faith." Please name one false accusation I've made. I disagree with this statement vehemently, quote, "Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion." I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH? I can and do tolerate questioning and give you my opinion(s)...as said many times, I believe in God the Bible and that is the only Boat I have to float. As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim. ***Originally Posted by Raspy*** >>>You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney<<< ....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies. ***Ok...you are correct, I did say you are an absolute Liar or just a bit looney....and for this I do apologize.*** As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim. I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH? You are hand waving. Backpedaling. Where is the evidence that I have lied? Are you hoping to avoid backing your accusation? Did you not read carefully the above? I did make a public apology to you, DBT.....and I stand firm in my Faith. Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't come across as a genuine apology. You didn't acknowledge that there are no examples of me lying or acting a 'loony,' As for 'there is enough evidence for Christians,' I have to ask, what exactly is this evidence?
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The new atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have made it crystal clear that their goal is to demolish Christianity. And they don’t try to do it under the false pretense of “sorting fact from fiction” and “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion” like certain atheists and anti-theists here do. Their posts clearly have nothing to do with “sorting fact from fiction” or “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion.” The agenda is clearly the same for those mentioned above, but at least Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are honest about it. Atheists, like Christians and other theists, are individuals, some may have agendas, others don't. Most likely the majority of atheists, having little interest in religion, just get on with their lives. I'm not trying to do anything more than sort fact from fiction. If evidence for the existence of a God came to light, whatever the version, I would accept the reality of God.
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If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence.... Yes. That's why believers are so desperate to cling onto this fantasy. While on this topic, where was the sacrifice? Sounds like it worked out for Jesus in the end. Sacrifices usually mean there was a loss to compensate for the gain. Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense. Why do you pick just a portion of my discussion....here is the full context of the post..... --God The Bible... If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence....those who witnessed the resurrection of Christ were all consistent in their testimony of what they claimed to have seen. One of the most basic investigation techniques a criminal detective has, is to ask a witness or suspect the same question over and over. If their testimony is untrue, their inconsistency obviously indicates their attempted deception. But if they are consistent in their testimony – and consistent with hundreds of others who claimed the same events to be true, then their truthfulness becomes obvious. Location? The location where Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world is called Golgotha in Scripture. The book of Luke refers to this place as Calvary in the King James Bible translation (Luke 23:33). In some religious traditions, this reference refers to the location of the skull of Adam. Jesus not only knew beforehand he was to be crucified, he also informed his disciples of this fact (Matthew 26:2). "Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense." ....The soul of Christ was made an offering for sin (Isa. 53:10) – This does not lead credence that He suffered in hell. He was made to be sin and suffering for us on the cross (2 Cor. 5:21). I pick on bits because it is flawed from the start. Building a detailed narrative upon a fallacy is a waste of time. It doesn't make it true just because you wrote a lot of it. It's all flawed. A pellet of rabbit poop is for all intent the same as a shower of hippo explosive diarrhea - it's still just crap. Preaching seems to use this technique without exception. All of this boils down to having faith in God the Bible or not...no matter how much evidence I present, you always tear it down. That is why I always preface my response with "No it is not Mauser Proof", just evidence that may lead one to the truth". Christians do have faith and Atheist do not...it is as simple as that. "A pellet of rabbit poop is for all intent the same as a shower of hippo explosive diarrhea - it's still just crap." Mauser that statement is what pisses people off... I'll give you the last word and leave you with this... Before I could be an atheist, I would have to be able to prove that: 1. Life can come from non-life; 2. Something can come out of nothing; 3. Order can come out of disorder—cosmos can come out of chaos; 4. Chance can produce arrangement; 5. There can be a design without a designer; 6. Like does not produce like; 7. There can be an effect without a cause; 8. Mind can be produced by matter; 9. There is no real purpose in life; 10. There is no hereafter; 11. The Bible is not the word of God; 12. There is no God!
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The new atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have made it crystal clear that their goal is to demolish Christianity. And they don’t try to do it under the false pretense of “sorting fact from fiction” and “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion” like certain atheists and anti-theists here do. Their posts clearly have nothing to do with “sorting fact from fiction” or “fair and reasonable questioning and discussion.” The agenda is clearly the same for those mentioned above, but at least Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are honest about it. Atheists, like Christians and other theists, are individuals, some may have agendas, others don't. Most likely the majority of atheists, having little interest in religion, just get on with their lives. I'm not trying to do anything more than sort fact from fiction. If evidence for the existence of a God came to light, whatever the version, I would accept the reality of God. Nicely said....I think evidence vs proof is where people get confused.... My contention of Proof is the final verdict that removes all doubts, whereas evidence only leads one in the direction of a fact or statement. So I think you need proof, and I like to call that "Mauser Proof"...
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You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies. Nice Christian manner and values you have there, ad homs, insults, intolerance, false accusations, just suppressed for little longer than your mate Ace who has nothing but these things to respond with. Give one example of where you think I lied. You won't and you can't, you can't because it did not happen. It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance tm' who make false accusations in defense of faith. Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion. If you cannot tolerate questioning, don't engage. Believe whatever floats your boat. Simple as that I do have nice Christian manners, and I do call a spade, a spade....and what ad hominems, as you are the one attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument. Here is another one of your lies about me, quote, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." I've never hurled out insults or acted badly, and never discouraged fair and reasonable questioning....again, this is where your twisting vegetable salad comes in to play. This is another lie, quote, "It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance' who make false accusations in defense of faith." Please name one false accusation I've made. I disagree with this statement vehemently, quote, "Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion." I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH? I can and do tolerate questioning and give you my opinion(s)...as said many times, I believe in God the Bible and that is the only Boat I have to float. As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim. ***Originally Posted by Raspy*** >>>You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney<<< ....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies. ***Ok...you are correct, I did say you are an absolute Liar or just a bit looney....and for this I do apologize.*** As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim. I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH? You are hand waving. Backpedaling. Where is the evidence that I have lied? Are you hoping to avoid backing your accusation? Did you not read carefully the above? I did make a public apology to you, DBT.....and I stand firm in my Faith. Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't come across as a genuine apology. You didn't acknowledge that there are no examples of me lying or acting a 'loony,' As for 'there is enough evidence for Christians,' I have to ask, what exactly is this evidence? I genuinely meant the apology... As for exact evidence....we already hashed the heck out of that.....but as I suggested above this post..."Proof is the final verdict that removes all doubts, whereas evidence only leads one in the direction of a fact or statement." Evidence is what I hope is true, I guess that hope of mine, is called faith.
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If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence.... Yes. That's why believers are so desperate to cling onto this fantasy. While on this topic, where was the sacrifice? Sounds like it worked out for Jesus in the end. Sacrifices usually mean there was a loss to compensate for the gain. Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense. Why do you pick just a portion of my discussion....here is the full context of the post..... --God The Bible... If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, then none of his history or teachings have any credence....those who witnessed the resurrection of Christ were all consistent in their testimony of what they claimed to have seen. One of the most basic investigation techniques a criminal detective has, is to ask a witness or suspect the same question over and over. If their testimony is untrue, their inconsistency obviously indicates their attempted deception. But if they are consistent in their testimony – and consistent with hundreds of others who claimed the same events to be true, then their truthfulness becomes obvious. Location? The location where Jesus was crucified and died for the sins of the world is called Golgotha in Scripture. The book of Luke refers to this place as Calvary in the King James Bible translation (Luke 23:33). In some religious traditions, this reference refers to the location of the skull of Adam. Jesus not only knew beforehand he was to be crucified, he also informed his disciples of this fact (Matthew 26:2). "Jesus should be burning in hell for the sacrifice story to make any sense." ....The soul of Christ was made an offering for sin (Isa. 53:10) – This does not lead credence that He suffered in hell. He was made to be sin and suffering for us on the cross (2 Cor. 5:21). I pick on bits because it is flawed from the start. Building a detailed narrative upon a fallacy is a waste of time. It doesn't make it true just because you wrote a lot of it. It's all flawed. A pellet of rabbit poop is for all intent the same as a shower of hippo explosive diarrhea - it's still just crap. Preaching seems to use this technique without exception. All of this boils down to having faith in God the Bible or not...no matter how much evidence I present, you always tear it down. That is why I always preface my response with "No it is not Mauser Proof", just evidence that may lead one to the truth". Christians do have faith and Atheist do not...it is as simple as that. "A pellet of rabbit poop is for all intent the same as a shower of hippo explosive diarrhea - it's still just crap." Mauser that statement is what pisses people off... I'll give you the last word and leave you with this... Before I could be an atheist, I would have to be able to prove that: 1. Life can come from non-life; 2. Something can come out of nothing; 3. Order can come out of disorder—cosmos can come out of chaos; 4. Chance can produce arrangement; 5. There can be a design without a designer; 6. Like does not produce like; 7. There can be an effect without a cause; 8. Mind can be produced by matter; 9. There is no real purpose in life; 10. There is no hereafter; 11. The Bible is not the word of God; 12. There is no God! C'mon man. You personally need proof to be an atheist but none to believe in your god? I think the fumes from the ink in your bible is getting to you. You got some crazy-ass thinking going on there. Faith gives you special concession to depart from any burden of proof that you apply routinely to the rest of reality.
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You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies. Nice Christian manner and values you have there, ad homs, insults, intolerance, false accusations, just suppressed for little longer than your mate Ace who has nothing but these things to respond with. Give one example of where you think I lied. You won't and you can't, you can't because it did not happen. It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance tm' who make false accusations in defense of faith. Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion. If you cannot tolerate questioning, don't engage. Believe whatever floats your boat. Simple as that I do have nice Christian manners, and I do call a spade, a spade....and what ad hominems, as you are the one attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument. Here is another one of your lies about me, quote, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." I've never hurled out insults or acted badly, and never discouraged fair and reasonable questioning....again, this is where your twisting vegetable salad comes in to play. This is another lie, quote, "It is you and your buddies, those with 'true Christian tolerance' who make false accusations in defense of faith." Please name one false accusation I've made. I disagree with this statement vehemently, quote, "Plus the very essence of questioning is not accepting beliefs or assumptions on face value, to examine what we read or told with a critical eye. Apply a bit of healthy skepticism, just as you do with the teachings of any other religion." I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH? I can and do tolerate questioning and give you my opinion(s)...as said many times, I believe in God the Bible and that is the only Boat I have to float. As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim. ***Originally Posted by Raspy*** >>>You know, I now believe you are an absolute liar or just a bit looney<<< ....regarding this quote from you, "The question you should be asking yourself it why you get defensive to the point of lashing out, hurling insults, acting badly, in order to discourage fair and reasonable questioning." DBT, that is an absolute lie.... this quote from you kills me, "If something is in fact shown to be true, it's beyond question." I must have stated to you and Mauser, that Christians do not have ABSOLUTE PROOF, there is a lot of evidence but NO SOLID PROOF......oh and this quote is laughable, "Examine your own feelings, understand why you feel threatened." I, and I am sure others, absolutely do not feel THREATENED....me, I honestly feel frustrated and very sad for you two Aussies. ***Ok...you are correct, I did say you are an absolute Liar or just a bit looney....and for this I do apologize.*** As for what is written in the bible being evidence for the truth of its stories, that is not evidence by any stretch of the imagination regardless of what you claim. I keep stating that myself and other Christians have seen/read the many scriptures in God the Bible, that is enough EVIDENCE for myself and other Christians.... and AGAIN, NO PROOF...isn't that called Christian FAITH? You are hand waving. Backpedaling. Where is the evidence that I have lied? Are you hoping to avoid backing your accusation? Did you not read carefully the above? I did make a public apology to you, DBT.....and I stand firm in my Faith. Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't come across as a genuine apology. You didn't acknowledge that there are no examples of me lying or acting a 'loony,' As for 'there is enough evidence for Christians,' I have to ask, what exactly is this evidence? I genuinely meant the apology... Which is an acknowledgement that I did not lie. That your accusation was false. As for exact evidence....we already hashed the heck out of that.....but as I suggested above this post..."Proof is the final verdict that removes all doubts, whereas evidence only leads one in the direction of a fact or statement." Evidence is what I hope is true, I guess that hope of mine, is called faith. Evidence is not defined as being "what I hope is true." The very notion of hope being used as evidence is absurd. What is hoped to be true and believed to be true on that basis is faith, not evidence. With actual evidence there is no need for faith.
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If “proof” is so important and science is your religion…facts are necessary and evidence is required……why did Tweedle Dumb Ass and Tweedle Dipshit get vaccinated? Why did you suspend your rigorous requirements and why did you ignore the facts and evidence? It was obvious to anyone with 2 or more brain cells that the entire approach to the fake pandemic was a joke. The “jab” didn’t prevent transmission nor did it didn’t prevent infection yet idiots far and wide ignored the facts and evidence and fought to be first in line for the largest voluntary human experiment in history. 😂
If you were “vaxxed” and boosted and you try to use facts and evidence and scientific-y stuff to hide behind you’re an egotistical dumb ass. 😂
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