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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by smokepole
Anybody know the intended scope of this planned restoration? That is, is it intended for just the reservations, public land outside the reservations, or where?

And yes, I know that "buffalo will go where they want" but that's not my question.

It's to remove the people there.

Are you saying it's intended to remove people from the reservations?

Are you under the impression the APR is buying Rez land?


No, but I'm not asking what APR is trying to do, I'm asking about the subject of the OP, the $25 M grant. What's the intent of that program, restore bison on the reservations, or?



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Originally Posted by Westman
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...

Are you saying that there isn't any truth to any of what that piece says?

The funding sources are accurate, that information is no secret, they pulled those right from the IRS required financials. What's the problem?

Are you denying the work WYBHA has and is doing in Wyoming for habitat, wildlife, public access, hunting, fishing, and trapping?

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by smokepole
Anybody know the intended scope of this planned restoration? That is, is it intended for just the reservations, public land outside the reservations, or where?

And yes, I know that "buffalo will go where they want" but that's not my question.

It's to remove the people there.

Are you saying it's intended to remove people from the reservations?

Are you under the impression the APR is buying Rez land?


No, but I'm not asking what APR is trying to do, I'm asking about the subject of the OP, the $25 M grant. What's the intent of that program, restore bison on the reservations, or?

Yes, expand herds on the Reservation. They currently have 20k bison in 65 herds combined on all reservations.

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Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...
I am not assuming the report is truthful just as I am not assuming you and BHA are truthful.
Just looking at an organization that you are campaigning for through research and discernment.
I actually do not have my mind completely made up. I will say that your lightly veiled ad hominem attacks don't help your case.

What percentage of BHA donations actually go toward "boots on the ground" work? That is something I can't quite pin down.
Is it a lobbyist group? It does seem to be singularly focused with no regard to the bigger picture on many subjects.


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Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by Westman
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...

Are you saying that there isn't any truth to any of what that piece says?

The funding sources are accurate, that information is no secret, they pulled those right from the IRS required financials. What's the problem?

Are you denying the work WYBHA has and is doing in Wyoming for habitat, wildlife, public access, hunting, fishing, and trapping?


The problem is in the old adage of "follow the money". Those organizations that have donated money expect something in return, no? They are not generally known as being very hunter friendly, are they?

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Originally Posted by RUM7
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...
I am not assuming the report is truthful just as I am not assuming you and BHA are truthful.
Just looking at an organization that you are campaigning for through research and discernment.
I actually do not have my mind completely made up. I will say that your lightly veiled ad hominem attacks don't help your case.

What percentage of BHA donations actually go toward "boots on the ground" work? That is something I can't quite pin down.
Is it a lobbyist group? It does seem to be singularly focused with no regard to the bigger picture on many subjects.

The Wyoming chapter has donated most of our money to "boots on the ground" projects. I've already listed examples in a previous post. Over 50K to Raymond Mountain Access unlocking 33k acres of public land. That money came from a Commission tag we acquired with 100% of the raffle funds going to that project. Another example is the $34K we've donated to AccessYes in Wyoming that unlocks about 3.2 acres per dollar spent for hunting and fishing access on private land. We raised $120K for legal fees for the Missouri 4 regarding corner crossing, both the civil and criminal cases. Again, 100% of the funds went directly to that, our board is 100% volunteers. We have 4 trustees, that are accounting for the corner crossing funding as well as a professional accountant keeping the books squared away. Every penny that the 2200 or so individual donors we had contribute to that case is accounted for.

We also do numerous clean ups on State and Federal lands, all volunteer. Fence removals, collecting bitterbrush seeds, big-game collaring efforts, buck and rail fencing projects, testifying on land exchanges, testifying at the State Legislature, etc. etc. etc.

For the first time ever, we also hired an lobbyist to work on legislation that we found favorable for hunters and anglers and also work to kill some unfavorable legislation as well.

We move the needle on access, hunting, fishing, trapping, habitat, access, and wildlife related causes/issues. Our all volunteer board of 12 people does 3000+ hours of work a year.

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Originally Posted by Westman
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by Westman
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...

Are you saying that there isn't any truth to any of what that piece says?

The funding sources are accurate, that information is no secret, they pulled those right from the IRS required financials. What's the problem?

Are you denying the work WYBHA has and is doing in Wyoming for habitat, wildlife, public access, hunting, fishing, and trapping?


The problem is in the old adage of "follow the money". Those organizations that have donated money expect something in return, no? They are not generally known as being very hunter friendly, are they?

Depends on the grants, some require deliverables on specific issues, some not.

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Gee, and no thought to the methane in that.


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Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by RUM7
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...
I am not assuming the report is truthful just as I am not assuming you and BHA are truthful.
Just looking at an organization that you are campaigning for through research and discernment.
I actually do not have my mind completely made up. I will say that your lightly veiled ad hominem attacks don't help your case.

What percentage of BHA donations actually go toward "boots on the ground" work? That is something I can't quite pin down.
Is it a lobbyist group? It does seem to be singularly focused with no regard to the bigger picture on many subjects.

The Wyoming chapter has donated most of our money to "boots on the ground" projects. I've already listed examples in a previous post. Over 50K to Raymond Mountain Access unlocking 33k acres of public land. That money came from a Commission tag we acquired with 100% of the raffle funds going to that project. Another example is the $34K we've donated to AccessYes in Wyoming that unlocks about 3.2 acres per dollar spent for hunting and fishing access on private land. We raised $120K for legal fees for the Missouri 4 regarding corner crossing, both the civil and criminal cases. Again, 100% of the funds went directly to that, our board is 100% volunteers. We have 4 trustees, that are accounting for the corner crossing funding as well as a professional accountant keeping the books squared away. Every penny that the 2200 or so individual donors we had contribute to that case is accounted for.

We also do numerous clean ups on State and Federal lands, all volunteer. Fence removals, collecting bitterbrush seeds, big-game collaring efforts, buck and rail fencing projects, testifying on land exchanges, testifying at the State Legislature, etc. etc. etc.

For the first time ever, we also hired an lobbyist to work on legislation that we found favorable for hunters and anglers and also work to kill some unfavorable legislation as well.

We move the needle on access, hunting, fishing, trapping, habitat, access, and wildlife related causes/issues. Our all volunteer board of 12 people does 3000+ hours of work a year.

Yet for all that, you vehemently support an America Last bought and paid for POS like tester and denigrate his detractors.

I don’t care if you offered me a free 400” free range public land bull, I’d tell you to eat shît.

That’s what sets aside whores like tester who would sell us all out to China et al from men of character.

Your [bleep] doesn’t fly on a free forum like the ‘fire. You’re better suited to cûnt talk.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by RUM7
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Richard Berman hit piece, old news and he's been discredited time and time again.

Same guy that lobbies for Philip Morris tobacco to allow smoking in restaurants, etc.

Interestingly enough, his Center for Organizational Research and Education is a 501 c3.

Richard Berman and Will Coggin definitely appeal to the low information, low IQ people.

BTW, they need a new editor, Jon Tester did not run against "Danny" Rehberg...

Next...
I am not assuming the report is truthful just as I am not assuming you and BHA are truthful.
Just looking at an organization that you are campaigning for through research and discernment.
I actually do not have my mind completely made up. I will say that your lightly veiled ad hominem attacks don't help your case.

What percentage of BHA donations actually go toward "boots on the ground" work? That is something I can't quite pin down.
Is it a lobbyist group? It does seem to be singularly focused with no regard to the bigger picture on many subjects.

The Wyoming chapter has donated most of our money to "boots on the ground" projects. I've already listed examples in a previous post. Over 50K to Raymond Mountain Access unlocking 33k acres of public land. That money came from a Commission tag we acquired with 100% of the raffle funds going to that project. Another example is the $34K we've donated to AccessYes in Wyoming that unlocks about 3.2 acres per dollar spent for hunting and fishing access on private land. We raised $120K for legal fees for the Missouri 4 regarding corner crossing, both the civil and criminal cases. Again, 100% of the funds went directly to that, our board is 100% volunteers. We have 4 trustees, that are accounting for the corner crossing funding as well as a professional accountant keeping the books squared away. Every penny that the 2200 or so individual donors we had contribute to that case is accounted for.

We also do numerous clean ups on State and Federal lands, all volunteer. Fence removals, collecting bitterbrush seeds, big-game collaring efforts, buck and rail fencing projects, testifying on land exchanges, testifying at the State Legislature, etc. etc. etc.

For the first time ever, we also hired an lobbyist to work on legislation that we found favorable for hunters and anglers and also work to kill some unfavorable legislation as well.

We move the needle on access, hunting, fishing, trapping, habitat, access, and wildlife related causes/issues. Our all volunteer board of 12 people does 3000+ hours of work a year.

Yet for all that, you vehemently support an America Last bought and paid for POS like tester and denigrate his detractors.

I don’t care if you offered me a free 400” free range public land bull, I’d tell you to eat shît.

That’s what sets aside whores like tester who would sell us all out to China et al from men of character.

Your [bleep] doesn’t fly on a free forum like the ‘fire. You’re better suited to cûnt talk.

I don't care if you voted for a loser, that's your business. Tester won and really who you need to question are your maga buddies who crossed the aisle to vote for Tester.

He won reelection because lots of Trump voters think he does a good job for Montana. Which is absolutely true, his record speaks for itself and is reflected at the polls.

Your grievance is with a whole $hitload of your MAGA buddies...they sold you out.

Oh, and begging me to take you elk hunting isn't a good look, and, beside that, I'm not into socialism. Find your bootstraps.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by smokepole
Anybody know the intended scope of this planned restoration? That is, is it intended for just the reservations, public land outside the reservations, or where?

And yes, I know that "buffalo will go where they want" but that's not my question.

It's to remove the people there.

Are you saying it's intended to remove people from the reservations?

No, it's intended to remove farmers and ranchers from the land.

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Originally Posted by AB2506
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by smokepole
Anybody know the intended scope of this planned restoration? That is, is it intended for just the reservations, public land outside the reservations, or where?

And yes, I know that "buffalo will go where they want" but that's not my question.

It's to remove the people there.

Are you saying it's intended to remove people from the reservations?

No, it's intended to remove farmers and ranchers from the land.

Not true...willing sellers and willing buyers. Nobody is forced to sell their land. They could choose to subdivide it and move all the family's in they want. Fact.

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by AB2506
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by smokepole
Anybody know the intended scope of this planned restoration? That is, is it intended for just the reservations, public land outside the reservations, or where?

And yes, I know that "buffalo will go where they want" but that's not my question.

It's to remove the people there.

Are you saying it's intended to remove people from the reservations?

No, it's intended to remove farmers and ranchers from the land.

Not true...willing sellers and willing buyers. Nobody is forced to sell their land. They could choose to subdivide it and move all the family's in they want. Fact.


Fact.

You'd sell your soul for a few pounds of gold.

Doesn't make it right...

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Buzz, I thought you said this grant was meant to restore bison only on the reservations?



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Buzz, I thought you said this grant was meant to restore bison only on the reservations?

I think you added the only...but that may be the case.

https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/...oration-on-expanding-tribal-17817880.php

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by smokepole
Buzz, I thought you said this grant was meant to restore bison only on the reservations?

I think you added the only...but that may be the case.

https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/...oration-on-expanding-tribal-17817880.php

Buzzy,

What is your preferred end state with this deal?

Expain it like you're dealing with a slow 5 year old.

Or don't, but you seem to have a advocacy position here and I don't get where you want it to finish or what is the preferred end state.

I do wish a very few of the MT whiners had your ability in affecting political issues instead of just whining here on the Fire as the world passes by them.

And Testor won't win again. wink


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by smokepole
Buzz, I thought you said this grant was meant to restore bison only on the reservations?

I think you added the only...but that may be the case.

https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/...oration-on-expanding-tribal-17817880.php

Buzzy,

What is your preferred end state with this deal?

Expain it like you're dealing with a slow 5 year old.

Or don't, but you seem to have a advocacy position here and I don't get where you want it to finish or what is the preferred end state.

I do wish a very few of the MT whiners had your ability in affecting political issues instead of just whining here on the Fire as the world passes by them.

And Testor won't win again. wink

I think the tribes should do what they feel best for their lands and reservation. If that means expanding their bison herds, they should. The wind river reservation is looking to expand bison herds there.

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
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Buzzy,

What is your preferred end state with this deal?

Expain it like you're dealing with a slow 5 year old.

Or don't, but you seem to have a advocacy position here and I don't get where you want it to finish or what is the preferred end state.

I do wish a very few of the MT whiners had your ability in affecting political issues instead of just whining here on the Fire as the world passes by them.

And Testor won't win again. wink
I think the tribes should do what they feel best for their lands and reservation. If that means expanding their bison herds, they should. The wind river reservation is looking to expand bison herds there.

Why should the Federal Goverment be spending money to increase tribal buffalo herds?


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