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I gotta agree with this! I admire Jeff Davis, but his favoritisms in commanders hurt the South many times!
Bragg is the prime example, but there are many more.
Hood was a helluva division commander but he was completely over his head as commander of the Army Of Tennessee!
His wrongheaded tactics destroyed that Army at Franklin!
He was suffering from being severely wounded at Gettysburg, and gained Davis’ ear while recuperating in Richmond.
It’s possible that opium, taken for pain, is responsible for his discombobulation.
After Nashville that Army basically dissolved.
When Joe Johnson took command of the remnants, and charged with stopping Sherman, he said “I can only annoy him”.
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org Rogue Hunter;
Good afternoon to you sir, I hope the end of the week finds you and any who matter to you well.

As a bit of a student of history, even though I'm a Canuck I've read quite a bit on the US Civil War as it had such an effect on the rest of the world and Canada in particular.

If you like to get a bit of a sound bite to what the general population were seeing in the newspapers at the time - which I do because it's indicative of a few things - this ones is well done.

https://www.abebooks.com/book-searc...res/author/fletcher-pratt/first-edition/

If you've never dealt with abebooks, I've had really good luck with them over the years. The descriptions are accurate, they've all found their way up to rural BC and I wasn't enabling Jeff any more than was absolutely necessary.

All the best.

Dwayne

Lees lieutenants is a good read

I wrote a college paper on Bragg. When you dig into the matter he wasn't as bad a general as history paints him as. He actually had solid battle plans and tactics. What he lacked was the respect of his underlings particularly Longstreet and Beauregard. Had they actually followed his orders and enacted his timelines the battles very well could have had different outcomes. Bragg was a disgusting individual and a flawed leader but his military instincts were pretty sound. Had he been a better leader of men history could very well have been altered.

But I admit that is hindsight and hindsight is a dangerous beast when it comes to history.

There is a great book, Fifteen Battles That Changed History. Gettysburg might be the 16th. The forces that clashed, the ideals and assumptions, cultural differences, immigration and the industrialization of the North versus the wealthiest people in the world, cotton planters and the South's stagnant social system/economy. If there is an honest academic book dealing with those basic forces, the arrogance of the planters as opposed to the psychopathic pathology of Lincoln, that would be the one to read. I may be wrong about Foote, but he seems like a PBS light weight, entertaining and approved, but not particularly well informed. The South could never have won. But they didn't have to lose. Zero strategy. Zero intelligence or understanding of strong sympathies in the West and general indifference in the main, their natural allies in other words. And miscalculating the determination of a mad man. Lost cause indeed.

James McPherson is the definitive authority on the Civil War.

Battle Cry of Freedom or Ordeal by Fire is where one should begin.

Start from the fuqhing beginning, so to speak. Then you move on...

https://cdn.mises.org/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Rothbard.pdf

Read War Crimes Against Southern Citizens'. Helps to understand the horrid acts Yankee's were capable of. We have a good friend that is a Yankee, she tried to say she wasn't because she has been here so long. I had to explain it is genetic and can't be resolved.

For a glimpse of the life in the ranks, John Billings “Hardtack And Coffee” is hard to beat.
Also “Company Aitch” by Sam Watkins. Watkins served through the war in the Army Of Tennessee. His eyewitness of the battles and humor make this book another favorite of mine!
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We call them transplants

Yankee neighbor of mine from Martha’s Vineyard claims hes confed now since he’s lived in Virginia 20 yrs.🤣🤣🖕don’t hand me that fugkin bull schit unless it’s been bleed out by your ancestors 👍

It's very well written. You'll like it.

Company Aitch. A great book.

This is a really good and documented, referenced read.
Probably one of the least known union generals.
But one of the most important in the eastern theater.

Politically hounded for his non conformist beliefs about how to conduct the war and how to treat the southern states at the end and after the war.
1 example was his objections to Burnside about shelling Fredericksburg.
After 3 bombardments ordered by Burnside to no avail to drive a regiment of Mississippians out of the town and the rubble which gave them better protection from the artillery.
General Hunt was the one who came up with idea to do the amphibious Assualt and organized it.
Burnside told him if it fails Hunt would be responsible.
It succeeded and Burnside of course took credit for it..

General Hunt also organized the union artillery on Malvern Hill.
Organized and conducted the Artillery seige of Petersburg.

Everyone recognize,s the picture of the dictator rail car mortar.
Gen Hunts creation
At the battle of the crater General hunts artillery sealed off both sides of the attack from confederate counter attack.
Infantry attack plan changed.
Took out the Black Division to lead attack 2 hrs prior to crater explosion and replaced it with unrehearesed white divisions.
Cause grant and Meade were worried how the press would report the attack if a black division was slaughterd.
Didn't matter....
3 divisions IIRC including the black division all went into the crater, Hunt had to shut his guns down.
Attack went in 20 mins after.
2 union generals drinking whiskey in a Bunker while their men are getting slaughtered.

Gen Hunts unvarnished scathing report after the crater battle haunted him for years political enemy wise....

Like many officers on both sides many served with each other in the old army and the Mexican War.

One of his students the confederate artillery commander at Gettysburg. Pendleton IIRC.
Both talking at Appomattox.
Pendleton told Hunt.
I know my artillery at Gettysburg was seen by you as a total failure.
And how he wondered for almost 2yrs what Gen Hunt thought of it.
General told him that in fact it was and 80% of his shots were high and hitting in the rear areas 1/4 to 1/2 mile behind the Infantry front lines.
He told him if he would have slowed down his rate of fire and observed it and not let the guns tails dig into the ground causing his high shots his artillery might have been more effective.
Gen Hunt told pendleton he was instructed to leave 2 batteries of 30 pd parrot rifles he had modified with wheels on their gun carriages in storage.
They both had a discussion about the effect those 30 pd parrots might have had long range wise on picketts charge.
They both agreed as soon as the confederates left the tree line that day the parrots would have broken up picketts charge well before Emmittsburg road by being constantly under long range fire then mid and close fire from napoleons and 3 inch ordinance rifles.
But hind sight by both didn't change what went down..

LT hunt went to Church with Captain Lee.
Just one example in the book of both sides officers knowing and serving with each other in the old army.


Much much more in it.

Gen Hunt then Col Hunt guns covered the retreat from 1st Bull run as last unit rear gaurd.
His guns also turned a Confederate Brigade level attack at Blackburns Ford IIRC during 1st bull run.
A flanking attack many don't know of per history.
If it had succeeded the union would have had its retreat route completely cut off with a confederate infantry Brigade in its rear.






It is a good book if you can find it.

The above mention Sam Watkins. Best firsthand account by a Southern soldier I've ever read.

Actually, if you go back to the original commissions, Beauregard ranked Bragg. Regardless, Bragg was a disaster as an army commander. His subordinates were definitely sniping at him, but that wasn't unusual in Civil War armies, it's how Pope and Hooker ended up in command (albeit briefly). And lots of other commanders still managed to work successfully with subordinates who didn't like them.

Some of the issue with the Confederacy is that there was zero continuity of rank from the old army. Those initial two clusters of senior generals all got commissioned *almost* simultaneously... and all thought they should have been the most senior. And some of it has to do with Davis thinking he could general better than his generals. Davis almost immediately has problems with Johnston and Beauregard due to micro-managing. But then he babies Bragg and others like Theophilus Holmes and Sterling Price. And then he (and Lee) don't really step in when Jackson is having his issues with Garnett after the Valley Campaign (everyone knew Jackson was wrong, but no one would do anything about it).

The breakdown of professionalism on Bragg's staff is really on display at Chickamauga. Hindman can't stand Bragg (for the same reasons no one can stand Bragg) and Longstreet just isn't very good in independent command. He's a hell of a corps commander when the Army of Northern Virginia gets its initial restructuring with Longstreet and Jackson each controlling a wing. But that was also quite common: lots of guys were great at the brigade or divisional level and just couldn't hack it as a corps commander or an army commander. (Hooker is a good example. Not the guy you want controlling your army but he could lead a corps, especially if given aggressive orders.)

That said, Stones River is mostly on Bragg's decision making, re: Bragg snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. He has Rosecrans dead to rights, assumes Rosecrans will retreat, is stunned when he doesn't, and then delays for 24 hours (hoping Rosecrans will magically disappear from the field), allows the Army of the Cumberland to entrench, and then gets his men mowed down attacking fortified and reinforced positions. The siege at Chattanooga unraveling isn't really on Bragg -- he's just outnumbered and outclassed by Grant, Sherman, and Thomas, at that point -- but it also never should have come to that. Had he taken care of business at Chattanooga, Thomas never would have been back in Chattanooga that way to begin with.