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Thank you!

If you want, you can make adjustable stands out of old modified sheet music stands.

There's a half dozen of these here that get used a lot at my local range....picked them up used for about $8 ea. Since our target frames at 200 are higher than the 100 (you shoot over the top of the 100 yd. target frames), I extended the main tube on 3 of them. For the pivot pin, I used a 1/4-20 coupling nut and drilled out one side of the threads until it fit over the shaft and then JB Welded it on. For the pivot pin, it's just a long 1/4-20 bolt with a non threaded area on the shank. Cut the head off, polish it up and you're good to go. Some I've rounded off and some have been left flat. If the flag is balanced, it doesn't make much difference.

Ran into that issue at a couple ranges especially when getting out to 300. So my fix, since the adjustable extensions on Keeney or most others come out of the main stand tube I took a 6–12 foot paint roller extension, cut the threads off square. Drilled that end a little undersize so I could make the final fit tight. Crude but



With Keeney inserted



Which then puts my large Keeney flags up to 13 feet. Very stable once anchored meaning they wouldn’t sway in the wind like some of the more popular and expensive poles going that high




Had the same for Grahams but they went bye bye.

I know how you feel! We had a stiff 12mph fishtailing headwind last Thursday at my 1000 yard Palma practice. Hard to keep up some days...

Pretty salty shooting in those conditions! -Al

Drives a guy batty at times!
Last summer a guy was watching me shoot at 1,000 with my 308.I was doing fairly well with it when he pipes up" You need to hold over about 8" to the left"
WTH??!! I looked up and said " You wanna strap into this rig and SHOW ME how t hold over 8 inches with these irons?" LOL
Cat

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.

Yup, one of my Mentors ( Paul Reibin) mentioned to me once when we were talking about a crazy wind day.
" Yes Sir, you don't need a crowbar to separate the boys from the girls when the wind starts blowing!" LOL
When guys complain about not being able to shoot well in the wind I simply tell them to wait around a bit, its sure to change!
Cat

A couple years ago I was playing at 600 yards with my 6br. Shooting out of my garage . I shot a group and drove down to check it out. It was about where I expected with the 5 mph cross wind. Looked at my wind sock to shoot another group and kinda scratched my head a little and shot.
I shot the group and went to check. Sure enough in 5 minutes time the wind had switched 90 degrees. Strange stuff happens here in ND. Edk

One old joke suggests that's because Montana blows and Minnesota sucks--and vice versa.

If the wind ever stopped blowing across Southern Alberta and Saskatchewan all the cows would fall over! LOL
Cat

Here, the only thing stopping the wind is a barbed wire fence on the Montana/Wyoming border. And it's got a couple of broken strands. -Al

Old joke, If you don’t like the weather in Nebraska wait 15 minutes and it will change.

Al, thanks for the good information. Wow, now I feel inadequate with my engineer tape and sticks. I think I'll just go over to the Hunter's Campfire sub-forum and tell someone else how much they suck and then feel better about myself.

Damn sorry you feel that way, but question is did your tape and sticks cost 70 to a 110 bucks per?

I was being sarcastic as they suffice to me. I am simply impressed with Al's setup.

I thought hard about not posting this but here it goes.

The primary focus here is for hunting rifle stuff with accuracy sufficient for those needs. Given the group sizes those styles of rifles are capable of, many of the wind induced issues get lost in the overall size of the groups. But that doesn't mean it's not there...it's just harder to see and sort out.

That's why a very accurate rifle is an excellent tool by which to really learn what's going on with the wind.

These four groups were fired on the same day over the span of about 20 minutes. The two top groups are 5 shot groups fired with my 30BR 13.5 lb. NBRSA/IBS legal Heavy Varmint gun. Load was identical for all groups. Bullets were my 117's. POA for all groups was the center dot.

-The top two groups were fired with the flags at 3:00 and with careful attention paid to the wind speed.

-The bottom two groups were fired with the flags at exactly the same position as the top two groups but the wind speed changes were purposely ignored. This is commonly done to see how a load reacts in the wind.

-On the bottom (lt) group, the 'push' was wasn't as dramatic as the wind speeds were starting to slack off....you can you see this as the group forms more to the center, which is to be expected. It's also lower.

Al,

What was the distance at which those targets were shot?

Those were at 100 yds. -Al