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There is a book with a great title that says it all: “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”.
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Garhering in Church serves two purposes. It keeps folks available for weekly brain washing reinforcement. I've never been subjected to "brainwashing" in church.
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Fallable people searching for a solution to their condition, a meaning to life and answers to unanswerable questions .....
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When we put worldly conformity first and the Lord's cause second...
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Islam seems to be doing better these days
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Islam seems to be doing better these days
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Newsflash.......people screw up everything they get involved with. Is this something new?
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Something caused all of this to happen. Self aware beings made out of meat didn't just spontaneously erupt up out a barren rock spinning through the universe. And yet people who can't believe that to be true turn around and in the next breath and profess their belief in a God that apparently sprang forth from nothing. Attributing the creation of the universe to a god doesn't solve any grand mystery. Because the question simply shifts to, "Where did this god come from?" What made him?
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God, an inexplicable explanation for an inexplicable question: the existence of a universe.
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Something caused all of this to happen. Self aware beings made out of meat didn't just spontaneously erupt up out a barren rock spinning through the universe. And yet people who can't believe that to be true turn around and in the next breath and profess their belief in a God that apparently sprang forth from nothing. Attributing the creation of the universe to a god doesn't solve any grand mystery. Because the question simply shifts to, "Where did this god come from?" What made him? My hospital and the local heath department have vaccinated a hell of a lot of people for covid 19. Not a single problem so far.
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Because the vast majority of what is presented as Christianity ain't.
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Why do you men think people are leaving it nowadays…? What are some of the reasons that you men think people simply don’t believe it anymore, or no longer find it attractive…? Between all the "new" translations of The Bible , The knowledge of what the Papists have been up to all along and what some of Gods chosen people are up to generally.... Dont get me wrong , I still believe , more than ever in fact. It came to me that a God that can be as precisely defined as people say he is between two leather covers containing 1250 pages , is limited by the description within those pages and then limited again by how people interpret or comprehend the same ? Even naming God is an attempt to define God and somehow places the limit of human comprehension on God as I see things. The Gnostics and Kabbalists hint at it. The entity Ive come to believe in is without limit or parameter or definition. It simply "Is". Nothing actual can be apart from "Is". Is , is every atom , and the space between the particles. "Is" created the universe, remember? This belief simplifies it considerably. My part is to be reverent, forgiving and grateful. My part is to Love Is and treat everyone the way I'd want to be treated and I fail at that ,miserably , every day, if I were being honest. Learning to forgive others with the same short coming is where I'm trying to work in order that I may be forgiven. I suck at that too. We are the journey, "Is" , is the destination. Everything else is superfluous. Others mileage will likely vary.
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[quote=antlers]Why do you men think people are leaving it nowadays…? What are some of the reasons that you men think people simply don’t believe it anymore, or no longer find it attractive…? Between all the "new" translations of The Bible , The knowledge of what the Papists have been up to all along and what some of Gods chosen people are up to generally.... Dont get me wrong , I still believe , more than ever in fact. It came to me that a God that can be as precisely defined as people say he is between two leather covers containing 1250 pages , is limited by the description within those pages and then limited again by how people interpret or comprehend the same ? Even naming God is an attempt to define God and somehow places the limit of human comprehension on God as I see things. The Gnostics and Kabbalists hint at it. The entity Ive come to believe in is without limit or parameter or definition. It simply "Is". Nothing actual can be apart from "Is". Is , is every atom , and the space between the particles. "Is" created the universe, remember? This belief simplifies it considerably. My part is to be reverent, forgiving and grateful. My part is to Love Is and treat everyone the way I'd want to be treated and I fail at that ,miserably , every day, if I were being honest. Learning to forgive others with the same short coming is where I'm trying to work in order that I may be forgiven. I suck at that too. We are the journey, "Is" , is the destination. Everything else is superfluous. Others mileage will likely vary.[/quote You should read the Tao Te Ching.
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I struggle with faith every day. I want there to be a god but my common sense side reminds me organized religion is the biggest farce ever created by mankind. Churches simply suck and most members are cliquish to say the least. Every religion believes it is their way or the highway. If there is one god and perfect religion who is to say which one it is? My God is still living, those others are dead. And this attitude is the problem right here folks. People smugly spouting bullshit they cannot back up. How does one "back up" a conviction based on faith?
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Something caused all of this to happen. Self aware beings made out of meat didn't just spontaneously erupt up out a barren rock spinning through the universe. And yet people who can't believe that to be true turn around and in the next breath and profess their belief in a God that apparently sprang forth from nothing. Attributing the creation of the universe to a god doesn't solve any grand mystery. Because the question simply shifts to, "Where did this god come from?" What made him? Are you assuming that professing Christians are on a quest to solve some Grand Mystery?
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Because the vast majority of what is presented as Christianity ain't. It might be interesting to see and analyze your proof for the above.
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I struggle with faith every day. I want there to be a god but my common sense side reminds me organized religion is the biggest farce ever created by mankind. Churches simply suck and most members are cliquish to say the least. Every religion believes it is their way or the highway. If there is one god and perfect religion who is to say which one it is? My God is still living, those others are dead. And this attitude is the problem right here folks. People smugly spouting bullshit they cannot back up. How does one "back up" a conviction based on faith? By cutting off your head if you don't agree.
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Why do you men think people are leaving it nowadays…? What are some of the reasons that you men think people simply don’t believe it anymore, or no longer find it attractive…? Western Christianity is empty, hollow, in disarray and has little offer. Anytime there's a fracture within a congregation, any jack-ass with a Bible under their arm can call themselves a "preacher" and is free to go out and reinvent it in their own image and start a new "church". Everytime that happens, it dilutes what The Church was supposed to be and becomes another degree removed from it.
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Could have something to do with closet gay preachers and the fact that churches need preachers bad enough that they hire such and find out later
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Church is not a museum of Saints, rather a hospital for sinners. This is our teaching too. Although we do have saints on display.
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