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Bighorn, yep I don't doubt it. Too much recoil for balsa wood, plain and simple.

Doc,
As much moose meat as I've put away with a .358 winchester, It's hard to beat Ruger's 338 rcm carbine. It already does what you're looking for: a short action "micro-express" rifle.

6.5 lbs with open sights, 7.5 lbs scoped. Holds 4 in the magazine with a simple flip of the mag follower.

Scope is sighted to 225 grain boat tail bullets at 2650.

Open sights are sighted to 275 grain swift A-frames at 2300 fps.

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Did someone say 358Win African?....
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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
Garand,
What I was referring to was the weight.

Obviously the larger caliber ruger Africans have a larger countour barrel, but they're not heavy.

At the recoil level of the 375 ruger and the 416 ruger, the barrel contour is appropriate. I wouldn't want them any lighter.

The Lipsey's African 9.3... was sure made for carryin'.

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Originally Posted by Stump Buster
Did someone say 358Win African?....
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WOW!! .... Nice rifle!

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Originally Posted by Stump Buster
Did someone say 358Win African?....

Okay! You've convinced me that 358 Win is the way to go. Now just move the bolt to the other side of the rifle... grin

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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
This is what Ruger African balsa-wood looks like after a few boxes of factory 416 ruger:

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OK.
You convinced me to replace my tiger-striped Ruger factory balsa wood with a B&C Medalist stock.
Went there and ordered one just now.
There is a "Pre-Christmas" sale on for Dec. 15 & 16, 2022, get 15% off.
$48 comes off at checkout when you buy a $320 stock, it becomes $272 +$15 shipping.

Ruger M77 MKII and Hawkeye Sporter Stock, Long Action, #1055.

https://www.bellandcarlson.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1157

Says it has a "factory Ruger magnum contour" barrel channel.
Maybe no sanding of barrel channel will be required for my rifle.
13.65" LOP and weighs "Approximately 2.0 lbs."
Full 6061-T6 aluminum endoskeleton from grip to forearm tip.

This is the 5th one of the B&C Medalist stocks I have bought.
Very satisfying. I prefer them over the HS Precision of which I have 3.
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350 legend?


That would be BIG seller!

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Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Nothing says Africa like the 280 Ackley.

Which means the next version will be a Creedmoor.

I handled one at a gun show on Saturday. Very tempting and fairly priced.


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How about a .416 Ruger

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Rifle crank, are the pistol grips clubby and slippery on the bell and carlson ruger stocks?

Of the two, which stock hast the narrowest pistol grip?

My main rifle for years, was a CZ 550 kevlar carbine in 9.3x62. It was a B&C stock, pistol grip was all sorta wrong. No biggie, but I do appreciate narrower pistol grips. I got skinny Indian fingers.

9.3 lashed against rear thwart:

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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
Rifle crank, are the pistol grips clubby and slippery on the bell and carlson ruger stocks?

Of the two, which stock hast the narrowest pistol grip?

My main rifle for years, was a CZ 550 kevlar carbine in 9.3x62. It was a B&C stock, pistol grip was all sorta wrong. No biggie, but I do appreciate narrower pistol grips. I got skinny Indian fingers.

9.3 lashed against rear thwart:

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mainer_in_ak,

Sorry for not getting back sooner.
I see the 9.3 in excellent composition above, heh-heh-heh.

I find the B&C stock for Ruger M77 Mk II/Hawkeye is indeed a bit slimmer in the grip than the B&C CZ550 Mag stock.
They do both have palm swells for right-handed shooter.
The HS Precision does not have a palm swell on the old one I got over a decade ago,
yet it is about a half-pound heavier than the B&C Ruger stock.

The B&C CZ stock weighs about 2.5 pounds, same as the HS Precision Ruger stock.
Out of the box, the B&C Ruger stock weighed only 1# 14 oz.
B&C advertised it at "approximately 2.0 pounds" which it is,
if no more than two ounces of epoxy bedding is added, eh ?

I have a couple pictures here, comparing profiles of my old HS Precision on a .458 WM Ruger Mk II
with the new B&C "Medalist" type for the Ruger Hawkeye on a .400 Whelen:

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I will get some more pics comparing the CZ and other views of HS-P and B&C,
and wrap a tape measure around the middle of the grips ...


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H-S Precision at top and B&C below it,
Ruger M77 Mk II and Hawkeye respectively,
H-S Precision is 1/16" smaller circumference in mid pistol grip and has no palm swell,
B&C has palm swell for right hand:

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Then there are these, both B&C-made,
the CZ 550 Magnum is 3/16" bigger in circumference than the Ruger M77 Hawkeye:

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I like the feel of the Ruger better than the CZ.
Besides the 3/16" smaller circumference, the palm swell is further rearward on the Ruger,
maybe not quite as big a hump too,
makes the grip feel more open/slimmer on the Ruger B&C, compared to the CZ B&C.
For about $130 less money, I'll take the B&C Ruger M77 over the H-S Precision,
I consider them very comparable in quality and functionality for me.
Just a matter of what suits the buyer best.

In fact, I didn't know H-S had started making the Ruger Mark II stock again.
It was on-again-off-again with them.
The B&C Ruger Mark II is a very recent addition.
I am glad it is lighter than the old H-S Precision I have.
A report on the weight of a new-made H-S Precision stock for the Ruger Mark II would be interesting.


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Did they ever announce another run of the african Lipsey exclusives?

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I have a first gen 9.3x62, the barrel is fat, the rifle is heavy but boy does it shoot 250 grain Accubonds!

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Mainer: Would the Ruger Alaskan rubber covered factory stock fit? I found after that after the first day in Africa during the dry season the "stickyness" issue was fixed. You could also shave off the rubber coating and use it as fire starter ala Phil Shoemaker.

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Another run of 7x57, 9.3x62 would be nice. I would love to see the 8x57 in an African. There would be a good market for it in Europe and Africa.

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Originally Posted by 8MMX57JS
Another run of 7x57, 9.3x62 would be nice. I would love to see the 8x57 in an African. There would be a good market for it in Europe and Africa.
There'd be at least one sale of 8x57 here in ne wi, despite its department of redundancy department status in my home. A 303 variant would have me whipping out the old velcro wallet way more the faster, though

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Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by OGB
A lefty chambered in something that kills deer and readily available

+2 ... Won't happen. But sweet dreams...

+3.... Wake up Ruger!

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