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Out of state money and influence is always appreciated in rural Montana.

Another Hint for Buzz:

Bison raised commercially are corralled and fed through the winter just like my cows are. Bison raised commercially are corralled and run through the squeeze chute for shots and vaccines just like my cows are. They are more expensive to raise and produce than are beef. The only reason they are commercially viable is because the meat sells for a higher price than does beef.


Yes, I have been a part of the proces of running them through the chute. And I have spent my time on horseback trying to get them contained where they belong. As I mentioned, the next door neighbor has a herd.

I went to school with him from elementary through High School and later spent every morning and afternoon riding to and from work with him as he was building that herd. I heard about every trial he faced, and got drafted to help with chores occasionally. We also worked with another guy who has a herd his Dad started almost sixty years ago.

In the case of the second herd, It was really fortunate that our employer had a generous attendance policy, as he frequently got calls from home that he had bison out in the neighbor's field or on the hiway. Then there was the day his wife called the p[ay phone in our break room.
"Hey that old buffalo cow is trying to push the fence over again."
"Well grab the 12 ga and pepper her ass. She will back off the fence"

10 minutes later, the pay phone rang again.
"Uh, I peppered her ass, but she staggered around the pen for a few minutes and then fell over. I think she is dead"
"Where did you get trhe shells from?"
"The box in the window over the kitchen sink."
"Well schitt, that was OO buck"
"I will be there in 10 minutes to skin her out."

So anyway, we are still waiting for you to explain to us where you gained your on the ground experience with either beef, or bison. Did Ted Turner write a book?

Who exactly is “they”? It ain’t their ‘I have a degree in journalism with a minor in environmental activism’ staff members. You have persistently refused to address the issue of where their funding comes from.

And “they” could stop any hunting or access at whim, like you’ve been saying; property rights of course.


So why don’t they buy up properties and then just donate them to the State of Montana?


Aye, there’s the rub. They are VERY different from “any other private landowner”.

But again, you yourself refuse to address the issue of exactly who they are and where their funding comes from.

Sure looks like, at the very least, 25 mil of tax-payer dollars to me.

Yeah, the fishbowl known as northeast MT.




It would be hilarious for you to go into Malta or Glasgow and explain to the residents how you're going to save the country side.

You could ask Bill Gates to back you up....lol

Nice red herring buzz, but you proved my point. They are not in the same realm.

Home mortgage deductions and federal ag subsidies benefit all kinds of producers and consumers, all across the country, in every state, without regard to race, creed, or color.

This grant benefits a small amount of people, based on their race. Explain how that's fair. What about the Chinese farmers who want to raise Bok choy, or the white boys who want to raise bison?

There will not nor ever has been any benefit from the tribes having buffalo.

Nor is there any local financial benefit from the APR.


Sorry Charlie.

This has been going on and Buzz has been saying “tell me this” for pages. He has been told and he still keeps bringing it on.

It is painfully clear, Buzz isn’t a listener, only a loudmouth that has his agenda to push and can’t tolerate other facts or opinions contrary to his…

Like I said before....he doesn't seem very astute.

Good post. I think it is getting lost in this discussion that bison are cattle and graze and use the range just like cattle.

While bison and Texas Longhorn cattle produce beef it is not nearly as acceptable to the taste of most people. I don't think anyone would have a problem with ranchers raising well contained disease free bison but in practice they don't stay contained very well, on large ranches some of them become almost impossible to corral. Therefore the Bangs positive bison can't be culled and they carry diseases onto neighboring cattle operations where they mix with the cattle. When big recalcitrant bison get loose in places where they are dangerous to highway traffic and domestic cattle owners the only recourse is to shoot them.

If they can be kept in I don't see a problem. If they are running loose pillaging crops and wrecking cars I say treat them like we do wild hogs. Shoot on sight and site, take it home or let the scavengers have it.

I haven't time to read this whole pissing match (just enough to add another poster to my c unt list )

Anyway, it's been instructive.....thank you gentlemen!

I see BHA head Busse/Buzzy is involved with another huge anti gun group moms demand action in the US


https://giffords.org/press-release/...ots-rally-for-gun-safety-senate-georgia/

funny how buzzy was paid by billionaires as a "wildlife specialist" to advise them to buy huge tracts of ranch land in Montana and then fence off wild elk and deer and antelope herds so that the general public couldn't access this public resource.

he's a lying grifter

Buzzy why didn't BHA stop the bear hunting ban that just passed in Washington ?

I thought your organization helped hunters with your millions of dollars?

Buzz, serious question - if Pres. Trump wins next year and delists wolves across America and mandates that national parks, ALL of them especially Yellowstone, open up to public hunting, would you support that??

Many of the influential BHA members help shut down the grizzly hunt in Montana and Wyoming and supported the introduction of wolves into the largest elk herd in Colorado

Ask Buzz if he supports gun confiscation

"They" are AP and they are not going to shut down public access or hunting on AP property. They have continually expanded hunting and opened up hunting on properties formerly off limits to the public. I truly couldn't care less about where their funding comes from, some of it comes from me and my family. Lots of other MT hunters I know also contribute. I also don't care about their staff members, all I've talked to have lots of experience, lots of knowledge, and are very pro hunting.

Could they stop access at any time? They could, but nothing they have done thus far is giving me any indication they ever will. It beats having it locked up by people like Malone, Kroenke, Carlton's, Gordy, etc. etc. etc. that flat have never, and will never allow the public to access it.

There is NO way I would purchase and donate land to the State of Montana. The State is under a mandate to fund the state trust, not to do what's in the best interest of habitat, wildlife, public access. Their job it to raise revenue including selling off State lands. You need to realize, State land IS NOT public land. Montana has already sold off significant amounts of its lands they acquired at Statehood. AP has a different vision and different management plan where public hunting, public access, improving habitat, protecting migration corridors, etc. is THE TOP priority over raising revenue for the state trust. Nothing wrong with State lands being used in such a matter, but hunters, access, and wildlife are not the priority.

The one thing you're correct about is that they are very different from many private landowners. They aren't interested in developing their property, subdividing it, grazing it to dirt for profit, etc. etc.

That's their right to do with it as they see fit, and in this case its to prioritize habitat, wildlife, recreation (hunting, fishing, etc.), and public access. I share those same values and it makes nothing but complete sense as a public land hunter to support their efforts.

I can understand the confusion from a Texan who has to pay a private landowner to hunt...we don't have to do that here.

He had 4 years to open Yellowstone to hunting and delist wolves...what happened?

BTW, that's about the dumbest question I've ever heard.

White boys that raise bison get theirs...study up.

Even by fire standards that's a dumb fugging question.