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MRI provides imaging consistent with anatomical study
..your holy spirit messages are all over the shop
coz Xtians remain at odds to the info provided.

I like it when Xtians have a serious medical issue
and run to med.science for life saving treatment.

Interesting...well Tyrone is likely to gloss over that like he
has with The Vatican not officially endorsing the shroud.

To believe that science and Christianity are in opposition is an infantile and incorrect grasp of Christianity or science…..for the vast amount of “Christians” anyway.

We’ve seen how unbiased, non-emotional and intellectually motivated “science” and the entire scientific community has been with “covid” and the “vaccine” lies these past 3 years. We’ve seen how those “men” of science were interested in all aspects of their ongoing struggle with covid and they welcomed debate amongst their colleagues…..never mind because that NEVER happened! The “science” was settled and there were no debates to be had, anybody that didn’t blindly and mutely fall in line were ruined or threatened with ruin. Some of those that didn’t buy the bullshit were stripped of their credentials and fired.

Is that the “science” you’re following? It’s ironic that from the very beginning science has been modified, revised, evolved and oftentimes it’s been just flat-out WRONG. Science once demanded that the world was flat but we’ve since learned that ain’t true. The glaring difference between one’s undying faith in science as the end of further religious debate is the fact that the Christian belief in our risen Lord, the story of his birth, death and life have remained unchanged in all these centuries while “scientific facts” have been changed, aborted and revised MANY MANY times.

If consistency is helpful in determining historical fact then science falls on its ass. Science and Christianity are hardly mutually exclusive nor are they at all at odds with one another. The failure and disconnect is in man’s inability to grasp complex supernatural occurrences. When one says something to the effect of “I don’t believe in ____ because I’ve yet to see ______ and at 78 years old I’ve been everywhere and I ain’t never seen ______ so if I can’t see it that proves it ain’t true”….that type of myopic “thinking” screams to me that person is intentionally or unintentionally putting themselves on the altar of “Godly knowledge” which is no place for us mortals to be messing around in. There is much we don’t know and I’m ok with that. I hope I never get to the point where I think that if I haven’t seen it then it’s obviously a lie because I’m so awesome that I’ve seen everything. 😂

Regarding the OP, do any of you men think that the behavior of some of those within the church (the body of believers)…either individually or collectively…or the behavior of some of the entities within the church…either individual churches themselves, or certain denominations (for example)…is a stumbling block for some people coming to the faith of Christianity and for some people walking away from it…?

It's not paint and there's not an artist out there that has been able to reproduce it.

Never said it was paint. You can paint with various fluids.

Of course it can be easily reproduced, just not by removing a corpse from a cross and placing it on a sheet.


The original fake looks nothing like Jesus anyway:

I suspect most Christians are actually trying to be better people, that is way more than the rest do.

Of course, why wouldn't you? Where do you suppose that science came from.

Let's see you prove a super nova explosion and the subsequent evolution of everything you testify of.

Where did space and black holes come from, the question of origin is endless. Because you can't explain it against a God that created it, you become assertive and sure of yourself.

To believe in the big bang is no different than believing an atomic blast in a junk yard would create a fully stocked car dealership as a result.

You'd have to define miracle for me to answer that question.

Well, this has surfaced before.

I note that you seem to take the “memo” to be legit.

The document you are referring to is unsigned, undated and certainly not corroborated by other outside and independent historians. Perhaps not even written by old Pierre…..bogus, yet you put some stock in it.


Would you have us believe this document should be taken with some degree of seriousness?

The gospels have much more corroboration than this……

That's a bit rich. The shroud came with no certificates, but you are okay with that, or even mention in the bible - you'd think that would add more credibility to the tale. The bible even says that Jesus was covered in strips of linen, with a separate cloth only covering his face, which would be normal for a Jewish burial at the time. Nothing about a bed sheet.

Like Dr. Kindell says. "There would be a lot more Christians if there were a lot more serious skeptics."

You see serious people look at facts, think for themselves, and come to defensible conclusions that don't need emotional retorts.

The facts are simple, Christianity as with any other religion, rests on faith. Religion is a matter of faith, not facts, science or philosophical inquiry...

Poor try. How does entropy fit in?

I said a real, compassionate god would not allow children and infants to be sexually abused. I never mentioned blessing good people

I have pondered this situation(s) for years.....It may be a serious mistake to blame a holy and just God for the evil done by an evil person. If God prevented every evil deed, then the world would be a perfect place, but it is not perfect. If God prevented every evil deed, then we would be robots because we are inherently sinful ourselves. But God gave and Adam and Eve the freedom to sin. He is still allowing people to sin. When we sin, we are responsible – not God. When someone else sins, they sinned and not God (James 1:13-15). We are to blame for our actions, for God never does evil or fails to act justly. Why does God allow child suffering/abuse to happen? Maybe because He has given people a free will to choose to sin or not to sin....I firmly believe there is a continuous battle between good and satanic evil, and sadly, there will always be casualties....I believe when someone does evil to children, God will punish them because He loves children and is holy, just and righteous....of course I cannot prove any of these ideas, but that is what I believe from much research.

What is this method of reconstructing an entire face from a skull called??

I watched a PBS documentary several years ago on the process but I can not remember what the process was called.

Thanks.

L.W.

Forensic facial reconstruction (or forensic facial approximation)

Bless-protect. You wouldn’t admit to anything your narrow mind can’t rationalize. Why do you even care what a Christian would believe when you are so busy tearing apart any faith based belief? You fail to prove your points as poorly as you accuse Christians of their religious misgivings…

God didn’t create robots but created man with emotion, will, intellect, moral reason, and an everlasting existence. Man was also given the freedom of choice to act independently and used that freedom to rebel against God and to sin.

Because of God’s grace, He became a man, lived a perfect life, took our place and died in our place for our rebellion, not based on human merit but purely on His grace. God has also given man the freedom of forgiveness as a gift, free for the acceptance. In order to give man the opportunity to accept that, He puts up with the evil and bad choices of mankind.