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Nah....the wild and majestic buffler always loved wintering above the 48th with nothing to eat.
It's science. Oh ok. Good. Science. I like science when I'm told it's science... Thanks! Oh...and it's settled too. 10 out of 10 buffler on the native range prefer 1st cutting alfalfa and running water.
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So much info shared here is completely and horribly wrong.
Many tribes have restored bison herds and manage them well. Bison are heartier than cattle and eat about the same amount of grass, a little less actually. They reproduce at the same rates but often live longer. Brucellosis can be spread by cattle or bison just as easily and affects them similarly. That myth reminds me of some of the COVID BS we were told.
Threads like this remind me of the vast ignorance of boomers. No wonder they drove this country into the dirt. Exactly! I'm aware of local regions where they are successfully restoring the bison herds and native grasses. I'm all in favor of restoring them on a much larger scale. What a lot of those ignant-assed boomer comments are leaving out is that it was the US Govt and greedy buffalo hunters engaged in a genocidal war against the Indian tribes that nearly wiped out the great herds. As a matter of fact, in my early years, I lived just a few miles from where the last known eastern woodland buffalo was killed and it wasn't by an Indian. A dumbass hillbilly did it. Oh my. I guess bleeding hearts in Alaska too.... I'm the last person that anyone who knows me would describe as a bleeding heart. Doing he right thing is the right thing to do. Restoring what was fuct up is the right thing to do. How far back do you want to go as far with that? Should the stronger tribes cede the land given to them by the US to the tribes they displaced? Should Spain be on the hook for reparations to central and South America? The American Indians were treated very damn well when taken into historical context. You have funny notions about how you define being treated well. Does that include a long on-going attempts at genocidal extermination, broken treaties, dishonest dealings, starvation, stolen lands? As for Spain and South America, that's between them.
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Nah....the wild and majestic buffler always loved wintering above the 48th with nothing to eat.
It's science. Oh ok. Good. Science. I like science when I'm told it's science... Thanks! Oh...and it's settled too. 10 out of 10 buffler on the native range prefer 1st cutting alfalfa and running water. 10/10?! Settled. How do we subsidize it?
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I'm somewhat lacking in knowledge on buffalo and Indians restoration of them.
Many tribes? Which ones? How many buffalo involved with each? How much acreage involved with each of those restorations? Free ranging?
Documentation on how much buffalo eat compared to cattle? Documentation on reproductive rate comparisons.
Not saying your wrong or being a smart ass. I just don't know and your statements, if true, need documentation from reputable sources.
What I do know is that the myth about the Indians being great stewards of nature is just that-- a myth. I have two within a short drive of me and know of many others. If you do a little homework you'll find the info you seek. Some acreages are quite small actually and are stocked accordingly. Look up what an AUM is she you can find out a lot there as well. They have pretty much every animal you can think of figured out for how much it will graze. There are lots and lots of bison herds all over North America that do just fine. Yet this one will supposedly end mankind or destroy local beef markets, producers etc? Pick a new argument if you got something against Buffalo. Your talking points here have lost time and again and have been proven time and again to be unfounded. Sure you could probably cherry pick and find a case somewhere to back your claim, but isolated instances don't show a trend. I won't argue the stewards of the land part you mentioned. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it's someone else's duty to teach you. You possess the power and means to learn all on your own. You made some BIG claims that, for all I know, could've been fabricated by you to embellish a non valid point. Not my duty to verify your claims. You want to make significant claims about an issue it's on you to provide documentation to justify your claims. Don't expect others to waste time trying to verify your position--that's on you. The only talking points I raised were to ask for verification on YOUR unsupported claims that you have still not provided ANY support for. Where are the links to verify your claims? Or are you simply talking out your a$$? I have nothing against buffalo. What made you think that I do?
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I suspect that Buzzie or Callie don't know where Phillips County is......or that there is a BLM office in Lewsitown. Hilarious...I'm not a move-in to Montana, 4th generation Montana Native. When did you move to Montana? Laffin'... Pretty familiar with all things Montana including Phillips and Blaine County. My family hunted Bill Cowen's place for a lot of years as well as other South of Chinook in that Cleveland/Lloyd country. Yet you are still so ignorant....even for a leftist. Did you Google year round buffalo grazing yet? I've forgotten more about BLM leases than you'll ever know.
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So much info shared here is completely and horribly wrong.
Many tribes have restored bison herds and manage them well. Bison are heartier than cattle and eat about the same amount of grass, a little less actually. They reproduce at the same rates but often live longer. Brucellosis can be spread by cattle or bison just as easily and affects them similarly. That myth reminds me of some of the COVID BS we were told.
Threads like this remind me of the vast ignorance of boomers. No wonder they drove this country into the dirt. Exactly! I'm aware of local regions where they are successfully restoring the bison herds and native grasses. I'm all in favor of restoring them on a much larger scale. What a lot of those ignant-assed boomer comments are leaving out is that it was the US Govt and greedy buffalo hunters engaged in a genocidal war against the Indian tribes that nearly wiped out the great herds. As a matter of fact, in my early years, I lived just a few miles from where the last known eastern woodland buffalo was killed and it wasn't by an Indian. A dumbass hillbilly did it. Oh my. I guess bleeding hearts in Alaska too.... I'm the last person that anyone who knows me would describe as a bleeding heart. Doing he right thing is the right thing to do. Restoring what was fuct up is the right thing to do. How far back do you want to go as far with that? Should the stronger tribes cede the land given to them by the US to the tribes they displaced? Should Spain be on the hook for reparations to central and South America? The American Indians were treated very damn well when taken into historical context. You have funny notions about how you define being treated well. Does that include a long on-going attempts at genocidal extermination, broken treaties, dishonest dealings, starvation, stolen lands? As for Spain and South America, that's between them. Historically, how many nations have conquered peoples then, set them up as “sovereign nations” yet subsidize them at the cost of the citizens, giving them special rights, protections, and benefits? With no requirements or oversight? I feel bad for the kids born into that life, but a lot of folks are born into poverty and either make it or not. But they aren’t hampered by a stoneage culture that punishes their attempts at bettering themselves. You can’t really separate “us” from “them” when talking Spanish conquest. They supplied the horse stock that allowed some tribes up here to take advantage of the others. In fact, by your reckoning the horse savvy tribes that whipped up on the others owe reparations. That was my point you didn’t address. Now those reparations, are they coming from the money we already give them, or are we on the hook by proxy?
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So much info shared here is completely and horribly wrong.
Many tribes have restored bison herds and manage them well. Bison are heartier than cattle and eat about the same amount of grass, a little less actually. They reproduce at the same rates but often live longer. Brucellosis can be spread by cattle or bison just as easily and affects them similarly. That myth reminds me of some of the COVID BS we were told.
Threads like this remind me of the vast ignorance of boomers. No wonder they drove this country into the dirt. Exactly! I'm aware of local regions where they are successfully restoring the bison herds and native grasses. I'm all in favor of restoring them on a much larger scale. What a lot of those ignant-assed boomer comments are leaving out is that it was the US Govt and greedy buffalo hunters engaged in a genocidal war against the Indian tribes that nearly wiped out the great herds. As a matter of fact, in my early years, I lived just a few miles from where the last known eastern woodland buffalo was killed and it wasn't by an Indian. A dumbass hillbilly did it. Oh my. I guess bleeding hearts in Alaska too.... I'm the last person that anyone who knows me would describe as a bleeding heart. Doing he right thing is the right thing to do. Restoring what was fuct up is the right thing to do. How far back do you want to go as far with that? Should the stronger tribes cede the land given to them by the US to the tribes they displaced? Should Spain be on the hook for reparations to central and South America? The American Indians were treated very damn well when taken into historical context. You have funny notions about how you define being treated well. Does that include a long on-going attempts at genocidal extermination, broken treaties, dishonest dealings, starvation, stolen lands? As for Spain and South America, that's between them. Well...let's get going on reparations too then.
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I suspect that Buzzie or Callie don't know where Phillips County is......or that there is a BLM office in Lewsitown. Hilarious...I'm not a move-in to Montana, 4th generation Montana Native. When did you move to Montana? Laffin'... Pretty familiar with all things Montana including Phillips and Blaine County. My family hunted Bill Cowen's place for a lot of years as well as other South of Chinook in that Cleveland/Lloyd country. Yet you are still so ignorant....even for a leftist. Did you Google year round buffalo grazing yet? I've forgotten more about BLM leases than you'll ever know. Yeah...that just isn't the case. Did you quit hunting Cowan when they went to gasp! Block Management?
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AB2506: I think it was Roger Miller who warned "you can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd"!
I foresee "problems" with Buffalo walking on people and hurting them, severely!
Love to see me some Buffalo but not wanting to hit one with my vehicles.
The "problems" that will arise from "vast herds of Buffalo" will harm cattle ranchers, farmers, and humans of all kinds.
Some Buffalo, in some places, fine, but huge herds roaming the plains not such a good idea.
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Nah....the wild and majestic buffler always loved wintering above the 48th with nothing to eat.
It's science. Oh ok. Good. Science. I like science when I'm told it's science... Thanks! Oh...and it's settled too. 10 out of 10 buffler on the native range prefer 1st cutting alfalfa and running water. 10/10?! Settled. How do we subsidize it? Hay...lots and lots of hay.
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Oh, and more Rez Casinos.
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The last mountain bison were killed in Lost Park, near Denver.
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Can we tax the hay and casinos?
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The Fed Govs and Indians... What could go wrong?  PREZACTLY! 🤪🤪🤪
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Can we tax the hay and casinos? Not really. That money is needed for real estate development in the Bitterroot.
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Can we tax the hay and casinos? Not really. That money is needed for real estate development in the Bitterroot. Damn.
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Threads like this remind me of the vast ignorance of boomers. No wonder they drove this country into the dirt. Noted, perhaps we should have avoided procreating thus avoiding progeny devoid of making idiotic generalizations...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Can we tax the hay and casinos? Not really. That money is needed for real estate development in the Bitterroot. Damn. Ok. I get it...we just set-up the Bison tax...a tax on everyone so the Bison can roam!?
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AB2506: I think it was Roger Miller who warned "you can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd"!
I foresee "problems" with Buffalo walking on people and hurting them, severely!
Love to see me some Buffalo but not wanting to hit one with my vehicles.
The "problems" that will arise from "vast herds of Buffalo" will harm cattle ranchers, farmers, and humans of all kinds.
Some Buffalo, in some places, fine, but huge herds roaming the plains not such a good idea.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy Prezactly!! Introduced/free-ranging herds will end up where they are not wanted but exactly where they want to be. It's not at all far-fetched to wonder what an elementary school on the edge of town will do when school lets out at 3:30 and there's 400 bufflers bedded down all around the school??
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