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Nugget here reporting for Duty! I been collecting those aluminum cooking trays here at the dump to make a shield for my bicycle handlebars. I also have a single shot H&R 30-30 with 2 rds of ammo. As they say in football put me in coach.. You will be the first one WE volunteer. That sound reasonable ?? We thank you for your future service.  kwg Sir, Yes Sir! I also have a basket on the front of my handlebars so i can carry dynamite, blackpowder, handgrenades, gasoline, anything flammable or dangerous I can carry it. 🦸♀️ Keep an eye out for an egg timer during your dump picking.
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Talking about population numbers, what should we consider to be a long term sustainable population figure? Eight billion or more? Less than that? Or is perpetual growth a possibility? At out current tech level it's about 12 billion, and it will only continue.to go up from there. I see a bit of a problem. Mainly food production shortfalls. Food production can only be ramped up by a finite amount and I bet we're close to the limit. I know, we could quit putting corn in gas tanks but what else? The other problem I see is energy. Not to mention all the sewage. Can you imagine the surface water in China and India? I would think Asia in particular is ripe for a population adjustment if a deadly pathogen gets loose as compared to the candy ass Covid19. Keep in mind, there's two sides to this equation. And extra 4 billion people is a lot of additional labor, and our rate of innovation's great than you imagine. In 1900 it took 50% of Americans to feed the U.S. Today 2% of Americans feed our country 2 and a half times over, and as you point out, that doesn't include all the corn we put in our gas tanks. We can make the food. The biggest problems are in distribution, and corrupt governments steeling so much money from their people they can't afford food from the highly productive regions. In 1865 Stanley Jevons published "The Coal Question; An Inquiry Concerning the Progress of the Nation, and the Probable Exhaustion of Our Coal Mines" In it, Jevons predict all the coal in the entire earth would be exhausted by 1965. Well.....he was wrong. We have hundreds, if not thousands of years worth of know coal reserves. Additionally, there's this trick of economics that prevents scare resources from becoming exhausted. It's called the price mechanism. As resources become scare, price goes up, and people either find substitute products, or new more innovative way to produce them more cheaply. An example of this is the fracking revolution in oil production and the hundreds of other revolution of the last century. Heck if everyone, starting with Russia and China would just stay on their square and cooperate a little bit, we could do 20 billion without much sweat.
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Talking about population numbers, what should we consider to be a long term sustainable population figure? Eight billion or more? Less than that? Or is perpetual growth a possibility? At out current tech level it's about 12 billion, and it will only continue.to go up from there. Long term sustainable? Yes. And it we could significantly mitigate the corruption in third world nations, that number would probably go even higher. When you have mostly free markets and fair trade, more people results in higher productivity on a per person basis. Think specialization and division of labor. The more people you have, the more each can produce, the more people you can support. Yet everything that is produced comes from raw materials, growing, mining, processing, construction, clearing land for more housing, supply of building materials, etcetera.
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Talking about population numbers, what should we consider to be a long term sustainable population figure? Eight billion or more? Less than that? Or is perpetual growth a possibility? At out current tech level it's about 12 billion, and it will only continue.to go up from there. Long term sustainable? Yes. And it we could significantly mitigate the corruption in third world nations, that number would probably go even higher. When you have mostly free markets and fair trade, more people results in higher productivity on a per person basis. Think specialization and division of labor. The more people you have, the more each can produce, the more people you can support. Yet everything that is produced comes from raw materials, growing, mining, processing, construction, clearing land for more housing, supply of building materials, etcetera. And coal did not run out in 1965.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Won't be anything going down.
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Talking about population numbers, what should we consider to be a long term sustainable population figure? Eight billion or more? Less than that? Or is perpetual growth a possibility? At out current tech level it's about 12 billion, and it will only continue.to go up from there. I see a bit of a problem. Mainly food production shortfalls. Food production can only be ramped up by a finite amount and I bet we're close to the limit. I know, we could quit putting corn in gas tanks but what else? The other problem I see is energy. Not to mention all the sewage. Can you imagine the surface water in China and India? I would think Asia in particular is ripe for a population adjustment if a deadly pathogen gets loose as compared to the candy ass Covid19. Keep in mind, there's two sides to this equation. And extra 4 billion people is a lot of additional labor, and our rate of innovation's great than you imagine. In 1900 it took 50% of Americans to feed the U.S. Today 2% of Americans feed our country 2 and a half times over, and as you point out, that doesn't include all the corn we put in our gas tanks. We can make the food. The biggest problems are in distribution, and corrupt governments steeling so much money from their people they can't afford food from the highly productive regions. In 1865 Stanley Jevons published "The Coal Question; An Inquiry Concerning the Progress of the Nation, and the Probable Exhaustion of Our Coal Mines" In it, Jevons predict all the coal in the entire earth would be exhausted by 1965. Well.....he was wrong. We have hundreds, if not thousands of years worth of know coal reserves. Additionally, there's this trick of economics that prevents scare resources from becoming exhausted. It's called the price mechanism. As resources become scare, price goes up, and people either find substitute products, or new more innovative way to produce them more cheaply. An example of this is the fracking revolution in oil production and the hundreds of other revolution of the last century. Heck if everyone, starting with Russia and China would just stay on their square and cooperate a little bit, we could do 20 billion without much sweat. A/S: I hope your optimism is justified. My run on planet earth will be over before too many more years but I have 3 children and 5 grandchildren I'm leaving behind. For some reason, I guess just human nature I'm hoping they will make their time without to much disaster and tragedy. The adults are all gainfully employed in specialized fields and therefore can only do well with stability. I do enjoy conversing with you.
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Would love to hear thoughts from you guys on us ending up in a war with china and russia. So you think its going to happen? How fast? Do we have the capability to take on china, russia, possibly india? Seems we are marching closer every day. Just curious on you alls thoughts India and China are enemies.
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Would love to hear thoughts from you guys on us ending up in a war with china and russia. So you think its going to happen? How fast? Do we have the capability to take on china, russia, possibly india? Seems we are marching closer every day. Just curious on you alls thoughts India and China are enemies. Hahaha. Fool, they are now Nationalists and don't want your WEF Globalist agenda. If what you say is true, they and SA wouldn't be supporting Putin.
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Chris Kanthan sure had a big swing and a miss regarding Russian power.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Would love to hear thoughts from you guys on us ending up in a war with china and russia. So you think its going to happen? How fast? Do we have the capability to take on china, russia, possibly india? Seems we are marching closer every day. Just curious on you alls thoughts India and China are enemies. There’s no love lost between them for sure but they’re more like economic competitors that are vying for advanced economy’s $. Both are also competing for energy to power their production capabilities. Jmo
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Would love to hear thoughts from you guys on us ending up in a war with china and russia. So you think its going to happen? How fast? Do we have the capability to take on china, russia, possibly india? Seems we are marching closer every day. Just curious on you alls thoughts India and China are enemies. There’s no love lost between them for sure but they’re more like economic competitors that are vying for advanced economy’s $. Both are also competing for energy to power their production capabilities. Jmo Your opinion was that a congenital liar and Pedophile who screws his granddaughter would make a great POTUS. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/d0RGFRqX/Screenshot-20221104-142821-Photos.jpg)
Ecc 10:2
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Talking about population numbers, what should we consider to be a long term sustainable population figure? Eight billion or more? Less than that? Or is perpetual growth a possibility? At out current tech level it's about 12 billion, and it will only continue.to go up from there. Long term sustainable? Yes. And it we could significantly mitigate the corruption in third world nations, that number would probably go even higher. When you have mostly free markets and fair trade, more people results in higher productivity on a per person basis. Think specialization and division of labor. The more people you have, the more each can produce, the more people you can support. Yet everything that is produced comes from raw materials, growing, mining, processing, construction, clearing land for more housing, supply of building materials, etcetera. And coal did not run out in 1965. It's far more complex than that.
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If this election keeps the Communist in power it’ll be because of snowflake voters that don’t know s hit from shineola!!
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Chris Kanthan sure had a big swing and a miss regarding Russian power. Ever check out Lyn Alden? https://www.lynalden.com/energy-problems/
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If you work 40 hrs/wk: at 5% inflation and after 5 years, you need a 28% pay raise or to work 44 more hours (*one full extra week* per month+) to make up the difference.
This is inflation
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A/S... this a good thread.
You have the helm...
Please continue...
An open mind is ideal.
Jury is still out on Zeihan...
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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There is HUGE DESPERATION in the world...
That is a major wildcard.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Would love to hear thoughts from you guys on us ending up in a war with china and russia. So you think its going to happen? How fast? Do we have the capability to take on china, russia, possibly india? Seems we are marching closer every day. Just curious on you alls thoughts India and China are enemies. There’s no love lost between them for sure but they’re more like economic competitors that are vying for advanced economy’s $. Both are also competing for energy to power their production capabilities. Jmo There is more to it than that, China and Pakistan have been developing closer ties and India and Pakistan are sworn enemies. In fact, the India Pakistan nuclear tensions pose more of a threat to WWIII than Ukraine Russia war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Pakistan_relations
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I also have tubes hanging off my rear tire rack where I can fire bottle rockets as well. I'm serious guys when this war kicks of please let me know.
Nugget Keep that assault bicycle tuned up. You will be first on our list. Trust me on that . kwg
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Would love to hear thoughts from you guys on us ending up in a war with china and russia. So you think its going to happen? How fast? Do we have the capability to take on china, russia, possibly india? Seems we are marching closer every day. Just curious on you alls thoughts I don't see the U.S. going to war against China, Russia, or NoKo unless they attack an ally, China vs. Taiwan, Russia vs. NATO, or NoKo vs. SoKo. Why would we go to war with India?
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Won't be anything going down.
If it happens everyone will pay and no one will be happy. Haven’t read many books, have you? LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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