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I don’t know how to post links but if anyone wants to listen to black bear vs 10mm attack straight from the horses mouth look up Nada Grande Outdoors season 2 episode 6 called Bear necessities. Bridger Petrini’s story in his own words and voice. Pretty good story. You can forward to about the 25 min mark I think to get to the good stuff. Hell of a story and worth the listen!
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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A couple of incidents,
So some of you that know me know I had a tangle with a black bear. I was carrying what now I believe is about the worst gun you could possible carry. A 5.5” super Blackhawk 44 shooting 320s at full tilt. The problem was I missed when it matter the most, at point blank range. Ultimately the bear lost and maybe became scared from the report as he jumped off to the side within seconds. I will tell you this right now, that revolver seemed unbelievably slow clearing leather when the a bear coming at full tilt is right on you. $hit happens. I carry now a G19, shield plus, or a 686 + with 158s or 173s at @1k.
We were hiking when pit bull came screaming around the trail. The owner had absolute fear in his voice as his dog rounded the bend. I sent one in the back of his neck. That was that. I had a G19 in a chest rig. Very fast.
Living remote in AK, I have had quite a bit experience with bears. Every black bear I’ve seen hit never wanted anything to do with anyone after that. Except one. I was 22? and was stalking a bear in the creek with my friend. I took a shot and because she was looking back, and it was dark in woods I shot her through the gut at 20 yards with my 458. She instantly came at me. My dear friend with his 7mm mag froze and I pulled off a second shot at the last moment and was knockdown. That first 458 shot had zero visible effect.
I would not take horsepower over firepower and controllability with a handgun. Even though the one bear took a 458 and charged, I’d rather have the control and multiple rounds. Without a doubt a 357 has plenty of penetration . I understand that a solid hit with a 44 has more value with the same hit with a 9mm or cast 357, but that’s not how I’d expect it to go. Not for me at least.
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I don’t know how to post links but if anyone wants to listen to black bear vs 10mm attack straight from the horses mouth look up Nada Grande Outdoors season 2 episode 6 called Bear necessities. Bridger Petrini’s story in his own words and voice. Pretty good story. You can forward to about the 25 min mark I think to get to the good stuff. Hell of a story and worth the listen!
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Does anyone hear believe the wound channel of a 10mm can’t kill a big bear? Was wondering the same myself. I'm not sure full penetration by a 200-220 gr hard cast is somehow significantly different than same with a 0.429, 280 gr. In fact, I'd take the hard case 220 10mm over a 44 cal non-hard cast. In my mind, Phil's experience seems to bear out, pun intended, that raw fire power is not the measure of effectiveness. It's holes through the animal in the right place. For me, I shoot my G20 better and faster than my heavy loaded revolvers. The only variable is penetration. I'm 100% sure a 220 hard cast from a 10mm is up to the penetration challenge. I spend considerable time with my 10mm and am pretty confident in its use and effectiveness if the need arises. Plus it has 15 accomplices if need be. Why I carry my 10 mm rather than the model 29 S&W 44 mag can shoot it better and get back on target quicker, AK fish and game has killed 3 Brown bear within 100 yards of my door within the last 2 years.
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To the original question of 10mm vs .44 Mag... Obvious! Gun pointed menacingly as words... 'Do ya feel lucky Punk? Well, do ya?" Just not offering the Dirty Harry image! 10mm Failed!  Best! John
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