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You haven't got anything right yet Philly.


Good of you not to start now.


If Joe Biden pulled his dick out of your ass today and told the truth about Ukraine....you would change your tune.


Because you are spineless.

NATO "estimates" Russian losses. It's hard to know who is losing what but I do know this didn't have to be. All those buildings destroyed did not have to be. This entire thing is insanity. They were urged to talk with Putin very early. All he wanted is for Ukraine to be neutral and leave its Russian speaking citizens unharmed but that was apparently a bridge too far for the fearless Zelenskyy. isn't it a pretty site. We have our fearless leaders in Washington to blame for it all too since they financed it.

Name calling sure is useful, just look at the facts

Yep, and let’s not forget who it was that put Zelensky in power to serve as a puppet.

Which facts are you looking at?

Facts like how the US leader in CLNG stock price doubles and triples when ever our State dept meddles in Ukraine?


Those ones?

Boomer

1994 Trilateral Statement

At the time of Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine held the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world, including an estimated 1,900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), and 44 strategic bombers. By 1996, Ukraine had returned all of its nuclear warheads to Russia in exchange for economic aid and security assurances, and in December 1994, Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapon state-party to the 1968 nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). The last strategic nuclear delivery vehicle in Ukraine was eliminated in 2001 under the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START). It took years of political maneuvering and diplomatic work, starting with the Lisbon Protocol in 1992, to remove the weapons and nuclear infrastructure from Ukraine


The Massandra Accords set the stage for the ultimately successful trilateral talks. As the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994, repealing its earlier preconditions, but it would not accede to the NPT without further security assurances.


Budapest Memorandum

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.


1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.


Slick Willy was the pres at the time and perhaps he could have negotiated a different deal, and perhaps if Trump has remained pres he could have negotiated to prevent the current situation.

We will never know.

I dont support this "conflict" and dont take it as such, its just the facts that lead up to this, Biden's connection with Ukraine is certainly in question as well.

Keep in mind those nukes were ALL aimed at the US at that time.

Like it or not the US committed to this in 1994 and as Greyghost said, Russia is the aggressor, those are the facts. Not to say there isn't a lot of other meddling that took place.

another boomer war monger. Not surprised. Old neocon and neolib men love to send young American men to die in wars for nothing

You love to make stuff up and just generally stir the pot, that is your MO, how can I be a war monger if I said I was opposed to war....?

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution supersedes everything you just posted.

You just stated boomer that we are obligated to go to fight Russia. Why would I be nice to some demented old fool who wants a nuclear war with Russia which would obviously destroy our country?

Did our congress approve this war?

I just stated the facts, get over your self

I wish there was more Millennials hanging out here. I'd like to hear their opinions.