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Seems to be the case proven time and time again.

Are being a word twister again? I did not say faith is no way to sort fact from fiction....I've always said that faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

So Atheistic of you two...borrowed from others..."Your purpose is to agitate, aggravate, and disrupt." I heard you two are part of a paid cult from Aussieland for the exact purpose as stated above.

Nah, Aces is saying....

Wrong again....as was stated before...."You denigrate our Bible, you disrespect our God and you show your asses time and again yet you expect kindness in return?"

What you call 'disruptive' is just a matter of reasonably questioning our beliefs and assumptions, namely, healthy skepticism.

Something that you should be doing for yourself....and in fact do when it comes to other faiths, where you don't accept the teachings of Islam, Hinduism, etc, without question.

Yet you get your knickers in a twist and act like an Obnoxious Twat when your own faith comes under the same scrutiny you apply to others.

If you have the truth, you should welcome questioning and skepticism, because the truth will stand on its own merit.

You lash out mindlessly, viciously because deep down you understand that religion is built upon the shaky foundation of faith.


"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits." ~ Dan Barker

"Faith is like a piece of blank paper whereon you may write as well one miracle as another." ~ Charles Blount (1654-1693)

Open inquiry and questioning is not denigration. It's something that everyone should be doing as a matter of routine.

You respond with anger and resentment because you feel threatened, when, in the spirit of truth, you should be welcoming questioning, not driving it away.

If you have the truth, it should stand on it's own merit. If the claims made in the bible are true, questioning cannot alter or harm that truth.

Jesus made it clear in Mark’s Gospel that the time had come…the Jews had been waiting and looking…for what was about to happen. Everything in their religion pointed to this moment in time. Everything before was a hint, a preparation, a foreshadowing of the Kingdom of God that was at hand; no longer a future event, no longer something to hope for and look for. The future was now, it was being fulfilled.

This was a kingdom of the heart and of the conscience, and was informed by the teachings of a King who came to change the order of practically everything. The Kingdom of God that Jesus was introducing was completely different from the one the Jews had known all their lives; a kingdom where loving God and loving others…‘not’ following a buncha rules and regulations and commandments…was the ultimate priority.

And it included the death of a King who came to give His life for His subjects instead of requiring His subjects to give their lives for Him. Jesus’ arrival was the beginning of a brand new age; the old was being retired because something brand new and better had come. And it would lead to the establishment of a New Covenant between God and all of humanity…not just for the Jews as the old covenant had been.

Jesus said to repent and believe this good news, but repent in this case didn’t mean to turn away from sin; Jesus’ point was for the Jews to change their way of thinking, to change their worldview and turn in a different direction, to turn in the direction of a brand new kind of kingdom with a brand new kind of King.

He was inviting them to participate in it while making it clear that until they changed their mind and changed their worldview…and embraced it…they were gonna miss it. They had to embrace this brand new way of viewing the world and themselves, and they especially had to embrace this brand new way of understanding and experiencing God’s presence.

Jesus made it clear in Mark’s Gospel that His arrival was good news ~ and while there are different versions and approaches to Christianity ~ if one’s version of Christianity isn’t good news, then maybe one doesn’t have this version. If one’s version of Christianity isn’t good news, if one left it a long time ago, or recently ~ if it was that easy to leave and walk away from, if it was that easy to stop believing ~ then maybe one doesn’t have this version, the original version.

The problem with you 2 is that you do not have an honest open inquiry and honest questioning..I respond with frustration toward you 2....How many times does one have to tell you that we do not have proof of the TRUTH, only that there is much EVIDENCE in God the Bible that strengthens our Faith in the HOPE for things PROMISED and UNSEEN.

How do you know that this is true? By reason? How do you know that reason is a valid foundation for truth? By reason?

The "evidence" that we have points towards truths and none of it to any god. Much "evidence of god" has turned out to be explained by natural means, not magic. The gods are evaporating.

I emphatically disagree...and as you say, bafflegab, and what proof do you have to back up your statement?

There is more archaeological evidence for Jesus’ existence than for virtually any other figure from ancient history. There’s an abundance of corroborating archaeological evidence; a great amount of the people, cities, places, etc. of Jesus’ life and ministry are established in the archaeological record. But when it comes to Jesus specifically, the best evidence we have is God the Bible and hopefully the evidence that we have will point towards the truth.

Jesus likely did exist. All the extraordinary stuff around his life, not so much - no evidence of that stuff for some reason. Over the centuries Jesus turned white and became caucasian, and no-one batted an eyelid. There are even arguements going on currently about whether he was god or not.

More evidence and less arguements over the existance of Spiderman.

You believe what you believe, and I'll believe what I believe......your last sentence is what pi$$es Christians on the Fire off, and I'm sure you cannot help yourself....you love triggering folks like me, Aces, IZH27, CCCC, There_Ya_Go, just to name a few...I think that is why you keep coming back as you really enjoy harassing, incensing, and infuriating us.

But, to help you to understand, not only is the Bible we have today a reliable rendering of the ancient writings as evidence; it is by far the best documented collection of ancient texts in existence! I know you will not do it, but I would like to suggest you go to a good Bible or Bible dictionary and look up such topics as “Text of the Old Testament,” “Text of the New Testament” or “English Bible” versions.

By the way, there are many excellent modern versions of the Bible out there. The newer versions that the Gideon's distribute are well grounded in the ancient texts of Scripture.

Antlers, above has good info too....

The majority of the world don't share your faith though - deal with it.

Deal with it..

10. Cao Dai (4.4 Million Followers)
9. Muism/Sinism/Shingyo (10 Million Followers)
8. Daoism (12 Million Followers)
7. Judaism (14 Million Followers)
6. Sikhism (25 Million Followers)
5. Shintoism (104 Million Followers)
4. Buddhism (500 Million Followers)
3. Hinduism (1.1 Billion Followers)
2. Islam (1.8 Billion Followers)
1. Christianity (2.3 Billion Followers)

Your complaint has no merit. I have supported everything that I have said. In return, it is your mob that responded with outrage, insults, vitriol, intolerance and hate.

The simple truth is, you have no interest in open inquiry and everything you say and do is motivated to discourage it. Including what you said here.

It's based on the nature of faith as a belief held without sufficient evidence....and proven by the countless contradictory beliefs and teachings that are based on faith, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc, all with their own divisions.

This is not evidence that faith is a reliable means of sorting fact from fiction or a means of discovery of the nature of the world, just the opposite. Each religion or theology clinging to their own faith while discouraging dissent and driving away questioning.

Just like you and your mob do here.

Wrong...I am not complaining....just stating my point of view...I take your response as a borderline lie...You flame the fires for responses as such....quit denigrating God the Bible and we can have healthy conversations, but no, that is what paid atheist do.


For the 50th time, I state only that there is much EVIDENCE in God the Bible that strengthens our Faith in the HOPE for things PROMISED and UNSEEN.

Well then, deny your claims...Danny boy said, "Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits."

Countless times, we've stated that there is more archaeological evidence for Jesus’ existence than for virtually any other figure from ancient history. There’s an abundance of corroborating archaeological evidence; a great amount of the people, cities, places, etc. of Jesus’ life and ministry are established in the archaeological record. But when it comes to Jesus specifically, the best evidence we have is from God the Bible.

Of course will object here, and your ilk will ALWAYS deny that God the Bible can never be used as evidence of Jesus.