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I know of at least one 84M done in 6.5-284. I think the 84M action has more than a 4% safety margin. Here's one in 284 https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...tana-284-winchester.cfm?gun_id=102006461
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I don’t know about “best”, but it’s very, very good in my opinion, and highly under appreciated by the general hunting public. I always get the deer in the headlights look when someone asks me what I am shooting and I respond “a .284”.
My semi-custom has a mag that will allow 2.93” COL. The recipe of a 140-gr TTSX over 53 grs of R17 give me 3100 fps, and under 3” groups at 400.
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Unfortunately, I keep coming back to this thread. Anyone ever make a short action Montana in .284? I happen to have an extra laying around.   Not enough meat on the action apparently, do some research and you'll find some threads on here about it. I was going to do just that project and gave up on it because of the info. In addition seems like to really get what the cartridge offers you need a long action otherwise just stick with the 7-08 or go for the 7 SAUM That rings a bell now.
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Unfortunately, I keep coming back to this thread. Anyone ever make a short action Montana in .284? I happen to have an extra laying around. Here you go. Stick offered up the pictures as a good explanation as to why it won't work. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/17847823/1
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Thanks. I'm sticking with the 7-08. Then again, in 2 years or so I'll think, "Hey, what about a .284?" Then I'll come back to my senses and keep shooting my 7-08's.
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Melvin Forbes probably made the 284 as popular as anyone. I spoke with him in Nashville at the 2015 nra something or another. He spoke highly of the 284 but we agreed a 708 is easier and just as good. He said he built his daughter in law a 260 to take to Africa.
The 284 sucks in a short action and isn’t the only option for a long action. I think the SAUM\6.5PRC case is the new 284 case.
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.284 Winchester doesn't run well in a short-action. Neither do its variants to be honest. You really need 3.0" of magazine to have a repeater. There really is no advantage that is tangible to any other cartridge in its class. Instead about worrying about the perfect cartridge, worry more about the perfect bullet.
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Not arguing here, but If you look at my post above about my 284 with a magazine allowing a 2.93” COL, tell me what about it isn’t running well. We’ve been inundated with talk of long, sleek bullets with high B.C.’s. long mag’s and chambers to match, but none of that matters to 300 yards. It barely matters to 400. The longest range I’ve taken a game animal was at 500 yds. and it was with this 284 and that load. Worked fine.
Presumably, we’re talking hunting on this thread where all this “short mag, short throat, deep-seated bullets”, hardly matters at all. Not 1000 yd matches where all this stuff does in fact matter.
By far most big game is taken under 300 yds, and maybe at much less than that.
The 284 is well-balanced as can be said of many others, with moderate recoil, “standard” case capacity, and can easily be made into very light, accurate rifles. And, it’s an original.
One cannot always count on the general hunting public to recognize a good thing, or depend upon gun makers to appropriately match cartridge/shotshell to its platform. Note the resurgence of the once dead 16 and 28 ga’s now on lighter size-appropriate frames.
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Not arguing here, but If you look at my post above about my 284 with a magazine allowing a 2.93” COL, tell me what about it isn’t running well. We’ve been inundated with talk of long, sleek bullets with high B.C.’s. long mag’s and chambers to match, but none of that matters to 300 yards. It barely matters to 400. The longest range I’ve taken a game animal was at 500 yds. and it was with this 284 and that load. Worked fine.
Presumably, we’re talking hunting on this thread where all this “short mag, short throat, deep-seated bullets”, hardly matters at all. Not 1000 yd matches where all this stuff does in fact matter.
By far most big game is taken under 300 yds, and maybe at much less than that.
The 284 is well-balanced as can be said of many others, with moderate recoil, “standard” case capacity, and can easily be made into very light, accurate rifles. And, it’s an original.
One cannot always count on the general hunting public to recognize a good thing, or depend upon gun makers to appropriately match cartridge/shotshell to its platform. Note the resurgence of the once dead 16 and 28 ga’s now on lighter size-appropriate frames. EXACTLY!!!!!! GreggH
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The 284 Winchester requires a big commitment to build right and maintain loadings for. In reality, even though a 3.0” magazine/chamber will greatly enhance capability, a longer COAL could be produced to take full advantage (back to LA) of 7mm BC heavy for caliber projectiles. Combine all the idiosyncrasies plus hunting for brass and new barrel and twist rate and you have a big commitment.
Some rifleman are fine with that much commitment and it would be, perhaps, very satisfying to use on game. The 7mm-08 would do pretty much the same thing under hunting conditions, however you’d still need to take an off-the-rack rifle in 7mm-08, in most cases, dump the typical 9.5 twist and throw an 8.5 or 8 on it to get the best out of it. Obviously, it would do fine with a 9.5 for hunting needs, but the twist craze and heavy for caliber bullets may make for having to scratch that itch.
Lastly it’s the 308 Win that is the easy SA decision for big game hunting. Comes with a 10 twist off-the-rack that can shoot 110 grain bullets at 3,400 fps and 200 grains at 2,450 fps and anything in between for just about any occasion for long range and woods range. As balance goes it’s still a tack driver with 17% more frontal area over the 6.5mm and 8.5% more than the 7mm with no muss no fuss having plenty of load data, components and ammunition galore.
Some SA or quasi SA chambers take more commitment to utilize, the 308 Win is not one of them and therefore is more perfect in my opinion.
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No one said the 284 isn’t good. If we’re going to argue that the 284 case is totally fine to 400 yards then what is it’s advantages over the 708 at those distances? If using a long action what’s the appeal over a 280? I like the case I just think the saum case is a much better case.
This is coming from a huge 6.5-284 fan. I’m sentimental to a 6.5-284 but I also realize it’s not much faster than a 260 or 6.5 creedmoor in a shorter barrel. A 6.5 prc is a better case that does a little more without a long action and questionable feeding.
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Not arguing here, but If you look at my post above about my 284 with a magazine allowing a 2.93” COL, tell me what about it isn’t running well. We’ve been inundated with talk of long, sleek bullets with high B.C.’s. long mag’s and chambers to match, but none of that matters to 300 yards. It barely matters to 400. The longest range I’ve taken a game animal was at 500 yds. and it was with this 284 and that load. Worked fine.
Presumably, we’re talking hunting on this thread where all this “short mag, short throat, deep-seated bullets”, hardly matters at all. Not 1000 yd matches where all this stuff does in fact matter.
By far most big game is taken under 300 yds, and maybe at much less than that.
The 284 is well-balanced as can be said of many others, with moderate recoil, “standard” case capacity, and can easily be made into very light, accurate rifles. And, it’s an original.
One cannot always count on the general hunting public to recognize a good thing, or depend upon gun makers to appropriately match cartridge/shotshell to its platform. Note the resurgence of the once dead 16 and 28 ga’s now on lighter size-appropriate frames. Agree 100%, but that also makes a perfect case for just using a 7-08 in the first place.
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Not arguing here, but If you look at my post above about my 284 with a magazine allowing a 2.93” COL, tell me what about it isn’t running well. We’ve been inundated with talk of long, sleek bullets with high B.C.’s. long mag’s and chambers to match, but none of that matters to 300 yards. It barely matters to 400. The longest range I’ve taken a game animal was at 500 yds. and it was with this 284 and that load. Worked fine.
Presumably, we’re talking hunting on this thread where all this “short mag, short throat, deep-seated bullets”, hardly matters at all. Not 1000 yd matches where all this stuff does in fact matter.
By far most big game is taken under 300 yds, and maybe at much less than that.
The 284 is well-balanced as can be said of many others, with moderate recoil, “standard” case capacity, and can easily be made into very light, accurate rifles. And, it’s an original.
One cannot always count on the general hunting public to recognize a good thing, or depend upon gun makers to appropriately match cartridge/shotshell to its platform. Note the resurgence of the once dead 16 and 28 ga’s now on lighter size-appropriate frames. If you're only shooting to 300 or 400 yards, what does it do that a 7mm-08 won't do?
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Not much. I didn’t represent it as superior to the 7-08 which I consider a very good cartridge also. I’d say the 284 to the 7-08 is analogous to the ‘06 to the 308, not in COL, but in relative case capacities.
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The 284 Winchester requires a big commitment to build right and maintain loadings for. In reality, even though a 3.0” magazine/chamber will greatly enhance capability, a longer COAL could be produced to take full advantage (back to LA) of 7mm BC heavy for caliber projectiles. Combine all the idiosyncrasies plus hunting for brass and new barrel and twist rate and you have a big commitment.
Some rifleman are fine with that much commitment and it would be, perhaps, very satisfying to use on game. The 7mm-08 would do pretty much the same thing under hunting conditions, however you’d still need to take an off-the-rack rifle in 7mm-08, in most cases, dump the typical 9.5 twist and throw an 8.5 or 8 on it to get the best out of it. Obviously, it would do fine with a 9.5 for hunting needs, but the twist craze and heavy for caliber bullets may make for having to scratch that itch.
Lastly it’s the 308 Win that is the easy SA decision for big game hunting. Comes with a 10 twist off-the-rack that can shoot 110 grain bullets at 3,400 fps and 200 grains at 2,450 fps and anything in between for just about any occasion for long range and woods range. As balance goes it’s still a tack driver with 17% more frontal area over the 6.5mm and 8.5% more than the 7mm with no muss no fuss having plenty of load data, components and ammunition galore.
Some SA or quasi SA chambers take more commitment to utilize, the 308 Win is not one of them and therefore is more perfect in my opinion. I played around with a 375 Winchester in a Savage 99, at 500 yards. Not as hard to hit as you would think.
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My point regarding commitment is not so much about shooting and making hits but more about choosing to build a 284 Win (expense, time, etc.) verses buying a 308 Win off the rack. In looking at the two the 308 Win is a true SA and may arguably have the edge on the 284 Win in more ways than one. It’s not hard to shoot sub MOA with just about any plain Jane inexpensive 308 Win rifle, especially a turn bolt. Again my point is for the average hunter in the field what more is needed to achieve best bang for the buck when all things are considered. While the 284 Win certainly has a ballistic advantage over the 308 Win, the 308 Win is as accurate as any and in the right hands can dust targets at 700 meters all day.
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They both drill targets at 1000 yards just fine to. The .284 just uses a little less windage on the rear sight.
Too close for irons, switching to scope...
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It's a semi-unique round, but in real life, it does nothing different than a 270, 280 or 7-08 does................nothing.
But it's cool factor is high.
MM Take out the 7-08 and it does exactly what it was designed to do. Which is what? Equal the performance of the 270 & 280? MM Mainly the .270, but yes.
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I had a 284, built on a 600 action, no advantage over my 7-08 and at the same time had a very accurate 280(yes I like 7mm's) and getting brass even then was tough in the 284. To me and what I hunt and where, the 7-08 is ideal. Now my only issue is to get the ideal rifle, that's like a unicorn for me.
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How about the 284 Improved (6.5x284) and Improved Again (6.5 RPM)?
I love the 6.5 RPM.
I have a box of vintage Winchester 284 ammo... just waiting for me to someday acquire a 284.
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