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Butler, PENN

Okay. I’m in central Pennsylvania. That’s where I got mine from.

16" carbine is super nice little rifle for where I hunt. Weaver 1.5-4.5 with illumination.

Powder Valley has Reloder 7.... an easy-peasy no-compression 2650 fps with 200’s, and the go-to for anything lighter than that as a side bonus...

Good looking out. Got some.

Over a decade ago, Jesse O at JES reboring mentioned to me to try rl 10x over rl 7 for similiar velocities but less pressure.

By gully if he wasn't right: 46-47grains launched 200 grain Barnes or accubond bullets to 2650-2700fps from 20" barrels in the 358 winchester.

In the .410 occumpaugh and manzo (.410-9.3x62), rl10x beat out TAC with more velocity and less recoil from a 20" barrel.

In a 375 winchester, 255 grain Barnes O bullets gave 1870 fps from a 20" barrel.

These were all JES rebores.

TAC fkn sucks from carbine barrels.

That’s a sweet little ‘99.

Good intel- thanks!

I’ve never seen pressure with RL7 and 200’s.

If anyone is wanting to to a 358 on a Tikka action, I have a pre fit barrel I'm going to sell with a sack of brass.

I think it's a heavy bull sporter that's supposed to be .670 at length. The barrel is 20 inches. I didn't have my micrometer with me today, here's a pic of the barrel next to a factory Hawkeye in 358.

Have a parts gun here.
Had a Douglas barrel spun on a 700 SS action when I built my 358 Hoosier for deer hunting here.
Once Indiana added the 358 Win the gunsmith rechambered it for me.
Thrown into an old takeoff B&C stock, PTG crap BDL.
I'll probably change stocks to the Manners SL since that is inlet for M5, and go with Hawkins Hunter DBM.

We've just always used the 200 grain Hornady SP for deer here. Most shots are within 100 yards in the woods.
Might try the 200 grain AB too.
Buddy is trying to talk me into going to Iowa this year or next, might have to take the 358 if I do.

The 200 Hornady SP is wicked on deer. There’s no rational reason to use anything else.

....... so I’m using 200-gn Accubonds now.

X-Term is another good one. I get slightly better groups with RL-7. TAC is the one JB liked, but it requires compressed loads, which are OK, just don’t like to compress unless necessary.

RL-7 slighter faster than X-Term, which is slightly faster than TAC. Slower powders take up more room in the case.

DF

Yeah, compression is the bane of .358.

I’ve never even heard of X-Term! Now I’m curious.

In all honesty even though my .358 has accounted for more of deer by far than anything else, it’s the rifle I shoot recreationally the least these days. I just stuff shells in it and go kill deer. I think that speaks to a couple things; one is that it’s so effective that it’s not like a guy is trying to fix problems with it. The other is since it’s just a short to mid range cartridge it frees me from my longer range obsessions. I did, for a while, play around with dialing it out to around 400 yards and that’s when I moved away from the flying ashtray AKA the Hornady 200 SP.

If anyone CARES.... the 200 NAB at 2650 has similar ballistic performance as the 225 Partition (or Sierra)... if a person wants to stretch a .358 a bit, that’s how I’d do it. The 225 NP is a cool .358 bullet but it doesn’t seem to expand very quickly at those speeds. I killed a couple identical 3x3 bucks on consecutive years- one of them was the one I showed a pic of the lungs from, a couple weeks ago, on this or some other .358 thread- that died identically: I double lunged them at about 40 yards, they ran about 50-60 yards, lay down, and died coughing. I could hear them. I don’t remember hearing any other deer I shot through the lungs cough like that. So I’m now seeing the 225 NP as an elk load. The 200 NAB does a lot more damage than the 225 NP, FWIW, comparable to the Hornady SP, but with much better flight ballistics.... for those who care.

X-Terminator has worked great in my 356 and 358 Wins.

Check out the 178 Shock Hammer. It's a mono, designed to frag, the core blowing on thru, not too unlike a mono version of the Partition.

Here is the exit wound, that bullet thru the chest of a WT. Quick kill.

Gun is a pre-64 FWT that JES turned into a .358 Win from a shot out .243 Win. Gun is easily MOA, sub-MOA with select loads. The original .243 version was 3-4 MOA on a good day.

I sent this photo to the Hammer company, got an email reply from co-founder/co-owner, Steve Davis, who pointed out the satellite exit wounds around the core exit. I hadn't noticed; he knew what he was seeing. I can see that, now.

Great products, great CS.

DF

Wow, impressive!

Heart and lungs were pretty well chewed up.

Good thing about the Hammer, it has very effective terminal performance even at less than top end velocity. IIRC, they suggest 1,800 fps.

For those who have to use non-lead bullets, it expands their options without giving up much, if anything, on terminal performance.

DF

I think it was this thread I posted this on? Can’t keep track. There’s been a few .358 threads (which I love!)...

These are lungs from a blacktail killed with a 225 Partition at about 40 yards.... one of the “coughers”. Pretty intact, compared to results from some other bullets I’ve shot through deer lungs.

I'll have to look into some of the Shock Hammers some day, impressive!

We can share gore pictures.

Actually Shock Hammer may have messed innards mo worser than NPT.

But dead is dead, one can't be more dead than the other.

DF