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I have had and shot umpteen 30-06's and at that time I did not "own" one...

This is my current 30-06 and I love it.



I will JWP475..Just give me a minute....

Jayco

jayco

You have zero experience with a 30-06.

Who here has ever had the capability to know the exact pressure of their loads?
No one except for less than a handful of gun writers like JB.

I am going by the linear method btw and looking for classic signs using slower than normal powders for the most part which result in lower pressures.

Now do us all a favor and move on and let the men talk here without your infantile input.

I have a 35-06 that will heave a 225 gr Nosler Partition at 2681 fps with 56 grs of IMR 4320. This is from a 22 inch barrel by the way.
whelennut

JWP475

There is more if you want it.....This was from Jim Taylor and friends arguing the strength of leverguns on the market. on Paco Kelly's leverguns.com.

Just remember that pressure is always and only relative to the resistance of the system in place to contain it... If the pressure does not exceed strength of the containment apparatus, all is well. The Freedom Arms .454 revolver has a built-in 100%+ safety factor - that is, it will contain pressures in excess of 100% overload. That said - DON'T try to find out how much or how high that is... We did succeed in breaking a .454 at F.A., but only after much tedious loading and firing of ammunition no one could conceivably load by accident or mistake. The gun never did "blow up," it just finally "broke..."

In my own .454 levergun tests, back in the late '80s, we did manage to ruin a few Winchester '94s, and one Marlin 336. The Marlin failed after the fewest rounds of factory-equivalent ammo, digesting only a handful of rounds (somewhere short of 20, if memory serves...) before the action would no longer lock up safely or securely.

Next to fall was a brand-new Winchester '94 Big-Bore AE, which stretched and flowed like taffy, as the bolt tried to climb up the locking lug and out of the top of the receiver, peening the lug recesses in the receiver terribly, and noticeably stretching the right side wall of the receiver. In their infinite wisdom, Winchester (USRAC) beefed up the receiver in the wrong place, while cutting ALL the strength out of the right receiver wall, to allow for their ill-conceived "angle ejection" modification. The '94 that performed best in my testing was a well-used carbine, made in the 1920s. It was still tight and crisp when we screwed the .454 barrel into it, but even it became dangerous and unserviceable in fewer than 50 rounds.

The whole point of the testing was to prove to various and sundry doubters that the 1894 Winchester was NOT a suitable platform for the powerful .454 Casull round - and WHY. The guns used (and used up...) in the tests were donated to the cause by those very Doubting Thomases...! It doesn't get much better than that.

BTW, the same Sharon barrel was used in all the tests, and it emerged unscathed. It was finally rethreaded and rechambered to .45 Colt and installed in a Browning '92, where it still resides -- a 24", octagon beauty.

The 1894 and 1895 Winchesters are NOT particularly strong actions, having llooooooonnnnngg receiver walls and angled, rear locking bolts. In short, physics and geometry are against them from the outset. As mentioned above, the '94 AE suffers the further indignity of having the only strengthening metal available to it REMOVED to make way for the abominable ejection system.

The '86/M-71 and '92 Winchesters are by far the strongest of the "traditional" lever actions, with the nod going to the '86/71, with its square-to-bore vertical lockup, which situates the lugs about 2/3 the distance back from the breech-face as compared to a '94 or '95. The '86's receiver walls are robust and not chopped up or hollowed out as are those on the '94, in particular.

The new Browning/Winchester 1886 and Model 71 are virtually identical offerings, made of good, through-hardened steel, and will serve as the basis for some VERY powerful loading.

Be careful, and don't try this at home...

Jayco

Cut and paste experience sums up jayco.

Geez..It was a friend of mine that post on my forum and is a member.....

Do you need the link?I don't lie....It's yours if you ask.

Jayco

Your not going to ask are you, you little whuss.....You know I can back it up so you call names instead of backing up your post....

This is the only one I will let you in on after thinking about it..Anyone who is interested in firearms and building the rifle to except pressures,especially leverguns::::::::

Should read this one on my forum and pay attention to what BuckElliott has to say that did the testing for Freedom Arms on the 454 Casull in a levergun!!!!!!!!!

http://www.levergunlovers.com/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=10676&p=103980#p103980

Jayco

This is an interesting thread and topic with plenty of good info if their wasn't a lot of butt hurt, ego repair going on.
In light of my remark, I will go on and state for the record and the risk of being lambasted, that a few weeks ago I took my KS Mountain rifle out with an older box of Hornady light magnum 180 gr. factory loads and my trusty chronograph and was getting consistent 2940fps to 2960fps velocities.... a smokin' load by most standards. Interestingly enough, both rifle, chrony and I came home in one piece. No primers fell out of their pockets, no sticky bolt lift or barrel bulging and nary a mark on the brass cases, imagine my surprise! Now I realize that the propellant is not an off the shelf flavor but still...I think the argument has been pretty well made that 2700fss with a 200NPT is not only doable but can be done safely in some ,not all rifles if proper handloading precautions are exercised and you work up loads in your rifle BTW, its a bughole shooter.
YMMV,
BD

You marry a hydra, you take your chances. Marry two of them and you've pretty much had it.

Today I loaded some 200 gr partitions over 59 gr of H4831SC for my spring bear hunt. I did not chrono them, but they shot pretty well. My 5-shot 100 yard groups were a little over an inch, 3 shot groups of about 3/4". This was from 2 different rifles- a M700 classic, and a New Haven M70 classic stainless. I was thinking of also trying RL-17, but I may have already found my load.
I like the idea of the 200 gr partition for situations where the game could be large, but the ranges short.

Tag

As always on here, once the veracity of any claim is questioned, it only takes a page or two for the keyboard warrior name calling to start.

If you won't say it face to face, better not to say it.

Do any of you really think any big game animal would shrug off a hit from a 200 gr .308 bullet at 2500 fps but fall over dead were it going at 2700 ?

Lots of dead critters killed by 30-40 Krags with 220s @1800 fps are laughing over this dust up.

What happened to upthehole Larry?

Tag

Don't you mean, as always since you joined earlier last month? Or, Larry, did you mean since you joined years ago and have been banned numerous times since? You need to pull your head out from "up the hole" and go away for good.

200 Nosler Partition - 20 3/8" barrel:

54 gn R16 - Win cases - Win 120 primers - 2555 fps
56 gn StaBall 6.5 - Win cases - 215 primers - 2624 fps
60 gn R26 - Win cases - 215 primers - 2615 fps
61 gn N560 - Win cases - 210 primers - 2603 fps

For those who might want some alternate powders.

Cheers,
Walt

Impressive, from the 20" barrel! Thanks for posting that. I was happy with 2600 via H4350 from a 24" barrel. BTW, that load shot really well. Modest recoil & terrific accuracy. Flatter shooting than I anticipated too. Did a fine job on wolf & grizzly.

Of course, it's kinda crazy that this thread got dredged up from 10 years ago.

Regards, Guy

There's a reason for everything. I recently started load development with 200gr bullets in my 30-06. This thread, while 10 years old, contains valuable data in my quest for accuracy and speed. It took much work on my part to find this thread with the few clues another member could provide so I tagged it for future reference.

Good old thread