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I don't see any of the Orc Lovers talking about their time in the service.

I wonder why that is?

Yes,

In response to the expansion of communisms our policy was one of "Containment".

Here's a picture of what that looked like in 1959:[Linked Image]

You'll notice there's basically a blue ring around the Soviet Union, beginning with Japan and Korea to control the Tsushima Strait and bottle up the Soviet Fleet in Vladivostok, down through the remainder of the First Island Chain, i.e. Taiwan, Philippines, along with Vietnam to control the southern water ways approaching China, Thailand and Singapore to control access to between the Indian and Pacific oceans.

We have the southern chain, Pakistan, at that time Iran, and Turkey. With Turkey, Greece, Italy, again, we control access to the Black Sea and kept another Soviet Fleet bottled up. We controlled the entire northern coast of the Med and it's primary access point in the West, Gibraltar.

On west, Italy, France, Germany, with the Netherlands and Norway containing the Baltic fleet, and Norway and Iceland controlling the major water way between the Soviet Northern Fleet and the blue waters of the Atlantic, a line we began augmenting with SOSUS in 1966.

Now when you look at this map, all of a sudden some historical events make more sense. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Here's a clue for you. Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.

As for the claim that Russians prefer free buffer states between them and NATO, the Soviets went into Hungary in 56, and Czechoslovakia in 68. They have a history of filling voids around their sphere of influence.

After their fall in 1991 containment moved forward. Czechs, Hungary and Poland in 1999, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004, and a smattering of small player since 2009. Now if you look at a map, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are right up against the Russians. The Kaliningrad carve out borders Poland and Lithuania, and Poland's, right up against the Russian Puppet Belarus, which brings us to Ukraine. Of course this is nothing new. NATO and Soviet Block solders faced each other just a few years apart at Check Point Charles for over 45 year.

Serious discussion about Ukrainian membership in NATO began in 2008 at the Bucharest summit. Neither was admitted, and a few month last Russia went into Georgia. Movement on admitting Ukraine essentially stalled until 2014 when Russia went into Crimea, but of course that little detail just gets glossed over. Now if the Russians has just stayed in Crimea, they could of probably gotten away with it, but as Orcs and the Borg will do, they just had to get greedy and as Russian always does (They didn't become the nation with the largest land mass by playing nice with their neighbors) they tried to take more, and now everyone on Russia's borders wants to join NATO.

Now you and I see Ukraine differently.

You see Ukraine. I see a pathway to all of north eastern Germany through Poland, and northern Bulgaria though Romania. And of Course they'd also need the 3 Baltic States to secure the Baltic coastline.




So our basis choices are:

1. Go Isolationist. Abandon all allies and trading partners at least outside the Western Hemisphere if not world wide AT THE SAME TIME ALL YOU BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING. You think shortages are bad now? You have no clue what this would look like. Keep in mind, the proximate cause of the great depression was a tariff on raw materials. This would make the Great Depression look lie a picnic.

2. Do nothing in Ukraine. Let the Russians have it, honor our commitments to NATO and fight a series of wars across Seven NATO member.

3. Arm Ukraine. Spend a few hundred billion to Russian dry, bring the the edge of bankruptcy, leave much of a generation of their young men dead on the battle field, and leave them too exhausted for foreign adventures for the next 30 years, and make China reconsider it's plans for foreign adventures for a long time as well.

For anyone who can think past the nose on their own face, this is an easy call.

It's a rhetorical question.
It will be a few years before you make it to that reading level, but hang in there, you can do it!

There will be a fight, at some point, to check Putin's ambitions. As long as Nato exists, it will happen when Nato countries become involved. If Nato dissolves, the fight will be postponed, but something, sometime will happen to draw us in.

And the end of "strong independent women" who "don't need no man".

Ever notice that covtards are the type of folk that are never wrong about anything.

Based on your posts, you could use some men in your life as well.

LOL

Of course not.

They’re idiots.

Covtard deniers.

You’d think antelope sniper would admit his mistakes on the previous cause before jumping to a new one.

But nope, they just keep on truckin’.

LOL