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No you are not just pointing out....you denigrate the Christian belief.

Some were sceptical. Yet scepticism or atheism was not on the same scale as in current times. Most people believed in the supernatural, seeing signs and wonders, building temples to their gods. Unlike you, many even believed that the gods of other tribes were real.

You of course are a sceptic in relation to all other religions and gods, except your own.

Hitler was an atheist....He was not a devout Catholic. He was a cynical neo darwinist atheist who banned Christianity after using state of the art technology to efficiently kill thousands of Catholic priests and the head of the Lutheran Church. The first quote regarding the scourging was taken from Mien Kampf, Hitler's propoganda attempt to seduce a nominally Christian country to Naziism. That was written at a time when people were starving in the streets of Germany and looking to channel their desperation and anger. The second quote to Engel was never uttered. Taken from Engel's supposed diaries, Engel admitted later his book was a hoax. The Nazis began as the Thule society, a collection of atheists, neo pagans and satanists. Satanism was very prominent in the SS culture. The Allies considered prosecuting the Nazis for Christian persecution after the War, but decided it would be duplicating their efforts, since they already had prosecutions going for the Holocaust. Germany never did fully return to faith.

And there are many more.....

What part...you prove you are correct.

History itself has clearly proven that regimes founded on atheism have killed over a hundred million people in countries like China and the Soviet Union. And again, history itself has clearly proven that atheistic regimes have killed more people in the twentieth century alone than all of the combined religions in the world have killed in all of known history.

Many who’ve professed to be adherents of Christianity throughout its history certainly don’t have a stellar track record; much evil has taken place by evil men and evil power structures within the umbrella of ‘Christianity.’ But overall…as awful as it was…it absolutely pales in comparison to the abuse, torment, oppression, torture, slavery, death, and genocide perpetrated by atheistic regimes.

The endurable, unassailable, and defensible version of Christianity…which was the original version…is not incompatible with reason and science. At all.

Just pointing out that Christianity has some things that it should be ashamed of. Being that scared of your god to accept his immoral actions is a damn shame.

How about these bits:


1. God destroys a good family 'for no reason.'

God made a bet with Satan that Job, a good and blameless man, would remain faithful even if he killed his children and ruined his life. Here we see God indicting himself for the crime, openly confessing that he destroyed a family "for no reason."

"The Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, a blameless and upright man who fears God and turns away from evil. He still persists in his integrity, although you incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.' " (Job 2:3 New Revised Standard Bible)

2. God destroys the fetuses of those who do not worship him.

This is not the only feticidal passage in the bible, but it is the worst:

"You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." (Hosea 13:4, 9, 16 New International Version)

3. God approves the massacre of a peaceful people so one of his tribes could have a place to live.

Most believers think God destroyed the Canaanites because they were depraved and immoral, although the bible does not make that claim. They were killed — and labeled "evil" and "wicked" — simply because they did not worship him. Here is a group of people who did nothing wrong. They were "at peace and secure," but they had to be eliminated.

"And in those days the tribe of the Danites was seeking a place of their own where they might settle, because they had not yet come into an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. . . . Then they said to [the priest], 'Please inquire of God to learn whether our journey will be successful.' The priest answered them, 'Go in peace. Your journey has the Lord's approval.' . . . Then they took what Micah had made, and his priest, and went on to Laish, against a people at peace and secure. They attacked them with the sword and burned down their city. . . . The Danites rebuilt the city and settled there." (Judges 18:1–28 NIV)

The Canaanites were not the evildoers. The Israelites were the invaders!

4. Babies are slaughtered and wives raped.God - The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction by Dan Barker

The murderous Old Testament deity deemed human life to be worthless, placing his own megalomaniacal glory above human values. Here is one of the worst examples:

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

5. A mixed-race couple is murdered by a godly priest to keep God's people pure.
The righteous priest Phinehas murdered a loving couple for the crime of miscegenation. Then he was praised by God and rewarded for the hate crime with a perpetual priesthood for keeping the nation racially pure.

"Just then one of the Israelites came and brought a Midianite woman into his family, in the sight of Moses and in the sight of the whole congregation of the Israelites. When Phinehas, son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he got up and left the congregation. Taking a spear in his hand, he went after the Israelite man into the tent, and pierced the two of them, the Israelite and the woman, through the belly. So the plague was stopped among the people of Israel. The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 'Phinehas, son of Eleazar, son of Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the Israelites by manifesting such zeal among them on my behalf that in my jealousy I did not consume the Israelites. Therefore say, "I hereby grant him my covenant of peace. It shall be for him and for his descendants after him a covenant of perpetual priesthood, because he was zealous for his God, and made atonement for the Israelites.' '" (Numbers 25:6–13 NRSV)

6. A daughter is burned as an acceptable sacrifice to God.

General Jephthah made a vow with God in order to defeat the enemy. When Jephthah won the war, God received his hundred pounds of flesh.

"And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: 'If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.' . . . When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! . . . After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed." (Judges 11:30–39 NIV)

After burning his daughter, Jephthah was rewarded with a prestigious judgeship and was later buried with honor.

7. The cannibalistic God makes people eat human flesh.

There are nine passages in the Old Testament where God makes cannibalistic threats. Here is the worst one:

"And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." (Leviticus 26:27–29 King James Version)

8. God threatens rape, then takes credit for it.

This passage was new to me, and it blew me away. I guess I had only read it before in the King James Version, where the sexual molestation is not obvious. Here it is in the NRSV, where the Israelites were asking why they were being attacked by the Babylonians:
"Hear and give ear; do not be haughty, for the Lord has spoken. . . . And if you say in your heart, 'Why have these things come upon me?' it is for the greatness of your iniquity that your skirts are lifted up, and you are violated . . . because you have forgotten me and trusted in lies. I myself will lift up your skirts over your face, and your shame will be seen." (Jeremiah 13:15–26 NRSV)

"Skirts lifted up" is sexual assault. "Violate" is rape. The King James Version has the quaint "heels made bare," which obscures the sexual assault.

Notice that the "iniquity" for which they were being raped was not immorality or depravity; it was simply because "you have forgotten me."

9. God threatens sexual molestation.

The Lord will harass attractive uppity women by exposing their private parts.
"Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts." (Isaiah 3:16–17 KJV)

The New International Version covers up this embarrassing passage with "make their scalps bald" in place of "discover their secret parts [Hebrew: poth = vagina]." Other translations are more honest: The Orthodox Jewish Bible has "lay bare their nakedness," Amplified Bible "stripped naked," Complete Jewish Bible "expose their private parts," Common English Version "uncover their private parts," and Living Bible "expose their nakedness for all to see." Even if "daughters of Zion" is a metaphor for Israel, it is a metaphor of sexual assault.

10. God wants you to be happy to dash babies against the rocks.

I have always thought this was the worst verse in the bible, and my opinion remains unchanged.

"O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!"(Psalm 137:8–9 NRSV)

God was not merely saying that regrettable collateral damage might occur during wartime. He said believers should be happy — some translations say "blessed" — to kill innocent babies of those who are keeping you from worshipping your own god.

It's one thing to believe in God, then disprove it by way of elaboration. Christianity has been an unparalleled philosophy in the freeing and ennobling of the human soul. Prosperity, liberty, and justice have peaked under its influence. The great sins under banners of religion shouldn't, but do, sully that legacy. Nationalist struggles under religious pretense still rage today. Bibles written and translated by men, reworked and reworded to guide believers in a preferred direction, but taken to be divine, can't stand up to science and the intelligence of Earth's foremost ape. That pointless conflict led to weakened faith and the unfortunate abandonment of Christian principles, something science could never touch or can ever eradicate. People choose. Living by Christian principles is distinct from practicing its varied and so very conflicted forms, or denominations. People choose substance or elaboration instead.

You don't need to disprove that which has no evidence of existence. The absence of evidence justifies a lack of conviction.

You are just repeating your claim without supporting what you say.

China does not kill people on behalf of atheism. The soviet union does not kill people on behalf of atheism....they have the Russian Orthodox Church. It's members are not killed.

You are equivocating.

Hitler did not kill on behalf of atheism. Atheism was not the motivator.

In a 1922 speech, Hitler said:

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who — God's truth! — was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man, I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord, at last, rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

"...And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian, I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people, I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week, they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them. If I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today these poor people are plundered and exploited."
Nazis and Atheism

The NSDAP Party Program stated:

“We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession.”

Positive Christianity adhered to basic orthodox doctrines and asserted that Christianity must make a practical, positive difference in people’s lives. It's difficult to maintain that Nazi ideology was atheistic when it explicitly endorsed and promoted Christianity in the party platform.

Communism and traditional socialism were both hated and oppressed by the Nazi party — which argued that, as atheistic and Jewish ideologies, they threatened the future of both German and Christian civilization. In this, most Christians in Germany and elsewhere agreed, and this explains much of the Nazis' popular support.''

https://www.learnreligions.com/hitler-was-an-atheist-250215

Jesus said to His disciples that He was gonna start a movement and death itself wouldn’t stop it. And here we are 2000 years later, there are people on every continent and just about every country who celebrate the life and death and resurrection of Jesus.

All over the world there are people in nations that we can’t even name speaking languages that we don’t even know who are celebrating the life and death and resurrection of a Jewish day laborer from a meaningless part of Judea that nobody placed any importance on.

There were other wannabe Messiahs and we can’t name a single one of em’. None of us are likely to have books written about us after we’re gone. But there is so much written about this one person.

And within a few days after Jesus’ resurrection, the very same men who scattered in fear…just a few days later, not a few years, not 50 years, and not after all of the eyewitnesses had died, but just a few days later…these same men who had hid and were afraid for their lives went into the streets of Jerusalem and proclaimed Jesus as Savior. And they were within walking distance of where Jesus’ trial had taken place, they were within walking distance of the crucifixion site, and they were within walking distance of Jesus’ tomb.

And the book of Acts says that within weeks after the resurrection that a great many people within the city of Jerusalem had embraced Jesus as Messiah. And the reason His movement is still goin’ strong 2000 years later is because eyewitnesses to His resurrection went and proclaimed that and the Gospel.

And the reason His previously cowardly followers boldly re-engaged with the movement and the message of Jesus, was not because of Judaism or the Law of Moses…or anything else…it was because they saw their resurrected Savior.

There's a few more other gems worth mentioning:


1. God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something?

2. You can kill a woman if she seizes a man's private parts without his permission: Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

3. Perversity and human trafficking condoned: "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

4. Sex slavery condoned: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

5. Divorce akin to debauchery: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)

6. Cannibalism: "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)

7. If your genitals have been damaged, stay out of church: "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)

8. Incest and getting drunk with dad is no problem if the world is running thin on suitable DNA donors: And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

9. Looking at a woman with desire is akin to adultery: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

10. But incestuous rape is cool: And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly. [II Kings 13:8-12] But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her. [II Kings 13:14]

11. Pray in private, and if you do so in church, do so quietly: Matt 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others."

12. If you offend God he will kill you: "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." (Genesis 38:7-10)

13. God smites women, children and often animals with equal gusto, he seems to equal evil and wrong doing by association, rather than by being guilty of the personal, individual act: "Behold with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day." (II Chronicles 21:14-15)

14. Rev 21: 8 "liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Eternal damnation for lying? In South Africa murderers and rapists often get released for good behaviur, lying is politics.

Was it Jesus who said it, or was it written after the movement had gained momentum? As far as I know, we have nothing that was written by Jesus....that everything we do have was written many decades after Jesus and embellished in order to build a new religion.

Look at what happened with Mohammad and Islam. From the fevered mind of a goat herder to a world wide faith.

Bibles namely the New Testament have been jacked with by those with an agenda. The only problem I see with the Old Testament is that the historical parts are short on details.

We witnessed pure evil reappear in 2020 and it was quickly embraced in a former slave colony like facist Australia by the anti science ignorant pro totalitarian mouth breathers 2mmmauser

Yet he’s a freedom luvin anti Christian bigot!

Main stream Christians now embrace open borders queerness pedohilia and diversity and deadly global warming no wonder our country is dying

World renowned New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman disagrees with your assertion. He’s proficient in Greek and Aramaic and he has personally read thousands and thousands of historical New Testament texts…in the original languages…and he concludes that we can have a high degree of confidence that we can reconstruct the original text of the New Testament, the text that is in the Bibles that we use today, because of the abundance of textual evidence we have to compare. He says that any variations are largely minor and don’t obscure our ability to construct an accurate original text. And he’s not only an expert in biblical textual criticism, he’s also an atheist.

The one with an agenda is you. Clearly.

I don't have an agenda. I've just noticed that there were writings attached as scripture that don't jive with Jesus' teachings. I'll agree with Dr. Ehrman that we have a pretty good account of the original texts. The problem for me is who wrote the addendums to the gospels, what was their agenda, and why do they add to or contravene Jesus' teachings.

I would like to ask your opinion. Could a person who only had access to the Old Testament and the 4 gospels learn enough to achieve salvation? What if all he had was the OT and the book of Matthew? I'm not asking you to state with certainty if you don't know for certain. Just your opinion.

Hastings.

Since you don’t believe that Jesus is divine what about him do you trust that makes him your lord?


If he isn’t divine how is he your savior?