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Originally Posted by rte
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If those "illegals" could build what exists in America, they'd never leave their home countries.
That statement is not even remotely accurate.The opportunities don't exist in most South American nations.

They're not going to build anything,other than simple wood structures aka homes but they will take existing jobs,for which the elites will gladly train them.
South America has no natural resources? What "opportunities" are those people lacking?

America was built and still exists because hard-working people in a high-trust environment worked together. America is slowly and inevitably becoming a 3rd World nation as it becomes more populated by people originating in 3rd World nations.

The elites depend on the whites who built America to keep it functioning at all, economically and otherwise. If we weren't needed, we'd already be wiped out. They know they can guilt us into continuing to work.


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socialists/communists have managed to [bleep] up every country they have been in charge of. Every one. If you think you can just walk away, and that 'they' will do the heavy lifting, you are in for a rude awakening. What you will get is no middle class and everyone in one of two positions. The ruling elite and the peons.
Does not take a lot of brain power to figure where we will be. Oh, and no guns, no hunting, no talking back.


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You're arguing in circles.

You've not addressed any concerns J.B.Shurk wrote about in the original article.

High-trust environment? lol

Do you actually believe that the Chinese who built the railroads traveling west,worked in a high-trust environment?

Did the children who worked in garment factories work in a high-trust environment?

Did the people who worked in Cannery Row,about which John Steinbeck wrote,work in a high-trust environment?

You shouldn't use a phrase which you don't understand.


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26. Present homosexuality and degeneracy as normal.
27. Discredit the Bible.
28. Eliminate prayer in the schools.

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Originally Posted by rte
You're arguing in circles.

You've not addressed any concerns J.B.Shurk wrote about in the original article.

High-trust environment? lol

Do you actually believe that the Chinese who built the railroads traveling west,worked in a high-trust environment?

Did the children who worked in garment factories work in a high-trust environment?

Did the people who worked in Cannery Row,about which John Steinbeck wrote,work in a high-trust environment?

You shouldn't use a phrase which you don't understand.
Yes, Asians are high-trust. Yes, children of high-trust parents are high-trust. And Steinbeck is just another Jewish propagandist, feeding off high-trust populations.

Pretty pathetic that I have to explain this stuff.


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Originally Posted by Remsen
I'm afraid I'm on path to do what GeeDubya described (sorta).

For me, it started around 2008, when the economy melted down and the government intervened to save all the financial institutions. I was working at a big law firm at the time, with a number of financial company clients, and I pissed off the partners when I openly stated that I would rather see every bank in the nation go under than give the government power to control every aspect of our lives in exchange for the bailout.

When the bailouts occurred and I saw the Obama regime hand over GM to the unions, rather than to the bondholders who legally should have received the assets, I left the world of big law farms and took a massive pay cut to start my own practice, focused on those things I actually cared about. Over time, I went on a mission to make myself self sufficient to the maximum extent possible given the realities of my life (aging parents, property ownership, etc.).

Moving to Montana was the big final step for me. Much lower cost of living, much more freedom, I own some land with a basic cabin and lots of game available.

I look back at CA and see that they are now going to bleed working people to give reparations to blacks and am sure that at some point, it will go nationwide. I'm doing my best to not depend on government for a thing and also to not be subject to taxation.

Yes, I have a lot less money available now, but I also have a lot less need for money.


Althou I Agree with your Conviction on the Bailout’s and your Suspicions of what would happen when the Government gets Involved with it’s Sugar..

The Cascading Events of Massive Bankruptcies across not only the Car Sector but the whole Financial System was not Acceptable..

Housing Crisis.. The Virus..

As Dual Citizen Rhom Emanuel once said ..

“Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste” ..

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They have created crisis after crisis and made each one worse in the fox. Marxism is destroying our nation and congressional republicans are happy to help as long as they keep their positions of power.

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Originally Posted by akrange
Originally Posted by Remsen
I'm afraid I'm on path to do what GeeDubya described (sorta).

For me, it started around 2008, when the economy melted down and the government intervened to save all the financial institutions. I was working at a big law firm at the time, with a number of financial company clients, and I pissed off the partners when I openly stated that I would rather see every bank in the nation go under than give the government power to control every aspect of our lives in exchange for the bailout.

When the bailouts occurred and I saw the Obama regime hand over GM to the unions, rather than to the bondholders who legally should have received the assets, I left the world of big law farms and took a massive pay cut to start my own practice, focused on those things I actually cared about. Over time, I went on a mission to make myself self sufficient to the maximum extent possible given the realities of my life (aging parents, property ownership, etc.).

Moving to Montana was the big final step for me. Much lower cost of living, much more freedom, I own some land with a basic cabin and lots of game available.

I look back at CA and see that they are now going to bleed working people to give reparations to blacks and am sure that at some point, it will go nationwide. I'm doing my best to not depend on government for a thing and also to not be subject to taxation.

Yes, I have a lot less money available now, but I also have a lot less need for money.


Althou I Agree with your Conviction on the Bailout’s and your Suspicions of what would happen when the Government gets Involved with it’s Sugar..

The Cascading Events of Massive Bankruptcies across not only the Car Sector but the whole Financial System was not Acceptable..

Housing Crisis.. The Virus..

As Dual Citizen Rhom Emanuel once said ..

“Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste” ..

And Now Trump and the Patriots have the playbook.

As Q said, "Imagine what you can accomplish when you have their playbook."

Q+ is Trump. Imagine what he gave up to go through what he's done for us.

I expect the economy to crash. Will the people blame Trump or the Ds? Who are they blaming for high gas prices? Maybe that's what it takes to drain the swamp. Maybe that's why Trump is not in the WH? whistle


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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
I'm a Dr with an exceptionally high IQ


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Living in your head huh? No sense in that. Q is a Larp. wink


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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by akrange
Originally Posted by Remsen
I'm afraid I'm on path to do what GeeDubya described (sorta).

For me, it started around 2008, when the economy melted down and the government intervened to save all the financial institutions. I was working at a big law firm at the time, with a number of financial company clients, and I pissed off the partners when I openly stated that I would rather see every bank in the nation go under than give the government power to control every aspect of our lives in exchange for the bailout.

When the bailouts occurred and I saw the Obama regime hand over GM to the unions, rather than to the bondholders who legally should have received the assets, I left the world of big law farms and took a massive pay cut to start my own practice, focused on those things I actually cared about. Over time, I went on a mission to make myself self sufficient to the maximum extent possible given the realities of my life (aging parents, property ownership, etc.).

Moving to Montana was the big final step for me. Much lower cost of living, much more freedom, I own some land with a basic cabin and lots of game available.

I look back at CA and see that they are now going to bleed working people to give reparations to blacks and am sure that at some point, it will go nationwide. I'm doing my best to not depend on government for a thing and also to not be subject to taxation.

Yes, I have a lot less money available now, but I also have a lot less need for money.


Althou I Agree with your Conviction on the Bailout’s and your Suspicions of what would happen when the Government gets Involved with it’s Sugar..

The Cascading Events of Massive Bankruptcies across not only the Car Sector but the whole Financial System was not Acceptable..

Housing Crisis.. The Virus..

As Dual Citizen Rhom Emanuel once said ..

“Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste” ..

And Now Trump and the Patriots have the playbook.

As Q said, "Imagine what you can accomplish when you have their playbook."

Q+ is Trump. Imagine what he gave up to go through what he's done for us.

I expect the economy to crash. Will the people blame Trump or the Ds? Who are they blaming for high gas prices? Maybe that's what it takes to drain the swamp. Maybe that's why Trump is not in the WH? whistle


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One Step Ahead ..

Two Steps Behind..

Now ya Got to Run to get Even ..


Q Tip of the Day ..

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Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
How many MAGA's have even read the book or seen the movie?
My guess is 1-2%

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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by rte
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
If those "illegals" could build what exists in America, they'd never leave their home countries.
That statement is not even remotely accurate.The opportunities don't exist in most South American nations.

They're not going to build anything,other than simple wood structures aka homes but they will take existing jobs,for which the elites will gladly train them.
South America has no natural resources? What "opportunities" are those people lacking?

America was built and still exists because hard-working people in a high-trust environment worked together. America is slowly and inevitably becoming a 3rd World nation as it becomes more populated by people originating in 3rd World nations.

The elites depend on the whites who built America to keep it functioning at all, economically and otherwise. If we weren't needed, we'd already be wiped out. They know they can guilt us into continuing to work.

America is what is it is because of geography:



You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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I already shrugged, but did so with a .gov pension and health insurance. I understand not everyone is able to do that.

I always wanted to try one of John Galt’s cigarettes.

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I already shrugged, but did so with a .gov pension and health insurance. I understand not everyone is able to do that.

I always wanted to try one of John Galt’s cigarettes.

Here you go:
https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/fine-books-manuscripts-n09588/lot.110.html

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Originally Posted by HoosierHawk
I'm 15 or so years younger than you, GWB, and am pretty much in the same boat culturally, socially, economically, and ethically.

I've also had similar thoughts since 2020. If MAGA males in this country, who do 95+% of the work that keeps the country running just up and quit, society would fall apart in a matter of days.

Want electricity? Too bad.

Want clean water running to your house? Too bad.

Want gas at the pumps? Too bad.

Want food at the grocery store? Too bad.

Yet MAGA dudes are the only demographic regularly $hit on by all other demographics in the media, political arena, and academia. These useless people are totally dependent upon those they despise. Most of them, I'm sure, have no idea how modern amenities are actually delivered to them, they just know when they flip a switch, the lights come on.

If MAGA shrugged, even if only for one day, I think a lot of people would gain some perspective.

But a lot still wouldn't.

You honestly believe that 9.5 out of 10 workers who make your list happen are MAGA's? what are they supposed to look like?

Let's start with the BLS and see who works what jobs. This is not the best table, but let's see what percent of certain jobs are performed by white males:

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

When we look at how builds stuff and who keeps this nations running, the data is clear. Mechanics, heavy equipment operators, plumbers, electricians, machinests, carpenters, anything to do with construction, water and waste treatment, petroleum engineers (read refineries), firefighters, police, anything to do with your phones, are overwhelmingly performed by white males.

So yea, if MAGA shrugged, it would be a big deal. But if MAGA shrugged, it would be a much bigger deal than some "strong independent" women going without power and water for a few days, it would signal the beginning of a new social order.

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Logging workers	94.27%
Cabinetmakers and bench carpenters	88.74%
Cement masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers	88.60%
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers	88.07%
Automotive body and related repairers	87.74%
Heavy vehicle and mobile equipment service technicians and mechanics	87.34%
Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers, and tapers	87.02%
Electricians	86.80%
First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers	86.77%
Aircraft mechanics and service technicians	86.44%
Electrical power-line installers and repairers	86.39%
Construction equipment operators	86.33%
Sheet metal workers	86.01%
Security and fire alarm systems installers	85.76%
Miscellaneous vehicle and mobile equipment mechanics, installers, and repairers	85.44%
Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters	85.37%
Machinists	85.20%
Carpenters	84.98%
Tree trimmers and pruners	84.40%
Bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists	84.18%
Construction and extraction occupations	83.80%
First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers, and repairers	83.75%
Industrial and refractory machinery mechanics	83.42%
Roofers	83.31%
Construction managers	82.99%
Highway maintenance workers	82.42%
Brickmasons, blockmasons, and stonemasons	82.15%
Carpet, floor, and tile installers and finishers	81.96%
Welding, soldering, and brazing workers	81.64%
Automotive service technicians and mechanics	81.48%
Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations	81.47%
Construction laborers	80.98%
Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations	80.87%
Helpers, construction trades	80.77%
Heating, air conditioning, and refrigeration mechanics and installers	80.77%
Painters and paperhangers	80.71%
Maintenance and repair workers, general	80.29%
Firefighters	80.00%
Other extraction workers	79.70%
Landscaping and groundskeeping workers	79.64%
First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers	79.47%
Glaziers	78.91%
Construction and building inspectors	78.84%
Other installation, maintenance, and repair workers	78.40%
Broadcast, sound, and lighting technicians	77.88%
Crane and tower operators	77.64%
Surveying and mapping technicians	77.52%
Pest control workers	77.43%
Water and wastewater treatment plant and system operators	77.38%
Computer numerically controlled tool operators and programmers	77.01%
Radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repairers	76.69%
Painting workers	76.52%
Chemical processing machine setters, operators, and tenders	74.65%
Cost estimators	74.28%
Telecommunications line installers and repairers	74.21%
Chemical engineers	73.68%
Parts salespersons	72.97%
Facilities managers	71.22%
Clergy	70.73%
Architectural and engineering managers	70.71%
Mechanical engineers	70.67%
Police officers	70.56%
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers	69.87%
Refuse and recyclable material collectors	69.35%
Electrical and electronics engineers	69.30%
First-line supervisors of police and detectives	69.13%
Miscellaneous agricultural workers	68.49%
Driver/sales workers and truck drivers	68.15%
Property appraisers and assessors	68.00%
Other drafters	67.75%
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations	67.01%
Electrical and electronic engineering technologists and technicians	67.00%
Stationary engineers and boiler operators	66.68%
Chiropractors	65.95%
Paramedics	65.25%
Crushing, grinding, polishing, mixing, and blending workers	65.23%
Aerospace engineers	65.13%
Other material moving workers	65.10%
Civil engineers	65.09%
First-line supervisors of production and operating workers	64.96%
Surgeons	64.64%
Other engineering technologists and technicians, except drafters	64.14%
Transportation service attendants	64.12%
Transportation, storage, and distribution managers	64.02%
Cutting, punching, and press machine setters, operators, and tenders, metal and plastic	63.96%
Printing press operators	63.68%
Architecture and engineering occupations	63.60%
Computer network architects	63.50%
Industrial truck and tractor operators	62.90%
Industrial production managers	62.85%
Information security analysts	62.74%
Computer, automated teller, and office machine repairers	62.10%
Shuttle drivers and chauffeurs	61.95%
Sales representatives, wholesale and manufacturing	61.58%
Chief executives	60.76%
Butchers and other meat, poultry, and fish processing workers	60.69%
Television, video, and film camera operators and editors	60.36%
Engineers, all other	60.18%
Network and computer systems administrators	60.11%
Sales managers	59.96%
Cleaners of vehicles and equipment	59.84%
Sales representatives of services, except advertising, insurance, financial services, and travel	59.80%
Precision instrument and equipment repairers	59.14%
Musicians and singers	58.67%
Other metal workers and plastic workers	58.19%
Supervisors of transportation and material moving workers	57.30%
Motor vehicle operators, all other	56.63%
Securities, commodities, and financial services sales agents	56.49%
Detectives and criminal investigators	56.49%
First-line supervisors of non-retail sales workers	56.23%
Industrial engineers, including health and safety	56.09%
Production, transportation, and material moving occupations	56.02%
Transportation and material moving occupations	55.98%
Production occupations	55.64%
Protective service occupations	55.25%
Dishwashers	55.08%
Computer programmers	55.06%
Laborers and freight, stock, and material movers, hand	55.05%
Computer support specialists	54.94%
Architects, except landscape and naval	54.65%
Lawyers	54.59%
Personal financial advisors	54.42%
Couriers and messengers	54.15%
First-line supervisors of security workers	53.77%
Computer and information systems managers	53.07%
Parking attendants	52.97%
Other production workers	52.82%
General and operations managers	52.60%
Producers and directors	52.49%
Managers, all other	52.22%
Occupational health and safety specialists and technicians	52.03%
Web developers	51.92%
Cutting workers	51.89%
Other protective service workers	51.89%
Emergency medical technicians	51.87%
Helpers--production workers	51.83%
Computer occupations, all other	51.25%
Barbers	51.20%
Music directors and composers	50.40%
Taxi drivers	49.98%
First-line supervisors of housekeeping and janitorial workers	49.61%
Logisticians	48.74%
Computer hardware engineers	48.67%
Chefs and head cooks	48.64%
Management occupations	48.58%
Computer and mathematical occupations	48.27%
Other designers	47.79%
Inspectors, testers, sorters, samplers, and weighers	47.71%
Chemists and materials scientists	47.67%
Database administrators and architects	47.52%
Coaches and scouts	47.01%
Shipping, receiving, and inventory clerks	46.88%
Correctional officers and jailers	46.70%
Other assemblers and fabricators	46.26%
Project management specialists	45.91%
Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations	45.47%
Advertising and promotions managers	45.33%
Baggage porters, bellhops, and concierges	44.93%
Dentists	44.81%
Purchasing managers	44.52%
Janitors and building cleaners	44.50%
Private detectives and investigators	44.49%
Management, business, and financial operations occupations	44.20%
Software developers	43.92%
Computer systems analysts	43.75%
Stockers and order fillers	43.72%
Directors, religious activities and education	43.61%
Advertising sales agents	43.60%
Cooks	43.59%
Food batchmakers	43.25%
Management analysts	43.16%
Other entertainment attendants and related workers	43.08%
Dispatchers, except police, fire, and ambulance	43.00%
Web and digital interface designers	42.74%
First-line supervisors of retail sales workers	42.14%
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers	42.09%
Photographers	41.93%
Other life, physical, and social science technicians	41.58%
Food processing workers, all other	41.46%
Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations	41.45%
Postal service mail carriers	41.08%
Property, real estate, and community association managers	41.02%
Dining room and cafeteria attendants and bartender helpers	40.75%
Insurance sales agents	40.75%
Retail salespersons	40.32%
Electrical, electronics, and electromechanical assemblers	40.03%
Sales and related occupations	40.01%
Artists and related workers	39.98%
Other physicians	39.86%
Counter and rental clerks	39.78%
Miscellaneous social scientists and related workers	39.43%
Lodging managers	39.35%
Life, physical, and social science occupations	39.24%
Technical writers	39.22%
Legal occupations	39.06%
Production, planning, and expediting clerks	38.80%
Financial and investment analysts	38.51%
Food service managers	38.47%
Probation officers and correctional treatment specialists	37.92%
Dental and ophthalmic laboratory technicians and medical appliance technicians	37.72%
Credit counselors and loan officers	37.62%
Tax examiners and collectors, and revenue agents	37.61%
Management,  professional, and related occupations	37.58%
Physical scientists, all other	37.51%
Postsecondary teachers	37.43%
Wholesale and retail buyers, except farm products	36.95%
Biological scientists	36.90%
Bartenders	36.55%
Sales and related workers, all other	36.50%
Training and development specialists	36.46%
Training and development managers	36.45%
Archivists, curators, and museum technicians	36.44%
Compliance officers	35.66%
Financial managers	35.64%
Business and financial operations occupations	35.26%
Secondary school teachers	34.99%
Tax preparers	34.85%
Operations research analysts	34.79%
Bus drivers, transit and intercity	34.63%
News analysts, reporters, and journalists	34.37%
Graphic designers	34.29%
Public relations specialists	34.23%
Real estate brokers and sales agents	34.17%
Food preparation and serving related occupations	33.87%
Jewelers and precious stone and metal workers	33.70%
Veterinarians	33.40%
Crossing guards and flaggers	33.37%
Professional and related occupations	32.93%
Packaging and filling machine operators and tenders	32.88%
Other mathematical science occupations	32.56%
Packers and packagers, hand	32.52%
Bus drivers, school	32.36%
Marketing managers	32.23%
Reservation and transportation ticket agents and travel clerks	32.01%
Order clerks	31.54%
Financial clerks, all other	31.32%
Claims adjusters, appraisers, examiners, and investigators	31.10%
Food preparation workers	30.94%
Service occupations	30.79%
Mail clerks and mail machine operators, except postal service	30.74%
Purchasing agents, except wholesale, retail, and farm products	30.62%
Market research analysts and marketing specialists	30.25%
Business operations specialists, all other	30.23%
Exercise trainers and group fitness instructors	30.13%
Sales and office occupations	29.99%
Judges, magistrates, and other judicial workers	29.95%
Software quality assurance analysts and testers	29.91%
Pharmacists	29.67%
Writers and authors	29.66%
Insurance underwriters	29.64%
Editors	29.54%
Budget analysts	29.30%
Accountants and auditors	28.99%
Bakers	28.58%
Public relations and fundraising managers	28.58%
Legal support workers, all other	28.58%
Other financial specialists	28.50%
Animal trainers	28.47%
Orderlies and psychiatric aides	28.35%
First-line supervisors of food preparation and serving workers	27.78%
Education and childcare administrators	27.53%
Gambling services workers	27.45%
Other teachers and instructors	27.45%
Physician assistants	27.45%
Physical therapists	26.81%
Cardiovascular technologists and technicians	25.99%
Fast food and counter workers	25.79%
Customer service representatives	25.27%
Flight attendants	25.03%
Waiters and waitresses	24.93%
Travel agents	24.82%
Religious workers, all other	24.79%
Sewing machine operators	24.65%
Door-to-door sales workers, news and street vendors, and related workers	24.39%
Medical scientists	24.19%
Recreation workers	23.79%
Fundraisers	23.76%
Community and social service occupations	23.69%
Physical therapist assistants and aides	23.62%
Miscellaneous health technologists and technicians	23.53%
Radiologic technologists and technicians	23.52%
Social and community service managers	23.42%
Other healthcare practitioners and technical occupations	23.24%
First-line supervisors of office and administrative support workers	23.13%
Title examiners, abstractors, and searchers	22.91%
Loan interviewers and clerks	22.89%
Postal service mail sorters, processors, and processing machine operators	22.72%
Tutors	22.30%
Personal care and service workers, all other	22.04%
Clinical laboratory technologists and technicians	21.93%
Opticians, dispensing	21.88%
Substance abuse and behavioral disorder counselors	21.75%
Education, training, and library occupations	21.43%
Counselors, all other	21.39%
Other psychologists	21.23%
Office and administrative support occupations	21.18%
Office and administrative support workers, all other	21.13%
Respiratory therapists	20.33%
Compensation, benefits, and job analysis specialists	20.33%
Public safety telecommunicators	20.28%
Laundry and dry-cleaning workers	20.27%
Bill and account collectors	20.23%
Graders and sorters, agricultural products	20.22%
Hotel, motel, and resort desk clerks	19.93%
Postal service clerks	19.82%
Cashiers	19.55%
Healthcare practitioners and technical occupations	19.43%
Interpreters and translators	19.21%
Medical and health services managers	19.03%
Court, municipal, and license clerks	19.00%
Human resources workers	19.00%
Mental health counselors	18.62%
Information and record clerks, all other	18.31%
Tellers	18.07%
Healthcare social workers	17.93%
Floral designers	17.86%
Data entry keyers	17.73%
Administrative services managers	17.64%
Other educational instruction and library workers	17.60%
Educational, guidance, and career counselors and advisors	17.46%
Elementary and middle school teachers	17.43%
Librarians and media collections specialists	17.43%
Food servers, nonrestaurant	17.38%
Supervisors of personal care and service workers	17.22%
Surgical technologists	16.45%
Psychiatric technicians	16.14%
Interviewers, except eligibility and loan	16.07%
Animal caretakers	15.79%
Other healthcare support workers	15.72%
Personal care and service occupations	15.55%
Human resources managers	15.15%
File Clerks	15.12%
Pharmacy technicians	15.10%
Insurance claims and policy processing clerks	15.06%
Meeting, convention, and event planners	14.93%
Special education teachers	14.64%
Teaching assistants	14.50%
Interior designers	14.39%
Veterinary assistants and laboratory animal caretakers	14.15%
Social and human service assistants	14.14%
Library assistants, clerical	13.83%
Occupational therapists	13.27%
Bookkeeping, accounting, and auditing clerks	13.05%
Office clerks, general	12.41%
Dietetic technicians and ophthalmic medical technicians	12.34%
Diagnostic medical sonographers	12.12%
Hosts and hostesses, restaurant, lounge, and coffee shop	12.10%
Personal care aides	12.07%
Paralegals and legal assistants	11.87%
Massage therapists	11.22%
Other community and social service specialists	10.82%
Nurse practitioners	10.79%
Social workers, all other	10.73%
Billing and posting clerks	10.20%
Therapists, all other	10.15%
Registered nurses	9.96%
Healthcare support occupations	9.61%
Payroll and timekeeping clerks	9.16%
Veterinary technologists and technicians	9.03%
School psychologists	8.87%
Dietitians and nutritionists	8.63%
Medical records specialists	8.51%
Maids and housekeeping cleaners	8.46%
Child, family, and school social workers	8.37%
Tailors, dressmakers, and sewers	7.90%
Eligibility interviewers, government programs	7.86%
Receptionists and information clerks	7.58%
Home health aides	7.32%
Medical assistants	6.65%
Nursing assistants	6.47%
Phlebotomists	6.40%
Dental assistants	6.38%
Secretaries and administrative assistants, except legal, medical, and executive	6.29%
Hairdressers, hairstylists, and cosmetologists	6.00%
Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurses	5.79%
Speech-language pathologists	4.59%
Dental hygienists	4.41%
Childcare workers	4.19%
Medical secretaries and administrative assistants	3.90%
Manicurists and pedicurists	3.33%
Executive secretaries and executive administrative assistants	3.18%
Preschool and kindergarten teachers	2.59%
Skincare specialists	1.32%

landscapers, laborers and cement finishers would have way different numbers in Arizona, so would all the Ag jobs.

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Originally Posted by HoosierHawk
I'm 15 or so years younger than you, GWB, and am pretty much in the same boat culturally, socially, economically, and ethically.

I've also had similar thoughts since 2020. If MAGA males in this country, who do 95+% of the work that keeps the country running just up and quit, society would fall apart in a matter of days.

Want electricity? Too bad.

Want clean water running to your house? Too bad.

Want gas at the pumps? Too bad.

Want food at the grocery store? Too bad.

Yet MAGA dudes are the only demographic regularly $hit on by all other demographics in the media, political arena, and academia. These useless people are totally dependent upon those they despise. Most of them, I'm sure, have no idea how modern amenities are actually delivered to them, they just know when they flip a switch, the lights come on.

If MAGA shrugged, even if only for one day, I think a lot of people would gain some perspective.

But a lot still wouldn't.

You honestly believe that 9.5 out of 10 workers who make your list happen are MAGA's? what are they supposed to look like?

Let's start with the BLS and see who works what jobs. This is not the best table, but let's see what percent of certain jobs are performed by white males:

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

When we look at how builds stuff and who keeps this nations running, the data is clear. Mechanics, heavy equipment operators, plumbers, electricians, machinests, carpenters, anything to do with construction, water and waste treatment, petroleum engineers (read refineries), firefighters, police, anything to do with your phones, are overwhelmingly performed by white males.

So yea, if MAGA shrugged, it would be a big deal. But if MAGA shrugged, it would be a much bigger deal than some "strong independent" women going without power and water for a few days, it would signal the beginning of a new social order.

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Logging workers	94.27%
Cabinetmakers and bench carpenters	88.74%
Cement masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers	88.60%
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers	88.07%
Automotive body and related repairers	87.74%
Heavy vehicle and mobile equipment service technicians and mechanics	87.34%
Drywall installers, ceiling tile installers, and tapers	87.02%
Electricians	86.80%
First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers	86.77%
Aircraft mechanics and service technicians	86.44%
Electrical power-line installers and repairers	86.39%
Construction equipment operators	86.33%
Sheet metal workers	86.01%
Security and fire alarm systems installers	85.76%
Miscellaneous vehicle and mobile equipment mechanics, installers, and repairers	85.44%
Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters	85.37%
Machinists	85.20%
Carpenters	84.98%
Tree trimmers and pruners	84.40%
Bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists	84.18%
Construction and extraction occupations	83.80%
First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers, and repairers	83.75%
Industrial and refractory machinery mechanics	83.42%
Roofers	83.31%
Construction managers	82.99%
Highway maintenance workers	82.42%
Brickmasons, blockmasons, and stonemasons	82.15%
Carpet, floor, and tile installers and finishers	81.96%
Welding, soldering, and brazing workers	81.64%
Automotive service technicians and mechanics	81.48%
Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations	81.47%
Construction laborers	80.98%
Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations	80.87%
Helpers, construction trades	80.77%
Heating, air conditioning, and refrigeration mechanics and installers	80.77%
Painters and paperhangers	80.71%
Maintenance and repair workers, general	80.29%
Firefighters	80.00%
Other extraction workers	79.70%
Landscaping and groundskeeping workers	79.64%
First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers	79.47%
Glaziers	78.91%
Construction and building inspectors	78.84%
Other installation, maintenance, and repair workers	78.40%
Broadcast, sound, and lighting technicians	77.88%
Crane and tower operators	77.64%
Surveying and mapping technicians	77.52%
Pest control workers	77.43%
Water and wastewater treatment plant and system operators	77.38%
Computer numerically controlled tool operators and programmers	77.01%
Radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repairers	76.69%
Painting workers	76.52%
Chemical processing machine setters, operators, and tenders	74.65%
Cost estimators	74.28%
Telecommunications line installers and repairers	74.21%
Chemical engineers	73.68%
Parts salespersons	72.97%
Facilities managers	71.22%
Clergy	70.73%
Architectural and engineering managers	70.71%
Mechanical engineers	70.67%
Police officers	70.56%
Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers	69.87%
Refuse and recyclable material collectors	69.35%
Electrical and electronics engineers	69.30%
First-line supervisors of police and detectives	69.13%
Miscellaneous agricultural workers	68.49%
Driver/sales workers and truck drivers	68.15%
Property appraisers and assessors	68.00%
Other drafters	67.75%
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations	67.01%
Electrical and electronic engineering technologists and technicians	67.00%
Stationary engineers and boiler operators	66.68%
Chiropractors	65.95%
Paramedics	65.25%
Crushing, grinding, polishing, mixing, and blending workers	65.23%
Aerospace engineers	65.13%
Other material moving workers	65.10%
Civil engineers	65.09%
First-line supervisors of production and operating workers	64.96%
Surgeons	64.64%
Other engineering technologists and technicians, except drafters	64.14%
Transportation service attendants	64.12%
Transportation, storage, and distribution managers	64.02%
Cutting, punching, and press machine setters, operators, and tenders, metal and plastic	63.96%
Printing press operators	63.68%
Architecture and engineering occupations	63.60%
Computer network architects	63.50%
Industrial truck and tractor operators	62.90%
Industrial production managers	62.85%
Information security analysts	62.74%
Computer, automated teller, and office machine repairers	62.10%
Shuttle drivers and chauffeurs	61.95%
Sales representatives, wholesale and manufacturing	61.58%
Chief executives	60.76%
Butchers and other meat, poultry, and fish processing workers	60.69%
Television, video, and film camera operators and editors	60.36%
Engineers, all other	60.18%
Network and computer systems administrators	60.11%
Sales managers	59.96%
Cleaners of vehicles and equipment	59.84%
Sales representatives of services, except advertising, insurance, financial services, and travel	59.80%
Precision instrument and equipment repairers	59.14%
Musicians and singers	58.67%
Other metal workers and plastic workers	58.19%
Supervisors of transportation and material moving workers	57.30%
Motor vehicle operators, all other	56.63%
Securities, commodities, and financial services sales agents	56.49%
Detectives and criminal investigators	56.49%
First-line supervisors of non-retail sales workers	56.23%
Industrial engineers, including health and safety	56.09%
Production, transportation, and material moving occupations	56.02%
Transportation and material moving occupations	55.98%
Production occupations	55.64%
Protective service occupations	55.25%
Dishwashers	55.08%
Computer programmers	55.06%
Laborers and freight, stock, and material movers, hand	55.05%
Computer support specialists	54.94%
Architects, except landscape and naval	54.65%
Lawyers	54.59%
Personal financial advisors	54.42%
Couriers and messengers	54.15%
First-line supervisors of security workers	53.77%
Computer and information systems managers	53.07%
Parking attendants	52.97%
Other production workers	52.82%
General and operations managers	52.60%
Producers and directors	52.49%
Managers, all other	52.22%
Occupational health and safety specialists and technicians	52.03%
Web developers	51.92%
Cutting workers	51.89%
Other protective service workers	51.89%
Emergency medical technicians	51.87%
Helpers--production workers	51.83%
Computer occupations, all other	51.25%
Barbers	51.20%
Music directors and composers	50.40%
Taxi drivers	49.98%
First-line supervisors of housekeeping and janitorial workers	49.61%
Logisticians	48.74%
Computer hardware engineers	48.67%
Chefs and head cooks	48.64%
Management occupations	48.58%
Computer and mathematical occupations	48.27%
Other designers	47.79%
Inspectors, testers, sorters, samplers, and weighers	47.71%
Chemists and materials scientists	47.67%
Database administrators and architects	47.52%
Coaches and scouts	47.01%
Shipping, receiving, and inventory clerks	46.88%
Correctional officers and jailers	46.70%
Other assemblers and fabricators	46.26%
Project management specialists	45.91%
Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations	45.47%
Advertising and promotions managers	45.33%
Baggage porters, bellhops, and concierges	44.93%
Dentists	44.81%
Purchasing managers	44.52%
Janitors and building cleaners	44.50%
Private detectives and investigators	44.49%
Management, business, and financial operations occupations	44.20%
Software developers	43.92%
Computer systems analysts	43.75%
Stockers and order fillers	43.72%
Directors, religious activities and education	43.61%
Advertising sales agents	43.60%
Cooks	43.59%
Food batchmakers	43.25%
Management analysts	43.16%
Other entertainment attendants and related workers	43.08%
Dispatchers, except police, fire, and ambulance	43.00%
Web and digital interface designers	42.74%
First-line supervisors of retail sales workers	42.14%
Security guards and gambling surveillance officers	42.09%
Photographers	41.93%
Other life, physical, and social science technicians	41.58%
Food processing workers, all other	41.46%
Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations	41.45%
Postal service mail carriers	41.08%
Property, real estate, and community association managers	41.02%
Dining room and cafeteria attendants and bartender helpers	40.75%
Insurance sales agents	40.75%
Retail salespersons	40.32%
Electrical, electronics, and electromechanical assemblers	40.03%
Sales and related occupations	40.01%
Artists and related workers	39.98%
Other physicians	39.86%
Counter and rental clerks	39.78%
Miscellaneous social scientists and related workers	39.43%
Lodging managers	39.35%
Life, physical, and social science occupations	39.24%
Technical writers	39.22%
Legal occupations	39.06%
Production, planning, and expediting clerks	38.80%
Financial and investment analysts	38.51%
Food service managers	38.47%
Probation officers and correctional treatment specialists	37.92%
Dental and ophthalmic laboratory technicians and medical appliance technicians	37.72%
Credit counselors and loan officers	37.62%
Tax examiners and collectors, and revenue agents	37.61%
Management,  professional, and related occupations	37.58%
Physical scientists, all other	37.51%
Postsecondary teachers	37.43%
Wholesale and retail buyers, except farm products	36.95%
Biological scientists	36.90%
Bartenders	36.55%
Sales and related workers, all other	36.50%
Training and development specialists	36.46%
Training and development managers	36.45%
Archivists, curators, and museum technicians	36.44%
Compliance officers	35.66%
Financial managers	35.64%
Business and financial operations occupations	35.26%
Secondary school teachers	34.99%
Tax preparers	34.85%
Operations research analysts	34.79%
Bus drivers, transit and intercity	34.63%
News analysts, reporters, and journalists	34.37%
Graphic designers	34.29%
Public relations specialists	34.23%
Real estate brokers and sales agents	34.17%
Food preparation and serving related occupations	33.87%
Jewelers and precious stone and metal workers	33.70%
Veterinarians	33.40%
Crossing guards and flaggers	33.37%
Professional and related occupations	32.93%
Packaging and filling machine operators and tenders	32.88%
Other mathematical science occupations	32.56%
Packers and packagers, hand	32.52%
Bus drivers, school	32.36%
Marketing managers	32.23%
Reservation and transportation ticket agents and travel clerks	32.01%
Order clerks	31.54%
Financial clerks, all other	31.32%
Claims adjusters, appraisers, examiners, and investigators	31.10%
Food preparation workers	30.94%
Service occupations	30.79%
Mail clerks and mail machine operators, except postal service	30.74%
Purchasing agents, except wholesale, retail, and farm products	30.62%
Market research analysts and marketing specialists	30.25%
Business operations specialists, all other	30.23%
Exercise trainers and group fitness instructors	30.13%
Sales and office occupations	29.99%
Judges, magistrates, and other judicial workers	29.95%
Software quality assurance analysts and testers	29.91%
Pharmacists	29.67%
Writers and authors	29.66%
Insurance underwriters	29.64%
Editors	29.54%
Budget analysts	29.30%
Accountants and auditors	28.99%
Bakers	28.58%
Public relations and fundraising managers	28.58%
Legal support workers, all other	28.58%
Other financial specialists	28.50%
Animal trainers	28.47%
Orderlies and psychiatric aides	28.35%
First-line supervisors of food preparation and serving workers	27.78%
Education and childcare administrators	27.53%
Gambling services workers	27.45%
Other teachers and instructors	27.45%
Physician assistants	27.45%
Physical therapists	26.81%
Cardiovascular technologists and technicians	25.99%
Fast food and counter workers	25.79%
Customer service representatives	25.27%
Flight attendants	25.03%
Waiters and waitresses	24.93%
Travel agents	24.82%
Religious workers, all other	24.79%
Sewing machine operators	24.65%
Door-to-door sales workers, news and street vendors, and related workers	24.39%
Medical scientists	24.19%
Recreation workers	23.79%
Fundraisers	23.76%
Community and social service occupations	23.69%
Physical therapist assistants and aides	23.62%
Miscellaneous health technologists and technicians	23.53%
Radiologic technologists and technicians	23.52%
Social and community service managers	23.42%
Other healthcare practitioners and technical occupations	23.24%
First-line supervisors of office and administrative support workers	23.13%
Title examiners, abstractors, and searchers	22.91%
Loan interviewers and clerks	22.89%
Postal service mail sorters, processors, and processing machine operators	22.72%
Tutors	22.30%
Personal care and service workers, all other	22.04%
Clinical laboratory technologists and technicians	21.93%
Opticians, dispensing	21.88%
Substance abuse and behavioral disorder counselors	21.75%
Education, training, and library occupations	21.43%
Counselors, all other	21.39%
Other psychologists	21.23%
Office and administrative support occupations	21.18%
Office and administrative support workers, all other	21.13%
Respiratory therapists	20.33%
Compensation, benefits, and job analysis specialists	20.33%
Public safety telecommunicators	20.28%
Laundry and dry-cleaning workers	20.27%
Bill and account collectors	20.23%
Graders and sorters, agricultural products	20.22%
Hotel, motel, and resort desk clerks	19.93%
Postal service clerks	19.82%
Cashiers	19.55%
Healthcare practitioners and technical occupations	19.43%
Interpreters and translators	19.21%
Medical and health services managers	19.03%
Court, municipal, and license clerks	19.00%
Human resources workers	19.00%
Mental health counselors	18.62%
Information and record clerks, all other	18.31%
Tellers	18.07%
Healthcare social workers	17.93%
Floral designers	17.86%
Data entry keyers	17.73%
Administrative services managers	17.64%
Other educational instruction and library workers	17.60%
Educational, guidance, and career counselors and advisors	17.46%
Elementary and middle school teachers	17.43%
Librarians and media collections specialists	17.43%
Food servers, nonrestaurant	17.38%
Supervisors of personal care and service workers	17.22%
Surgical technologists	16.45%
Psychiatric technicians	16.14%
Interviewers, except eligibility and loan	16.07%
Animal caretakers	15.79%
Other healthcare support workers	15.72%
Personal care and service occupations	15.55%
Human resources managers	15.15%
File Clerks	15.12%
Pharmacy technicians	15.10%
Insurance claims and policy processing clerks	15.06%
Meeting, convention, and event planners	14.93%
Special education teachers	14.64%
Teaching assistants	14.50%
Interior designers	14.39%
Veterinary assistants and laboratory animal caretakers	14.15%
Social and human service assistants	14.14%
Library assistants, clerical	13.83%
Occupational therapists	13.27%
Bookkeeping, accounting, and auditing clerks	13.05%
Office clerks, general	12.41%
Dietetic technicians and ophthalmic medical technicians	12.34%
Diagnostic medical sonographers	12.12%
Hosts and hostesses, restaurant, lounge, and coffee shop	12.10%
Personal care aides	12.07%
Paralegals and legal assistants	11.87%
Massage therapists	11.22%
Other community and social service specialists	10.82%
Nurse practitioners	10.79%
Social workers, all other	10.73%
Billing and posting clerks	10.20%
Therapists, all other	10.15%
Registered nurses	9.96%
Healthcare support occupations	9.61%
Payroll and timekeeping clerks	9.16%
Veterinary technologists and technicians	9.03%
School psychologists	8.87%
Dietitians and nutritionists	8.63%
Medical records specialists	8.51%
Maids and housekeeping cleaners	8.46%
Child, family, and school social workers	8.37%
Tailors, dressmakers, and sewers	7.90%
Eligibility interviewers, government programs	7.86%
Receptionists and information clerks	7.58%
Home health aides	7.32%
Medical assistants	6.65%
Nursing assistants	6.47%
Phlebotomists	6.40%
Dental assistants	6.38%
Secretaries and administrative assistants, except legal, medical, and executive	6.29%
Hairdressers, hairstylists, and cosmetologists	6.00%
Licensed practical and licensed vocational nurses	5.79%
Speech-language pathologists	4.59%
Dental hygienists	4.41%
Childcare workers	4.19%
Medical secretaries and administrative assistants	3.90%
Manicurists and pedicurists	3.33%
Executive secretaries and executive administrative assistants	3.18%
Preschool and kindergarten teachers	2.59%
Skincare specialists	1.32%



Antelope,
I'm trucker biased, our economy is dependent on every nail to hold the structure, I know that.

But truckers are the beams.
The "If you got it a Trucker Brought it" slogan is deceptive.

In understates the importance of trucks.
Trucks and fuel are the chicken or egg of society.
They depend on each other, and without them everything stops.
Folks only think of trucks as the transport of retail goods.
Everything you but has been on a truck, sure.
But it has probably been on a hundred trucks if it is a manufactured good.

A head of lettuce has been on, fertilizer, pesticide, fuel, seed, and several refrigerator trucks. The above items? Have all had multiple components moved by trucks.

My point is if 1/2 of the 68% of truck drivers stopped, the whole dam mess
would collapse in a week.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
None here would fight for fear of the stock market going down slightly.

Smartest post I have ever seen on this forum

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Originally Posted by gregintenn
I already shrugged, but did so with a .gov pension and health insurance. I understand not everyone is able to do that.

I always wanted to try one of John Galt’s cigarettes.

Here you go:
https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/fine-books-manuscripts-n09588/lot.110.html

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I don’t recall them being that expensive in the book. That’s cool though! I never knew those were actually made. Bet they’re good!

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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Antelope,
I'm trucker biased, our economy is dependent on every nail to hold the structure, I know that.

But truckers are the beams.
The "If you got it a Trucker Brought it" slogan is deceptive.

In understates the importance of trucks.
Trucks and fuel are the chicken or egg of society.
They depend on each other, and without them everything stops.
Folks only think of trucks as the transport of retail goods.
Everything you but has been on a truck, sure.
But it has probably been on a hundred trucks if it is a manufactured good.

A head of lettuce has been on, fertilizer, pesticide, fuel, seed, and several refrigerator trucks. The above items? Have all had multiple components moved by trucks.

My point is if 1/2 of the 68% of truck drivers stopped, the whole dam mess
would collapse in a week.

Dillon, it's hard to overstate the importance of the humble trucker and his brethren on in the rail yards, on the docks, and at sea. That data set didn't have number for those later categories, but we all know who does most of those jobs as well.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
How many MAGA's have even read the book or seen the movie?
My guess is 1-2%

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