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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
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There is no doubt in my mind we agree with the minor issue.

But the problem is, it's the natural progression of the issue that is the heart of what you are defending. They are not content to be left alone to live their life same as anyone else. That's been demonstrated exponentially here in the last decade.

Are there gays that want no part of the large movement that is seeking to overthrow western society? Of course! But they need to take charge and step up throttle this thing back, because they are getting painted with the same brush. And the paint is the blood of the innocent kids being sacrificed.

I'll say it again, the "right" to play dressup and bang a dude in the ass on the down square does not in any sane universe equate to the right to keep and bear arms.

False equivocation my friend.

I drew an inarguable parallel between two types of advocacy.

I support gay people having all of the rights and opportunities that the rest of us have. That includes the right to advocate for their cause. Each time I have mentioned that, someone has argued with me on the grounds of progression. Interestingly enough, if you listen to liberals, they say the same thing about gun owners. Gun owners want every man, woman and child, criminal, mentally ill, out on bail for murder or otherwise defective, to carry guns. They do that for the same reason it is being done here.

As you might guess, based on what I wrote earlier in this thread, I come in contact with gay people on a regular basis. NONE of them advocate for pedophilia, "playing dressup and banging dudes in the ass on the down square" or any of the other red herrings that have been bandied about in this discussion.
So you are ok with gays adopting children? Also, I literally do not know one gun owner who is in favor of a criminal having gun rights

There are two parts to your response.

Yes, I support gays rights to adopt. I don't like it. My default mindset is that children need a male and female mother and father figure to properly socially and emotionally adjust. I don't mind challenging my beliefs as open-mindedly as I possibly can. Here's where that quest to challenge my beliefs lands me. https://whatweknow.inequality.corne...of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

There have been numerous conversations here where people have spoken out in favor of felons regaining their right to keep and bear arms. But that's not the point. The point is that the opposition resorts to red herring extremes to muddy the issue.
Why such a high drive to be as open minded as possible? Do you not see where this has taken us?

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Paul, you have no external moral compass.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Paul, you have no external moral compass.
He's a fugkin clown. Virtue signaling clown.

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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
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Paul, you have no external moral compass.
He's a fugkin clown. Virtue signaling clown.

Who would I be sending that signal to, John Burns?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Paul, you have no external moral compass.

Would you like to have a conversation about that, or do you just want to fling mud?

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Originally Posted by gunchamp
Why such a high drive to be as open minded as possible? Do you not see where this has taken us?

Empathy is simply inextricably entwined into my personal constitution. My mother can tell stories of my empathy from way back in elementary school. I always do my best to understand what it's like to walk in another person's shoes. Admittedly, it would be much more convenient to simply say "fugk them people who are different from me."

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I posted a link to a JAMA article...

As with COVID, medical journals are BS while anybody with a basic knowledge of biology and some common sense is far better suited to discuss this stuff than those credentialed as “scientists” in the current regime.

Another "nu uh because I said so." How cute. Should I go ahead and call myself "poopy pants?"

Obtuseness doesn’t become you, but if you’re content believing the same folks who’ve lied to us the last few years and have sought to undermine our republic that’s fine by me.

That’s what Lenin called a “useful idiot”.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Paul, you have no external moral compass.

Would you like to have a conversation about that, or do you just want to fling mud?


What is your external moral compass?

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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
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Paul, you have no external moral compass.
He's a fugkin clown. Virtue signaling clown.

I had to look that up.

Who has more virtue, the person who does what is right because externally it will be seen to be right (virtue signalling), or the person who does right because they know within themselves that it is the correct thing to do?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/integrity-internal-external-compass-mitun-ghosh/

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Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
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Paul, you have no external moral compass.

Would you like to have a conversation about that, or do you just want to fling mud?


What is your external moral compass?

Why would I invest time in responding to this when you have have shown that the best you are capable of bringing into the conversation is a childish retort?

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Originally Posted by Wannabebwana
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Paul, you have no external moral compass.
He's a fugkin clown. Virtue signaling clown.

I had to look that up.

Who has more virtue, the person who does what is right because externally it will be seen to be right (virtue signalling), or the person who does right because they know within themselves that it is the correct thing to do?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/integrity-internal-external-compass-mitun-ghosh/

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The DailyMail UK article .. claims..Aldrich, 22, is suspected of murdering five people and injuring others at Club Q on Saturday - meanwhile, it was revealed that it's estranged father is MMA fighter and PORN STAR named 'Dick Delaware'​.....WELL ....that explains a lot of It's problems

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Did Jesus Himself make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that His followers are to love other’s as He has loved His followers…? Did He make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that *the* defining characteristic of His followers is that they love other’s as He has loved them…? Was this a command from Jesus Himself, or was it just a suggestion…?

Does cherry-picking a verse about a specific “abomination” from an old covenant (the Law of Moses) that is no longer in effect…and hasn’t been in effect for 2000 years, and that never ever applied to anyone other than the ancient Israelites to begin with…square up with Jesus’ New Covenant command above…?

If someone is prejudiced or bigoted or hates someone else for whatever reason...homosexuals in this instance…that's their business. Especially when they're honest enough to admit that that's what it is. At least they're honest about it. Others choose to weaponize cherry-picked old covenant Bible verses to justify their prejudice and bigotry and hatred of certain others...homosexuals in this instance…hidin' behind the shield of Christianity and doin' the exact opposite of what Jesus Himself did and taught.

Apostle John said that those who profess to be walking in the light…while hating others…are still in darkness themselves. Was Apostle John wrong about that…?

Nothing more pathetic & disgusting than a homosexual trying to twist & shred the bible in some psychotic attempt to sway opinion in IT's favor ....

Do you really think you are the first to attempt that ?

Swampy,

I've had many religious debates with Antlers. Although our beliefs are different, you attack on him is totally unjustified. He's an honest debater, and there's nothing in his quoted post inconsistent with what he's said in the past. I have no good reason to think these are not his honest beliefs, and his position on The New Covenant and Grace are held by a good many Christian here on The Fire.

You attack on his is way off base.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Originally Posted by antlers
Did Jesus Himself make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that His followers are to love other’s as He has loved His followers…? Did He make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that *the* defining characteristic of His followers is that they love other’s as He has loved them…? Was this a command from Jesus Himself, or was it just a suggestion…?

Does cherry-picking a verse about a specific “abomination” from an old covenant (the Law of Moses) that is no longer in effect…and hasn’t been in effect for 2000 years, and that never ever applied to anyone other than the ancient Israelites to begin with…square up with Jesus’ New Covenant command above…?

If someone is prejudiced or bigoted or hates someone else for whatever reason...homosexuals in this instance…that's their business. Especially when they're honest enough to admit that that's what it is. At least they're honest about it. Others choose to weaponize cherry-picked old covenant Bible verses to justify their prejudice and bigotry and hatred of certain others...homosexuals in this instance…hidin' behind the shield of Christianity and doin' the exact opposite of what Jesus Himself did and taught.

Apostle John said that those who profess to be walking in the light…while hating others…are still in darkness themselves. Was Apostle John wrong about that…?

Nothing more pathetic & disgusting than a homosexual trying to twist & shred the bible in some psychotic attempt to sway opinion in IT's favor ....

Do you really think you are the first to attempt that ?

Swampy,

I've had many religious debates with Antlers. Although our beliefs are different, you attack on him is totally unjustified. He's an honest debater, and there's nothing in his quoted post inconsistent with what he's said in the past. I have no good reason to think these are not his honest beliefs, and his position on The New Covenant and Grace are held by a good many Christian here on The Fire.

You attack on his is way off base.

He knows it, and he doesn't care. He's not here to engage in intellectually honest debate.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr
Originally Posted by antlers
Did Jesus Himself make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that His followers are to love other’s as He has loved His followers…? Did He make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that *the* defining characteristic of His followers is that they love other’s as He has loved them…? Was this a command from Jesus Himself, or was it just a suggestion…?

Does cherry-picking a verse about a specific “abomination” from an old covenant (the Law of Moses) that is no longer in effect…and hasn’t been in effect for 2000 years, and that never ever applied to anyone other than the ancient Israelites to begin with…square up with Jesus’ New Covenant command above…?

If someone is prejudiced or bigoted or hates someone else for whatever reason...homosexuals in this instance…that's their business. Especially when they're honest enough to admit that that's what it is. At least they're honest about it. Others choose to weaponize cherry-picked old covenant Bible verses to justify their prejudice and bigotry and hatred of certain others...homosexuals in this instance…hidin' behind the shield of Christianity and doin' the exact opposite of what Jesus Himself did and taught.

Apostle John said that those who profess to be walking in the light…while hating others…are still in darkness themselves. Was Apostle John wrong about that…?
If you have access to a Bible, and I truly hope you do, read what Romans, chapter one has to say. In case you don’t know, Romans is in the New Testament, and therefore not some “old covenant .”

I suggest you continue on and read it in the context of Romans chapter two.


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Originally Posted by Swamplord
Originally Posted by antlers
Did Jesus Himself make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that His followers are to love other’s as He has loved His followers…? Did He make it crystal clear in His New Covenant that *the* defining characteristic of His followers is that they love other’s as He has loved them…? Was this a command from Jesus Himself, or was it just a suggestion…?

Does cherry-picking a verse about a specific “abomination” from an old covenant (the Law of Moses) that is no longer in effect…and hasn’t been in effect for 2000 years, and that never ever applied to anyone other than the ancient Israelites to begin with…square up with Jesus’ New Covenant command above…?

If someone is prejudiced or bigoted or hates someone else for whatever reason...homosexuals in this instance…that's their business. Especially when they're honest enough to admit that that's what it is. At least they're honest about it. Others choose to weaponize cherry-picked old covenant Bible verses to justify their prejudice and bigotry and hatred of certain others...homosexuals in this instance…hidin' behind the shield of Christianity and doin' the exact opposite of what Jesus Himself did and taught.

Apostle John said that those who profess to be walking in the light…while hating others…are still in darkness themselves. Was Apostle John wrong about that…?

Nothing more pathetic & disgusting than a homosexual trying to twist & shred the bible in some psychotic attempt to sway opinion in IT's favor ....

Do you really think you are the first to attempt that ?



Correct me if I'm wrong but I do not see where Antlers has offered his opinion on whether homosexuality is a sin. I only see where he essentially says love the sinner, regardless of your belief, which is absolutely correct. Who among us is living in perpetual sin? Porn, drunk, adultery, greed, gluttony, covetousness; its no different.

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Let’s all hold hands and pretend we’d love pedophiles grooming our kids or grandkids. Pathetic






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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Paul, you have no external moral compass.

Would you like to have a conversation about that, or do you just want to fling mud?


What is your external moral compass?

Why would I invest time in responding to this when you have have shown that the best you are capable of bringing into the conversation is a childish retort?

You have none.

Got it thanks.

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Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Let’s all hold hands and pretend we’d love pedophiles grooming our kids or grandkids. Pathetic

It’d be politically incorrect and mean if we didn’t.

That settles it…

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