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Dude, so if you go head over heels on a root ball and said gun is pointing at said lad there are worse endeavors?

Gimme a break...

You better not be offending your mom........


Casey

CAS just gave me a reminder why I keep logging in here. And he can say things MUCH better than I can.

CAS being smarter than you has never been in question.........grin

You go out in your boat and it capsizes and you drown--is it better.....or I have my son and some drunk driver crosses the lane and head-on's me--should I endeavor to never drive at night?

I'm careful, I am aware of where my rifle is pointed, and I think ahead of where my rifle COULD end up pointed.

Casey

No doubt! I'm grateful for all the good info I can get.

Do you have control over another driver? Do you have control of having one in your chamber or not? Do you have control of your rifle should you stumble down a hill?

We can play these games all night, but in the end the only way to be sure that your rifle doesn't shoot someone when you don't have control over it is with an empty chamber.

My ego ain't so big as to be more than willing to acknowledge that I can't always be careful (terrian situations).

Yes, life is risk but I tend to put as much in my favor as possible. I'm assuming the lad doesn't wear a seat belt either, since I'm sure you are a CAREFUL driver?

Isn't it actually the assumption that the gun is "unloaded" that gets most folks in trouble with accidental firearm discharge?

If so, we should treat every firearm as if it is loaded and campfire brother, Steelhead, should not carry a firearm "whilst" walking in ROUGH terrain.

(Pot stirring... in progress)

What the heck is a "terrian situation"?.......


Casey

I'll play some more... why not. :-)

OK, and I have fallen and will fall again. So what? Anyone with any sense at all could look at the rifle I carried HOT all elk season, and fell with a couple times, and see that there's mechanically no way it could fire in such a situation. It was- get this! - designed that way.

-jeff

What rifle might that be?

Calvin... no offence, but what the HELL is going through your head!? You still smoking that legal weed up there or something?

YES I shoot in low light. YES I shoot and hunt in tight quarters. YES I have killed deer that jumped up. NO Butler Ck. scope covers will not keep your lenses dry in a day-long drizzle. YES I get so close to deer that the sound of the safety becomes a concern. What is wierd about any of THAT?

YES I am smart enough to know that first, my rifle and I are perfectly safe with a round chambered, and second, that in the terrain I hunt in, and the quarry I hunt, to have to chamber a round upon seeing a deer would be LUDICROUS. STUPID. IDIOTIC. and it wouldn't work very well as far as killing deer.

I think you are like the anti-gunners who say that since they couldn't handle being around a firearm without freaking out and killing someone, therefore nobody should have them. Apparantly, you are incapable of safe gun handling and therefore are insulting the rest of us, telling us we are flat-out dangerous, because YOU can't do it. Well, that's a YOU problem.

Finally, look at any modern firearm and explain to me how it could fire with the safety on, anyway. You can't.

-jeff

You are a [bleep] idiot, nuff said.

Can't imagine how any safety could fail, or how any gun could be knocked off safe when falling.

Had to keep it quoted so it didn't go anywhere.

Yeah, me and all the other guys hunting with rounds in the chamber are [bleep] idiots. Nice, Steelhead! Way to insult 90% of the hunting world, complete with some VERY safe and experienced hunters.

You are at the pinnacle of arrogance. You have something that works where you hunt- which may I point out is loaded with game- and are then projecting your holier than thou bullshit attitude on the rest of us. Come hunt where I hunt and after a few years of tag soup, the result of chambering a round for no good reason, I think you'd be carrying chambered too. Most likely, you'd give up on hunting if you had to hunt somewhere that game wasn't practically trampling you...

At any rate, this is silly. You are wrong, but you'll never admit it, and it's less amusing the more profane and insulting you get... let's argue about God or something and get truly wound up, instead of this stoopid BS.

Actually, to be clear for the OTHER folks reading this- the rational ones not just looking to amuse themselves by being a jerk- you are not wrong. Nothing wrong with carrying with an empty chamber. Where you ARE wrong is in your stance that it's not possible to hunt safely with a round in the chamber. Wrong.

-jeff

I got scared straight about ten years ago when slipping in on some elk I chambered a round and put the safety on. The herd had moved a little and I had to crawl through a thicket and expected to see them any second. I glanced down and noticed my safety had been pushed into the "FIRE" position while crawling through the brush. I literally felt sick thinking what could have happened.

For some strange reason, accidents are always unexpected.

All I can say is wow. I think they make medication for that....

Calvin, I quoted it for you (and Steelhead, since he's having so much fun with it)... would you care to pick this apart and explain what the problems are? Since I'm insane and you are a genius, and all that. Here it is:

Jeff Olsen says:

"YES I shoot in low light. YES I shoot and hunt in tight quarters. YES I have killed deer that jumped up. NO Butler Ck. scope covers will not keep your lenses dry in a day-long drizzle. YES I get so close to deer that the sound of the safety becomes a concern. What is wierd about any of THAT?

YES I am smart enough to know that first, my rifle and I are perfectly safe with a round chambered, and second, that in the terrain I hunt in, and the quarry I hunt, to have to chamber a round upon seeing a deer would be LUDICROUS. STUPID. IDIOTIC. and it wouldn't work very well as far as killing deer."

Seriously man. Take it apart. I dare ya. You too Steelhead. Let's go!

-jeff

People don't carry cocked and locked? I don't know anyone that hunts without one in the chamber. Interesting.

I take it some of you don't carry concealed, either. Need to have one in the chamber for that. Probably WAY too dangerous.

The posts where people talk about falling or whatever with a chambered round had me rolling! Tons of people get shot that way. Toooo funny!

I wish in my years in an Airborne unit that I would have been told not to chamber a round while negotiating "rough terrain"! "Hey wait Mr. Hostile Force, don't shoot at me yet! I have to chamber a round!" Man, is there some dumb $hit posted on this board!

Here's a tip...if you don't feel safe with one in the chamber, chances are you're not. Don't do it then. I would refrain from telling other people not to chamber a round because of your inexperience, however.

Dude, deer hunting ain't life or death. Carrying with an empty chamber has nothing to do with inexperience. That fact that folks say it is as safe to carry loaded as unloaded is [bleep] funny.

How the [bleep] do you go from deer hunting to COMBAT in one sentence?

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