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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. It may be ugly, but 33 Stingers ain't no joke... I have a stash of those and some other high velocity stuff.
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. I’m a Cooper fan and a 1911 fan. He wasn’t wrong but was a product of a different era IMO. Were he around today and 35 years old. I suspect that he’d be an advocate of polymer striker fired 9’s. Probably.
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Phil Shoemaker shot and killed a bear with a 9mm that was attacking his clients.
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Thugs getting shot with 45 ball nose survive all the time.
I use 147gr +P+ 9mm
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No!
Can a toolbox fix a car?
No!
A person can use an object available to defend themself.
A 9mm might be a good object to have on hand for such use.
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It’s not the gun so much as the shooter that matters.
I think the 9mm is a pussy cartridge. 😁 Haha! Maybe....but you wouldn't stand in front of Jerry M if he was armed with one! No way in hell I'd stand in front of Jerry if he had a cap gun!
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. A friend says 40 is a minimum, calls a 9mm a cupcake round.
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Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. I’m a Cooper fan and a 1911 fan. He wasn’t wrong but was a product of a different era IMO. Were he around today and 35 years old. I suspect that he’d be an advocate of polymer striker fired 9’s. Probably. I know that you’re a big collector/gun guy. If you haven’t already checked out the Sig Macro look at one when you get a chance. I’ve commented on it in the handgun forum and really like it. I think you’ll like it too.
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some models hold a lot of ammo. Brother….you are slowly morphing into Wabigoon lol
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Phil Shoemaker shot and killed a bear with a 9mm that was attacking his clients. Yep. Wouldn’t be my first choice. But ole Phil is a LOT MORE Experienced than the rest of us. I’d damn sure never doubt anything he says he’s done.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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some models hold a lot of ammo. Brother….you are slowly morphing into Wabigoon lol go aggervate somebody else
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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I’ve never liked .40 S&W. It’s always seemed like neither fish or fowl to me. 9x19mm and 45 ACP both have a ton of history behind them. The .40 was a watered down 10mm FBI special with no history that just sort of split the difference. Obviously there’s nothing wrong with it. I’ve just never really liked it.
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I for one am not a fan of the 9mm. It has nothing to do with the round however, and more to do with what I grew up on. I grew up on the 38spcl & 357mag. Later I went to the 40cal (which some people also have no love for) as a LEO with a 380 in my boot. I just don't own a 9mm gun and have no place for one.
However, the 9mm has a history of getting the job done when used by a trained shooter.
"there are entire graveyards full of bad dudes who have been killed by 9mm, and that every argument to get “more stopping power than a 9mm” had nothing to do with the 9mm’s terminal performance. But it’s easier to buy new cartridges than teach people to shoot better"
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. I’m a Cooper fan and a 1911 fan. He wasn’t wrong but was a product of a different era IMO. Were he around today and 35 years old. I suspect that he’d be an advocate of polymer striker fired 9’s. Probably. I know that you’re a big collector/gun guy. If you haven’t already checked out the Sig Macro look at one when you get a chance. I’ve commented on it in the handgun forum and really like it. I think you’ll like it too. I just can’t see buying a comped gun for a carry pistol. Might be fine for plinking. Buy a standard Sig P365 and never look back. It’s very reliable with everything I’ve tried in it. And damn accurate too for a small 9mm. Best “small” carry pistol I’ve ever purchased.
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Long live the 38 Super and 9x23
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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. It may be ugly, but 33 Stingers ain't no joke... I have a stash of those and some other high velocity stuff. CCI Singers are what I carry in my little Ruger LCP II in .22 lr, when it’s in my pocket.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. It may be ugly, but 33 Stingers ain't no joke... I have a stash of those and some other high velocity stuff. Sam; Good evening my friend, I hope the week behaved well enough for you all. While I'm cognizant coyotes and people are two different things, I have hit coyotes with a 165gr BT out of a .308 Norma and had them just shift gears and leave - for a wee bit. Anyways Sam, CCI Velocitor is the "house load" here for coyotes now. I want to say I'm at 6 now with one shot stops and usually stop and drop with Velocitors. Edit to add - that's out of a rifle to be clear. We Stingered at least one and another one caught a Yellow Jacket, but both of them are better gopher/pigeon/rat bullets as they don't penetrate quite enough. Now as to whether or not the Velocitor gets up to enough speed in a short barrel Sam, that I cannot say, but we did chronograph Stingers from a 5" pistol and while I can't recall the speed, it wasn't as fast as out of a rifle - I think.... The other "yard load" here is a .357 Mag carbine that puts 158gr out at 1700fps, but it's not been fired in anger into anything - yet. All the best and back to the regular 9mm topic now Sam. Dwayne
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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. It may be ugly, but 33 Stingers ain't no joke... I’m sure they work well just like my KelTec .22 mag pistol. But that’s got to be the ugliest pistol KelTec has made so far. By a long shot. 😬
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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I distinctly remember reading the famous Cooper quote when he was asked about the 9x19 on a 1911 frame he said" You would be better off to save your money to have your testosterone level checked". Ol Mike it will work fine for you but you need to distract them first by asking if they want chips N dip.... mb
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