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Long live the 38 Super and 9x23 .357 Sig round does about the same as a .38 super. I’ve got two Glocks in that caliber. It works well on feral hogs. Wish some MFG would chamber a 1911 in that caliber. Springfield Armory claimed they were going to chamber their EMP 1911in .357 Sig. But they never did.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. I’m a Cooper fan and a 1911 fan. He wasn’t wrong but was a product of a different era IMO. Were he around today and 35 years old. I suspect that he’d be an advocate of polymer striker fired 9’s. Probably. I know that you’re a big collector/gun guy. If you haven’t already checked out the Sig Macro look at one when you get a chance. I’ve commented on it in the handgun forum and really like it. I think you’ll like it too. I just can’t see buying a comped gun for a carry pistol. Might be fine for plinking. Buy a standard Sig P365 and never look back. It’s very reliable with everything I’ve tried in it. And damn accurate too for a small 9mm. Best “small” carry pistol I’ve ever purchased. I don’t disagree. I’d prefer it without the comp. It isn’t noticeably louder to my ear but I haven’t really noticed much of a recoil reduction either. I’d like it better with either a full length barrel or shortened without the comp. What I really like about it is how compact and concealable it is while fitting my 2x hands and being easy to shoot with a full a capacity Glock 17 size mag in a slimmer gun. Sigs have obviously never been known for their low bore axis but the 365 grip IMO guides the hand into a high hold better than anything I’ve handled.
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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. Dimocraps would laugh at you, until a hole appeard in their throat or heart or between the eyes.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. It may be ugly, but 33 Stingers ain't no joke... I have a stash of those and some other high velocity stuff. CCI Singers are what I carry in my little Ruger LCP II in .22 lr, when it’s in my pocket. Surprisingly decent velocity out of 3” barrels... http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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C and Dwayne, I also ordered some Federal Punch, they are supposed to get 1070fps out of a 2" barrel and 1650fps out of a 24".
Just screwing around trying something new I guess.
If I was actually worried about being attacked by gangsters I'd have something more potent.
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. I’m a Cooper fan and a 1911 fan. He wasn’t wrong but was a product of a different era IMO. Were he around today and 35 years old. I suspect that he’d be an advocate of polymer striker fired 9’s. Probably. I know that you’re a big collector/gun guy. If you haven’t already checked out the Sig Macro look at one when you get a chance. I’ve commented on it in the handgun forum and really like it. I think you’ll like it too. I just can’t see buying a comped gun for a carry pistol. Might be fine for plinking. Buy a standard Sig P365 and never look back. It’s very reliable with everything I’ve tried in it. And damn accurate too for a small 9mm. Best “small” carry pistol I’ve ever purchased. I don’t disagree. I’d prefer it without the comp. It isn’t noticeably louder to my ear but I haven’t really noticed much of a recoil reduction either. I’d like it better with either a full length barrel or shortened without the comp. What I really like about it is how compact and concealable it is while fitting my 2x hands and being easy to shoot with a full a capacity Glock 17 mag in a much slimmer gun. Sigs have obviously never been known for their low bore axis but the 365 grip IMO guides the hand into a high hold better than anything I’ve handled. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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C and Dwayne, I also ordered some Federal Punch, they are supposed to get 1070fps out of a 2" barrel and 1650fps out of a 24".
Just screwing around trying something new I guess.
If I was actually worried about being attacked by gangsters I'd have something more potent. Sam; Thanks for the reply my friend. Huzzah for "just screwing around trying something new" Sam! May it ever be thus, say I! When I get tired or too old to do that, well it'll be a dark day for this BC redneck anyways Sam. We see bugger all for Federal .22 ammo up here, but I shall now look for that Federal Punch to fool with my own self. Best to you all again Sam. Dwayne
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C and Dwayne, I also ordered some Federal Punch, they are supposed to get 1070fps out of a 2" barrel and 1650fps out of a 24".
Just screwing around trying something new I guess.
If I was actually worried about being attacked by gangsters I'd have something more potent. Figured you were thinking about letting your wife carry it. I figured you’d carry your P365. Or your Titanium pocket Rocket in 357 magnum. If she thinks the new revolver is too big to carry in her purse, you might consider the Ruger LCP II for her. Mine has worked flawlessly. Not much recoil either.
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I've been wondering about the 22LR as threat reducer. It may be ugly, but 33 Stingers ain't no joke... I have a stash of those and some other high velocity stuff. CCI Singers are what I carry in my little Ruger LCP II in .22 lr, when it’s in my pocket. Surprisingly decent velocity out of 3” barrels... http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.htmlYep. I sure wouldn’t want to get shot with them.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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Can a 9mm defend against an attacker???? ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/OVxp5sY.png) I'd rather have one in my hand than my pecker! ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/M4wvkRK.png) ya! GWB
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10-4 gentlemen, I might shoot a few of the Punch tomorrow, now we better get back to the regular scheduled program!
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G, you murdered those beasts! Only thing I've shot with mine are targets. They look scary though...lol ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e78/montanasam/20220918_113331.jpg)
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These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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Combination of ammo type and shooter. Some, even say the 9 mm, will kill a Kodiak bear.
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My Sig 322 is very easy to shoot well and it keeps on shooting and shooting before you need a mag change. With a can on the frt it would be even more awesome. mb
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
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G, you murdered those beasts! I'll drink to that! ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/wH3teQ2.png) every chance I get! ya! GWB
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I have killed several sheep and a couple cows with one. Sheep and cows no doubt. But he was asking about “attackers” which are a whole nother kettle of fish. I stand by my response.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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But if you use it for bear hunting, I say good luck, it was nice knowing you.
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I worry far more about my wife being attacked while out and about with the kids, whether that's in a population center or in the woods. Since she likes and will shoot a moderately loaded 9, which kicks Hell out of anything smaller like a 380, I like the 9. A lot. I even carry one sometimes. Can you imagine an average guy carrying the same lung-blowing, Brownie-slaughtering cartridges that the uber-bad-asses in LE carry? It's a great country.
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Depends on what ammo you shoot them with. FMJ will slow them down after a few shots but hollowpoints should do a better job.  I own a 45,40 and a 9mm and they will all do the job with the right ammo.
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