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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Okay, consensus time:

What is the origin of the problem?

How do we fix it, if possible?




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Origin…

1866 Black folk after slaver times were allowed to own property, but most couldn’t afford it. Bypassing the Civil Rights Movement era and fast forward to the 1980’s and into the 1990’s, black folks who owned property and needed to expand or were trying to secure loans to purchase new land were discriminated against and denied loans at many county level, USDA offices. See Black Farmers lawsuit. Lack of securing loans, many blacks lost their land back to the counties - then the land was sold to white farmers. Brand new loans were rarely given out.

Housing loans were handled much in the same way as land loans. Discrimination, hidden behind obvious tactics of ‘we’re out of loan applications’ or ‘take a seat and we’ll be with you’ turned into, ‘We’re sorry, we don’t do loan appointments after 1PM’. ‘Come back again’. Then another round of excuses were given if they returned to prevent blacks from getting loans.

Government subsidies for food and housing became a primary source of survival for black’s in most inner cities across the US. Increases of subsidies by Democrats created generational dependency upon the ‘system’.

Cultural beliefs within black communities that it’s the ‘white man’s game’ became their reality. Their situation turned into ‘who gives a fûck - I just want to get mine.’ Third generation welfare has become a job they fulfill by providing votes in return for more subsidies.

Fix…

Increase financial aide into poor communities by building out better housing, improvement in surrounding, community supporting businesses - not more gas & sip, weed/liquor or Dollar General Stores, but rather better grocery stores, hardware stores, and industrial complexes that would hire locally.

Work with community leaders and youth mentors making them aware that within a 3-5 year period of time all .gov subsidies would be reduced. No more extra income for additional children. Workshops for trade schools, educational opportunities, and job training with placement. Develop training classes on work ethics, and begin building a foundation on a moral ethos that has been lost within these poorer communities.

Applying the ‘carrot or the stick’ with 100% buy in from community leaders, by policing their own with strong, firm guidelines that needs to followed. Couple this with police involvement to knock down all criminal resentment towards this radical change.

Provide a ‘carrot’ of a good education/trade skill that offers a good living standard of pay with health benefits.

Those individuals who refuse or try to abuse the system and opportunities being offered will suffer the consequences by losing their subsidies, housing, their children, and find themselves on the street, homeless, in jail or going directly into the military for 4 years as a form of public service.

This program wouldn’t be exclusive to only black folks, but any race of people who are living long term off the tit of .gov.

Would it work? Fûck if I know…But I know it would be cheaper to provide the above with training and jobs rather than continue to subsidize families with working age individuals for another 3 generations.

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Originally Posted by deflave
I think some of you need to read more history books.

Do you think any one of you would have done well walking around Hell's Kitchen in the 19th century? How about the Irish slums of Chicago in the same timeframe? Do you think that area was mostly occupied by black Americans? Or were they mostly white? Do you think the occupants of that section in New York and Chicago were inexplicably violent? Do you think they lacked emotional maturity? Do you think there were a lot of good paying jobs in that part of New York and Chicago?

Put another way, if I were to place one of your Portland, Missouri, or Iowa dwelling asses into an all white prison system, do you think you would fare very well? Do you think the white's in those prisons would be inexplicably violent? Have little to no impulse control? Or do you think they'd all be happy to embrace Lil James the Schit Kicker because they're all white?

The reason slums create vast numbers of violent and impulsive individuals is because slums create a "kill or be killed" culture as opposed to a "live and let live" culture. Slums are prisons. Slums are slavery. If you put generation upon generation into slums, they will invariably come out as a violent and impulsive end product. And the fix will require generations of opportunity (for those that survive the transition) to rise out of the enslaved culture that a slum produces.

The big difference in today's culture is that there is no real motivation to move out of these kill or be killed environments due to government hand outs and the leftists agenda of not only keeping slum dwellers in the slums, but expanding their numbers. That is why nobody moves out and up, or if they do it's extremely rare. History shows that the English, Irish and Italians were just as vicious and impulsive when they were funneled into American Ghettos. The big difference was that if you did not move out, and up, you would starve and die in those ghettos. The welfare system of today (the very system people like Lil James vote for) produces, maintains, and expands black ghettos. That's why so many black Americans remain dissproportionally violent and impulsive in the United States.

And if our own immigrant stories are not evidence enough for you, just look at a modern Indian Reservation in the United States. They've been welfare'd into a puddle of worthlessness. Indian Reservations not only tend to be full of violent and emotionally immature people. They frequently fugk their own children and think nothing of it. The incest and sexual assault statistics on a reservation are higher than any state, to include Oregon. This same degenerate, child fugking, end product is going to be produced by our current onslaught of illegal immigration. And that is exactly what a leftist like GayGhost or Sycawhore want. They want more slaves.

So the answer to all this (the real answer) is to push jobs back into the inner cities and suburbia in an effort to stop the growth of welfare. That's the only answer. Anybody that proposes something else, is a fugking idiot.

Rest assured the evil people of this world laugh their ass off when they watch a pack of fugking morons, moan on and on about what black people are, and are not capable of. These type of people play right into their puppet strings because most people are stupid. Flave on the other hand, is wise. Flave is all-knowing. Flave is God. And Flave knows the real solution to all these social and economic problems.

That solution is capitalism. AKA jobs. AKA expansion of the middle-class.



You're Welcome

-Flave


PS - The only demographic that legally thrives even after being forced into slums, are Jews.

Put that in your Klan hood and smoke it.


In the spirit of your prison example, one might not need to look at history. There are plenty of contemporary examples of ultra violent, crime ridden communities from much more racially, ethnically, and culturally homogeneous countries than the US. The great melting pot that is our America makes for a diversity not seen in many countries. This was, after all, the intent of its founders. America's ethnic and racial diversity isn't the cause of her murder rate. Not that you've argued as much.

For example, racial diversity is relatively new to Europe, as they've seen widespread immigration from Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, since the end of the Cold War. That said, while ethnic diversity in Europe has increased substantially in the last three decades, European racial diversity still pales in comparison to the US.

Look to any country with a large wealth disparity and ethnic and/or racial homogeneity and you will find violent slums. Take Poland for example. Poland is inhabited by 96.88% Poles. The next largest group is Silesians (basically Prussian flavored Poles) at 1.13%. After that there are Germans at 0.19% and Ukranians at 0.10%. These are the big ones and they're tiny. Beyond them, Poland's ethnic diversity is sprinkled with Russians, Italians, French, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Czechs, Slovaks, and Jews represented in hundredths or thousandths of a percent each. Further, these are variations in ethnicity, not race. Poland is very caucasian (white). It's not until you get to the Vietnamese and maybe Armenian populations that you start to see any racial diversity. Again, Poland is super racially homogeneous.

Regarding income disparity in Poland, the top 1% has tripled their share of the pie since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They now account for 15% of annual earnings. In the same period the top 10% has increased their share from 22% to 38%, while the bottom 50% of earners went from taking home 28% in 1989 to 19% in 2020. Comparing Poland to the US, while Poland's top 1% increased their share of earnings by 3x, in the US the top 1% only increased their share by 2x since 1989.

Regarding crime...

In 2020, Poland with a population of 38,265,013, suffered 272 murders. That's 0.71 murders per 100,000.

Compare this with the murder rate in India, which is famous for it's wealth disparity, at 2.1/ 100,000.

Meanwhile the 2020 US murder rate was 6.52/100,000.

I don't have time right now, but looking at the correlation of murder rates to wealth disparity and overall wealth across countries for the last 50 years might further demonstrate your point.


Finally, Jews aren't the only demographic group that's thrived in slums. Homosexuals have spent the last forty years quite successfully gentrifying every city in America.


Originally Posted by 16penny
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Just go back 75 years of their culture in Africa and you have your answer

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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Okay, consensus time:

What is the origin of the problem?

How do we fix it, if possible?




P

Origin…

1866 Black folk after slaver times were allowed to own property, but most couldn’t afford it. Bypassing the Civil Rights Movement era and fast forward to the 1980’s and into the 1990’s, black folks who owned property and needed to expand or were trying to secure loans to purchase new land were discriminated against and denied loans at many county level, USDA offices. See Black Farmers lawsuit. Lack of securing loans, many blacks lost their land back to the counties - then sold to white farmers. Brand new loans were rarely given out.

Housing loans were handled much in the same way as land loans. Discrimination, hidden behind obvious tactics of ‘we’re out of loan applications’ or ‘take a seat and we’ll be with you’ turned into, ‘We’re sorry, we don’t do loan appointments after 1PM’. ‘Come back again’. Then another round of excuses were given if they returned to prevent blacks from getting loans.

Government subsidies for food and housing became the primary way of survival for black’s in most inner cities across the US. Increases of subsidies by Democrats created generational dependency upon the ‘system’.

Cultural beliefs within black communities that it’s a white man’s game’ became their reality. Their situation turned into ‘who gives a fûck - I just want to get mine.’ Third generation welfare has become a job and a role they play by providing votes in return for more subsidies.

Fix…

Increase financial aide into poor communities by building out better housing, improvement in surrounding, community supporting businesses - not more gas & sip, weed/liquor or Dollar General Stores, but rather better grocery stores, hardware stores, and industrial complexes that would hire locally.

Work with community leaders and youth mentors making them aware that within a 3-5 year period of time all .gov subsidies would be reduced. No more extra income for additional children. Workshops for trade schools, educational opportunities, and job training with placement. Develop training classes on work ethics, and begin building a foundation on moral ethos that has been lost within these poorer communities.

Applying the ‘carrot or the stick’ with 100% buy in from community leaders, by policing their own with strong, firm guidelines that needs to followed. Couple this with police involvement to knock down all criminal resentment towards this radical change.

Provide a ‘carrot’ of a good education/trade skill that offers a good living standard of pay with health benefits.

Those individuals who refuse or try to abuse the system and opportunities being offered will suffer the consequences by losing their housing, their children, and find themselves on the street, homeless, in jail or going directly into the military for 4 years as a form of public service.

This program wouldn’t be exclusive to only black folks, but any race of people who are living long term off the tit of .gov.

Would it work? Fûck if I know…But I know it would be cheaper to provide the above with training and jobs rather than continue to subsidize families with working age individuals for another 3 generations.

🦫

It's not that complicated.

Actually, it's much more complicated, but that's just a distraction.

Government needs to take their foot off the scale.

A flourishing and vibrant society is the byproduct of a citizenry pursuing their individual happiness.


Originally Posted by 16penny
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So blecks can steal and kill at will.?

Well, citizens pushing their own individual happiness. whistle

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Originally Posted by blanket
Just go back 75 years of their culture in Africa and you have your answer

I don't know what this means.



75 years ago in Europe millions of people were systematically murdered.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
So blecks can steal and kill at will.?

Don't be daft.


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You said individuals can pursue their own happiness, not me.

We already give them free food, medical, housing, color TV and A/fughking C and the fughkers aren't thankful or happy.

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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
So blecks can steal and kill at will.?

Well, citizens pushing their own individual happiness. whistle

You're the Campfire's Abba Kovner.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
You said individuals can pursue their own happiness, not me.

We already give them free food, medical, housing, color TV and A/fughking C and the fughkers aren't thankful or happy.

Maybe they need a dose of reality.

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"going directly into the military for 4 years as a form of public service."

Isn't the military fugged up enough already without absorbing a bunch of worthless scum who don't have enough self respect to be responsible citizens? Do you really want that kind of people defending your freedom?


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
You said individuals can pursue their own happiness, not me.

Fundamental to our social contract is that we believe all people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.". It's assumed that whereas any competing interests or obligations are concerned, regarding these rights, that healthy, self actualized adults are constituted so that they may navigate them.


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The black culture has always been one of violence. Look at the uprising in SA starting in 1950s until today

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I'm a firm believer that no solution can involve making swaths of society public employees.

Public service is wholly undermined when it's co-opted as a safe haven from discrimination.


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Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by jaguartx
You said individuals can pursue their own happiness, not me.

Fundamental to our social contract is that we believe all people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.". It's assumed that whereas any competing interests or obligations are concerned, regarding these rights, that healthy, self actualized adults are constituted so that they may navigate them.

So they are free to rob, rape and pillage

HEY, pursuit of happiness.

Last edited by jaguartx; 12/31/22.

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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

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Originally Posted by blanket
Prison culture has always been one of violence.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by jaguartx
You said individuals can pursue their own happiness, not me.

Fundamental to our social contract is that we believe all people have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.". It's assumed that whereas any competing interests or obligations are concerned, regarding these rights, that healthy, self actualized adults are constituted so that they may navigate them.

So they are free to rob, rape and pillage

HEY, pursuit of happiness.


Did they have civics class in Texas?

I'll admit the Regan Administration's influence on my public education. Will you admit what influenced yours?


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I can tell most of you ain’t ever spent much time in Africa. They haven’t ever gotten out of a mud hut no matter how much the dogooders and churches have given them. It’s pretty simple, DNA. NBN, ain’t ever going to change, different animal. Today’s American’s don’t remember what a niqqer looks like. Today’s niqqers all have white blood in them. Any with any sense have white blood in them. Only thing this hybrid cross vigor has been good for is for sports. They’re still stupid. We didn’t come down out of the same tree. You’ve been lied too. Don’t be a fool. White’s Right. MAGA
We don’t have a crime practice problem, we have a niqqer problem. America needs to wake up. You can’t negotiate with a niqqer. Just shoot the bastards. Only way to handle any feral animal or invasive species. This post Will probably be deleted. Lol MAGA

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Biggest problem is 75% of blacks don’t know who daddy is. Liberals have marginalized fathers to irrelevance and pay brood sows to have more and more black bastards. Stop subsidizing bad behavior. 50 years ago intact black families had crime rates similar to whites.

14 YO boys need their asses kicked a few times to knock their schitt off. My dad obliged me a couple times at that age as did my buddies dads for them when we were little arseholes. We all learned the lesson and straightened up. Mammy just can’t do that. Adolescent boys need a strong male role model.

The problem with elephants


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