Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
so a recap. BHA is supposedly a group that raises money on the fact they support hunting and hunters.
However at the same time they want all of hunters firearms to be confiscated and receive tens of millions of dollars from well documented anti hunting groups and powerful anti gun lobbies AND IN FACT DO NOTHING FOR HUNTING AND FISHING
Curious what does this letter have to do with BHA ?
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by longarm
Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
Yet Reagan is a folk hero on the fire, even though he had a long history of being anti-hunting and anti-second amendment.
I plowed through much of this, painful though it was. Fairly typical pissing match with the majority on both sides afraid of answering questions.
I do have a few things to mention. I perused BHAs Facebook page and asked a few questions. It doesn't appear to be a very interactive page. Anywhere in their feed where I saw they mentioned working with a politician, that politician was a Democrat.
I had no idea who American Prairie was. I looked them up. What percentage of this BOD is Democrat? https://americanprairie.org/leadership/#national-board-of-directors I hate to judge based on looks, but there's a heavy team D influence in that group. ANYONE who trusts Democrats with their hunting and gun rights is a fool of the highest order.
Oh, so Reagan and Ford must have been democrats then? Keep going...I'm curious.
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Good lort. That was 30 years ago. Can we focus on the problems of today rather than dredging up news from 3 decades ago? Anyone who trusts their gun rights to today's democrats is a damn fool.
It wasn't that long ago, I know because I advocated for it, that Montana Hunters didn't even have the ability or right to hunt State owned lands in Montana.
I realize a shade less than 200,000 acres (??) is a drop in the bucket compared to National Forests but seriously, hunting was outlawed there?
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It’s not public, and the State Land Board will tell you that...in every State.
I know we’re merely talking semantics here, and I ain’t looking for cheap shots but….. …in at least seven western states, Washington, Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho, the constitutions define state lands as public.
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Montana has sold 700,000 acres since Statehood.
Which parcels and when? I mean you brung up Texas between 1850 thru 1901. I dunno if that’s actually relevant today, even in Texas 🙂
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Bottom line, I win, you whine....fact.
I dunno if my reaction to that AP youtube about moving buffalo could be construed as whining. It was the presentation (OMG a corral and chute consists of “thousands of parts” :lol: ) and the quasi new-agey quasi tribal background music that made my skin crawl
Other than that I have just been asking the obvious questions.
You either have no clue or are unwilling to state what background entities provide the majority of AP funding.
Do you also support or are you a member of BHA?
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
Buzzy what does this have to do with BHA a supposedly pro hunting organization raising money from hunters to ban hunting and firearms?
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by longarm
Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
Yet Reagan is a folk hero on the fire, even though he had a long history of being anti-hunting and anti-second amendment.
[quote=BuzzH]I truly couldn't care less about where their funding comes from, some of it comes from me and my family. Lots of other MT hunters I know also contribute.
The issue in question isn’t if you care where the majority of the money comes from, you have been avoiding the question.
Where does the majority of their funding come from?
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I also don't care about their staff members, all I've talked to have lots of experience, lots of knowledge, and are very pro hunting.
Strangely not reflected on their website and apparent target audience. You’re saying they walk like ducks and quack like ducks but they’re not.
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There is NO way I would purchase and donate land to the State of Montana. The State is under a mandate to fund the state trust, not to do what's in the best interest of habitat, wildlife, public access. Their job it to raise revenue including selling off State lands. You need to realize, State land IS NOT public land. Montana has already sold off significant amounts of its lands they acquired since statehood.
Seven State Forests in Montana and they’re not public lands? Montana got statehood in 1889, how much have they sold in the 21st Century?
In Montana State-owned Trust Land supports public education, is all State-owned land Trust Land?
According to their website they’re all about biodiversity etc etc etc.
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The one thing you're correct about is that they are very different from many private landowners. They aren't interested in developing their property, subdividing it, grazing it to dirt for profit, etc. etc.
How can you guess what they are interested in if you don’t know who’s paying?
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Real obvious you have little experience and no ability to research.
No worries, I set the bar for myself pretty low 🙂
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There is no reason for AP to donate their lands to the Feds or State, already gave you the reasons why. The reason you don't understand much about the State Trust lands is the fact you're a Texan.
State Trust Lands are those State-owned public lands set aside to generate funds for publulic education. But not all State lands are Trust Lands. OK, what did I miss?
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It wasn't that long ago, I know because I advocated for it, that Montana Hunters didn't even have the ability or right to hunt State owned lands in Montana.
I realize a shade less than 200,000 acres (??) is a drop in the bucket compared to National Forests but serious, hunting was outlawed there?
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It’s not public, and the State Land Board will tell you that...in every State.
I know we’re merely talking semantics here, and I ain’t looking for cheap shots but….. …in at least seven western states, Washington, Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho, the constitutions to find state lands as public.
[b]Montana has sold 700,000 acres since Statehood.
Which parcels and when? I mean you brung up Texas between 1850 thru 1901. I dunno if that’s actually relevant today, even in Texas 🙂
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Bottom line, I win, you whine....fact.
I dunno if my reaction to that AP youtube about moving buffalo could be construed as whining. It was the presentation (OMG a corral and chute consists of “thousands of parts” :lol: ) and the quasi new-agey quasi tribal background music that made my skin crawl
Other than that I have just been asking the obvious questions.
You either have no clue or are unwilling to state what background entities provide the majority of AP funding.
California lion hunting ban happened in 1990, 14 years before BHA existed.
Oh, and look at that...the Gipper was an anti-hunter, not surprised since he was also anti-gun and pro gun control.
Voters approved Proposition 117 in 1990, to codify a long-standing moratorium on lion hunting that had first been imposed by then Gov. Ronald Reagan in 1972.
Actually as I recall it the Fish and Game Commissiion instuted the ban on lion hunting for 20 years so that they could study the lion population in the state. I don't remember Regan having anything to do with it. At that time they had a $50 bounty on lion's in California. When the ban was about to be lifted the Hollywood elite and SPCA got wind of it and got all up in arms and got a ballot measure to ban the hunting of lions passed(prop 117). I think I remember Dorris Day being behind it. Years later after lions killed and ate a few joggers we tried to pass prop 197 which would have allowed lion hunting to occur again but it failed to pass. So now we have lions everwhere including the SF Bay area Baylands. This state hired professional wildlife biologist but did not follow their advice.
In 1971, Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the four-year hunting moratorium. The state began tagging and tracking mountain lions. The predators could be killed for attacking humans or livestock with a permit good for just 10 days, and only within 10 miles of where the attack happened.
It took effect at the end of the lion season in 1972...and was signed by the Gipper.[/quote]
In 1971 I was attending Humboldt State University majoring in wildlife management. The proposed morotorium on lion hunting was a topic of discussion. This was being pushed by wildlife biologists and not Regan. They had no desire to ban lion hunting permentanly. The moritorium was to be only for 20 years.
Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
Yet Reagan is a folk hero on the fire, even though he had a long history of being anti-hunting and anti-second amendment.
SMH...
So, we can agree that Reagan was no friend to the 2A then, and Busse is no friend to the 2A now. Since one is dead, that leaves only one to take issue with.
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�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
Buzz BHA has millions of dollars raised off of the backs of hard working sportsmen. How much did BHA donate to reinstate California lion hunting and Washington State spring bear season?
How many millions and resources does BHA spend on anti gun politics and legislation Buzz?
Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
Yet Reagan is a folk hero on the fire, even though he had a long history of being anti-hunting and anti-second amendment.
SMH...
On balance, Reagan was a damn good president. He had his warts though, as most politicians do.
If BHA is working with Democrats, they'd better watch their back...unless of course their real intentions are other than what they profess. If APs BOD is a bunch of Democrats, you can rest assured that your hunting access is in jeopardy. I believe you said earlier that they were playing the long game. Yes they are, and little do people realize they'll happily use pawns in their game.
Did Reagan receive millions a year to work for anti gun legislation lobbies like the sportsmen group BHA? lol
you can go away with your lies now buzzy
Originally Posted by NH K9
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by longarm
Ryan Busse: "The AR15 is mostly a symbol of political intimidation by the Right." Comment Buzz?
Care to comment on this:
May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.
Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.
The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.
While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.
Sincerely,
Gerald R. Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
I'll comment. That was 30 years ago, and they were not friends of the second amendment.
Yet Reagan is a folk hero on the fire, even though he had a long history of being anti-hunting and anti-second amendment.
SMH...
So, we can agree that Reagan was no friend to the 2A then, and Busse is no friend to the 2A now. Since one is dead, that leaves only one to take issue with.
