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I'd say it was a design flaw. Rem 700 has an enclosed trigger, the M-70 an open trigger

I have no idea.

But with that being said, for a few years I had an M1a Bush Rifle. And I always thought that thing had two great career paths: one, a hog gun in the South and two, a camp gun in grizzly country. Load the 20-round mag with, I dunno, 180 Partitions or TSX’s and keep it handy. I had it set up with a ghost ring rear sight and a tritium front post. Badass rifle. It was my bump-in-the-night gun for my rural property for a few years there, but we don’t seem to get bears (30+ years) despite them being seen not far away. So I switched to an AR for that job and got my money back out of the M1a.

So while I don’t know diddly about killing big angry bears I gotta think a short handy .308 semi with 20 rounds of whupass on tap would not suck.

If you miss, seems like the long gun will give you more room and more time to scream.

the Remington 700`s we had were all clean and dry tell we went up the mountain those Remington 700`s filled up with moisture /water and froze slowly as we rode up Remington have a design problem. my Winchester model 70 pre 64 does not have that problem. most hunters have never been on a nasty cold snowy hunt riding mules like that in the mountains and i hope i never do again . > be glad you never have we never seen any elk either just bears and if you wanna use a Remington 700 in these conditions good luck.Pete53

Thus happens because Remington uses an enclosed trigger which will freeze up in such conditions. The Winchester M-70 has an open trigger which will not collect moisture and freeze up

For the past 52 years hunting in the Rockies, including horsepacking and backpacking, plus two DIY Alaskan moose/caribou float trips where we spent a total of 31 days floating the river, and where it rained more days then not, I've carried M700's most of the time. Never had a trigger or FP freeze up.

But had one malfunction....

When I was 14 my dad gave me a M700 to use. When I was 15 I pulled the trigger three times on a raghorn bull and nothing went bang. A friend of my dad's had come hunting with us and had worked for Remington as a machinist in the late 50's. He looked at my ammo with primer indents (I had picked up the rounds because I knew the adults weren't going to believe me otherwise) took my rifle and began to field strip the bolt. Dirt, pinecones, dead squirrels, etc came out as he pulled the FP out of the bolt body. A little Coleman gas to poured over the FP and into the bolt body and then he reassembled the bolt, and of course the rifle worked perfectly.

It's a lesson I have never forgot. Every year after hunting season I disassemble my rifles and clean triggers, bolts/FP's, feed rails, all of it. Then I squirt a bit of oil in the trigger and FP. Never had a mechanical malfunction since.

10-11 years ago I purchased a M700ADL early A series rifle that was in excellent shape. When I was inspecting the rifle the action screws appeared to be unblemished. I was thinking the stock had never been off the rifle. Bought the rifle and brought it home, pulled the stock and sure enough dirt, pine cones, dead squirrels fell out and the entire underside of the rifle was coated in a THICK coat of gunk. Couldn't even see the trigger housing and the little window that shows the sear engagement was entirely plugged.

First, that rifle was a AD looking for a happening, and second it was a malfunction of every other sort looking for a happening.

Most of these stories of firearms malfunctioning in the field, including the most popular bolt action rifle in America are generally a malfunction of firearm care.

thanks for posting that

Accuracy International AW's(Arctic Warfare) are enclosed triggers. I've schlepped 700's from hell to breakfast and seldom had to apply Sun Lotion. Hell...I even got one damp and cold,one time. Hint. LAUGHING!

I don't have a receiver that's shot out more than five barrels(7-08 all) and tend to flog on schit as a rule. The striker assemblies as cited,are typically a Goat Fhuqk,whether NIB or secondhand. I like Starting Fluid and it has a LIGHT lube in it,which I do NOT add to. Never an issue,but I'm only talking 100's of thousands of rounds. Hint.

That being said,I go through a fair number of follower springs,in 700's and Montuckies both. Hint................

Lighter fluid and paint thinner/mineral spirits are indeed a lubricant. A very, very light lubricant, but still a lubricant. I soak my trigger assemblies and and gun parts in paint thinner in a "parts basket and bucket" I made for that purpose.

Huh....I may have to try the lighter fluid thing, though dry graphite has never given me a reason to dislike it in extreme cold.

How many bears pictured thus far were shot in a DLP? I suspect none and thus they really don't have much bearing on this thread's purpose. I've rifle shot plenty of bears that had no clue I was around and haven't found any common hunting cartridge/bullet combo that didn't work.

I prefer Starter Fluid,because it's got some ass and leaves dick nothing behind. Hint.

LEGENDARY Status reinstated. Hint.






If you are fhuqking DUMB enough to grab pics of a DLP,that's your fhuqking fault. Hint...................

The ideal is expansion with lots of penetration. The reason is that the squared-on angle you get in a defensive shooting requires a bullet to track straight through some heavy muscle and some bone. Expansion is good because it wrecks stuff, but that means nothing if the bullet fails to reach stuff that matters. In my experience, if forced to pick between expansion or penetration, I’ll take penetration every time. That said, all my experience is with brown bears so maybe lighter built critters such as cougars, wolves, or leopards would be different. I’ve seen some really poor and some really spectacular results, which tends to color my thinking. I’ve never looked at a shotgun wound on a bear and been terribly impressed, but I regularly am impressed with what proper rifles do to them.

Or just carry a Marlin 45-70 336 with 400 grain Keith style cast with GC’s, steel sights such as an open V or an open ghost ring aperture sight and call it good.

FWIW, the 34mm 4-16x Arken is every bit of that dang low when mounted with their Low rings on a stock rail on a CTR. Thankfully the Arken "caps" are half rubber, and just barely squeezed on.

This is a tough thing to find as they are counter to each other.

I don't own big wheelguns, but tried a .45 LC, and although I could shoot it I wasn't as quick to get it on target and make good hits with it. So I carry auto's generally a 1911 .45ACP with Buffalo Bore ammo. I know I can get several hits in couple seconds. I'll get a 10mm 1911 when funds allow but it's been easy to put off. I feel even a 9mm is better than nothing, and two legged predators are just as likely so far.

I really like my ‘95 45-70…..but prefer a bit heavier bullet! I think that my 430’s offer a good blend of velocity and weight for penetration. If it were to be only used for “up close and personal” …..I’d go heavier than my 430’s. But, that’s just me! 😉 I do however, like 400’s in my handgun! 🤔
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I don't mind overpackin'.

45-70 + .480 Bisley SBH 4.62"/6.5".

I'd pack a tomahawk and a Bowie if they'd let me!

I wouldn't disagree with that, even if the troopers cleared it as a legal DLP but my point remains.

I was bluff charged by an interior griz last August. It happened too quick for me to get a shot off, even if it hadn't been a bluff. My heart was pumping so fast I have no idea if I could have hit it with a net gun, let alone the .300 Win I had.

No pics of course...though I did kill a bear a few days later that very possibly could have been the same one. He was just minding his own business that day...

Unfortunately,the Arken caps are THE schittiest in the business. Hint.




Just sayin'................

I lived remote in AK, no DLPs existed, ever. I got run over by a bear on a charge. I couldn’t clear leather and line up fast enough. Ripped off a 320 gr into the dirt. For what ever reason the bear jumped to the side and gave me his second chance. BTW I fully believe a heavy 44 mag or larger at full tilt is about the $hittiest handgun I could use, especially if it’s a single action.