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The upside to a well-designed FFP reticle is that there is no downside.  Specific examples please Discussing the merits of the FFP design can be made into a rather long conversation. A list of scope models is an even longer conversation. Of what specifically are you asking for examples? A list of ffp scopes with well designed reticle
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The upside to a well-designed FFP reticle is that there is no downside. Specific examples please Discussing the merits of the FFP design can be made into a rather long conversation. A list of scope models is an even longer conversation. Of what specifically are you asking for examples? A list of ffp scopes with well designed reticle What is your definition of "Well designed"
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I do not know. Was asking Jordan as he said there was no downside to a well designed ffp. I am asking for specific examples. All the ffp scopes I have seen are full of dots and dashes making them distracting and seem overly complicated to me.
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I do not know. Was asking Jordan as he said there was no downside to a well designed ffp. I am asking for specific examples. All the ffp scopes I have seen are full of dots and dashes making them distracting and seem overly complicated to me. 😂😂😂
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and on lower magnification reticle look awful small !
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I see. Just remember when you hold for anything to make sure you’re on the highest power!
I’ve screwed that up a time or two with my second focal plane scopes
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I do not know. Was asking Jordan as he said there was no downside to a well designed ffp. I am asking for specific examples. All the ffp scopes I have seen are full of dots and dashes making them distracting and seem overly complicated to me. A mil reticle or MOA will have the same marks in both FFP or SFP FFP plane reticle are the same size in relation to the target at all powers. SEP reticle are not
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I see. Just remember when you hold for anything to make sure you’re on the highest power!
I’ve screwed that up a time or two with my second focal plane scopes Exactly.
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All it takes is a clay bird thrower and a video camera. Let's see the video.  I’ve made lots of running shots on game that were more difficult than shooting a floating clay at 25 yards. One of the reasons I’ve essentially stopped posting photos and videos on this site is that they are used and demanded by the loudmouths to somehow prove legitimacy or validity of one’s comments, although we saw with roundoak that even pics aren’t enough to prove much. I don’t own an automatic clay thrower at the moment, but even if I did, and while it does look like a good time, I certainly wouldn’t post video of it here just to satisfy your insecurity.
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The upside to a well-designed FFP reticle is that there is no downside. Specific examples please Discussing the merits of the FFP design can be made into a rather long conversation. A list of scope models is an even longer conversation. Of what specifically are you asking for examples? A list of ffp scopes with well designed reticle I do not know. Was asking Jordan as he said there was no downside to a well designed ffp. I am asking for specific examples. All the ffp scopes I have seen are full of dots and dashes making them distracting and seem overly complicated to me. I listed a few examples above. Three of them offer the capability of using markings as an angular ruler, and for those that don’t need or want that functionality, the fourth is a simple S&B A7.
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A list of ffp scopes with well designed reticle Short list of a few I use: SWFA Milquad - 3-9x42 - won't count the 6x and 10x since they're fixed S&B P3L - 3-12x42 Klassic - won't count the P3 since it's a fixed 6x42 S&B A8 - 1.5-6x42 Klassic Nightforce FC-Mil and FC-MOA - NX8 1-8x24 Tangent Theta LRH MRAD - LRH 3-15x50 Bushnell LRHS - LRHS 3-12x44 All of these are well designed FFP reticles that I use on rifles that get used for hunting. I may wish to tweak things about any of them for my preference but they are well designed FFP reticles.
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Well-designed reticle?
Some are simple and some are complex. What qualifies as “well-designed” will be different for everyone depending on their needs and level of skill.
What’s funny is that some here will point to a reticle and say it’s “well-designed” and have absolutely zero clue as to the accuracy of the subtensions They just take the manufacturer’s word that a MIL is a MIL or an MOA is an MOA whether it be first or second plane and they have no way to confirm it.
For a second focal plane reticle, are the subtensions accurate on max power or something close? At what power are the subtensions double their value?
There are scopes with reticles that the subtensions are completely meaningless. It’s like producing a tape measure where all of the marks are meaningless; the 1/8” lines aren’t 1/8”s, the 1” lines aren’t actually 1” and so on.
If you don’t realize how important that is when holding over for drop or off for wind while trying to put an impact on a small target at range, think about it.
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Well-designed reticle?
Some are simple and some are complex. What qualifies as “well-designed” will be different for everyone depending on their needs and level of skill.
What’s funny is that some here will point to a reticle and say it’s “well-designed” and have absolutely zero clue as to the accuracy of the subtensions They just take the manufacturer’s word that a MIL is a MIL or an MOA is an MOA whether it be first or second plane and they have no way to confirm it.
For a second focal plane reticle, are the subtensions accurate on max power or something close? At what power are the subtensions double their value?
There are scopes with reticles that the subtensions are completely meaningless. It’s like producing a tape measure where all of the marks are meaningless; the 1/8” lines aren’t 1/8”s, the 1” lines aren’t actually 1” and so on.
If you don’t realize how important that is when holding over for drop or off for wind while trying to put an impact on a small target at range, think about it. Agree 💯%
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Well-designed reticle?
Some are simple and some are complex. What qualifies as “well-designed” will be different for everyone depending on their needs and level of skill. Very true, as I mentioned above. To me, “well-designed” means that functionality for a given intended application isn’t sacrificed because of design oversights. That looks different for scopes with different intended applications. What’s funny is that some here will point to a reticle and say it’s “well-designed” and have absolutely zero clue as to the accuracy of the subtensions They just take the manufacturer’s word that a MIL is a MIL or an MOA is an MOA whether it be first or second plane and they have no way to confirm it.
For a second focal plane reticle, are the subtensions accurate on max power or something close? At what power are the subtensions double their value?
There are scopes with reticles that the subtensions are completely meaningless. It’s like producing a tape measure where all of the marks are meaningless; the 1/8” lines aren’t 1/8”s, the 1” lines aren’t actually 1” and so on.
If you don’t realize how important that is when holding over for drop or off for wind while trying to put an impact on a small target at range, think about it. Good point. Though it’s not difficult to confirm reticle subtensions with a few common items and a working knowledge of trigonometry.
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Well-designed reticle?
Some are simple and some are complex. What qualifies as “well-designed” will be different for everyone depending on their needs and level of skill.
What’s funny is that some here will point to a reticle and say it’s “well-designed” and have absolutely zero clue as to the accuracy of the subtensions They just take the manufacturer’s word that a MIL is a MIL or an MOA is an MOA whether it be first or second plane and they have no way to confirm it.
For a second focal plane reticle, are the subtensions accurate on max power or something close? At what power are the subtensions double their value?
There are scopes with reticles that the subtensions are completely meaningless. It’s like producing a tape measure where all of the marks are meaningless; the 1/8” lines aren’t 1/8”s, the 1” lines aren’t actually 1” and so on.
If you don’t realize how important that is when holding over for drop or off for wind while trying to put an impact on a small target at range, think about it. That sums up Reupold succinctly. Hint..................
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Hi all,
I recently was the high bid for an auction at an RMEF banquet for a Quigley-Ford scope.
They are asking if I want to upgrade from 2nd to 1st focal for $200.
Basically go from a 4-16x 50 1” to a 5-20x 50 30mm.
It is going on my 700 BDL 7SAUM with a 24” barrel.
I doubt I will ever take a 500 yard shot while hunting.
Is it worth the upgrade for me? I have never had a scope like this so thought I should get some opinions.
My usual scopes are VX-3’s and such. Never had an opportunity to purchase a $2000 scope for a reasonable price before.
Thanks for any help you can be.
Have a great day!! I would not spend the money on the upgrade for what you are going to use it for. I prefer SFP, but I am a normal range hunter. If I stretch it out, a rangefinder and a good dialing scope suffices. Just can't get used to the small, fine reticle on low power, and the clutter, thickness on high power of FFP. Just me, and my personal preference.
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All it takes is a clay bird thrower and a video camera. Let's see the video. I’ve made lots of running shots on game that were more difficult than shooting a floating clay at 25 yards. One of the reasons I’ve essentially stopped posting photos and videos on this site is that they are used and demanded by the loudmouths to somehow prove legitimacy or validity of one’s comments, although we saw with roundoak that even pics aren’t enough to prove much. I don’t own an automatic clay thrower at the moment, but even if I did, and while it does look like a good time, I certainly wouldn’t post video of it here just to satisfy your insecurity. How would you know the difficulty of the clay show when you admit you it is a shot you have never done? Your failing to post pictures is telling as 'Pictures or it never happened" is a pretty common theme here on 24hrCF. The reason so many laugh at LiL Fish is his failling to produce field pictures. If you want to be taken more seriously in these discussion by those that know it might behove you to post some actual field pictures and/or video and less appeals to authority with "Ma PHD". Until then you are just another poster talking about things you have never done.
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