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Originally Posted by rong
There has to be a drop from your elevation to where it is in the manhole.
I thought you said the man hole was like 8' deep.( To late to go back tonight and look)
Once it hits property line they probably offset 2 -45* to gain depth.
Exactly...
The street is elevated about 2.5 to 3 ft above my lawn
All homes on south side of street are like that.
And all on north side equal or above street slightly.
I live on a ridge....

The city line is sloped upward to my line.
Because they can't have input lines equal to water level in sewer lines because of back flow.....

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Your service dump in the top of the main?


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Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.

I would expect the sewer main your lateral ties into to be 7-8 feet deep at a minimum and 20+ at a maximum.


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Originally Posted by Geno67
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.

Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out. Plenty of mains knocking on 100 years old.

They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Geno67
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.

Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out.

They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.

I see - my bad. Misinterpreted what he was saying.

Sadly - infiltration is quite common in some areas. People don't realize that chit goes right in the nearest creek when a hard rain happens.


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I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest
That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run.
What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.

I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying.
It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.

Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.

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Sorry...

But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.

I need to reach that city main hookup.

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Originally Posted by Geno67
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Geno67
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.

Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out.

They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.

Sadly - that is quite common in some areas.
Still have a few downspouts tied into sanitary. I like it when we did smoke tests and fogged peoples basements up because old floor drains were tied into the sanitary.


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Originally Posted by renegade50
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest
That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run.
What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.

I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying.
It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.

Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.

Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with.
And the misconception of being sniped at on here.


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Sorry...

But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.

I need to reach that city main hookup.
Hopefully there is a 45° section at the tap that can be shortened so you can get more fall. Make sense??

Knock another foot out of the bottom of that trench and toss gravel in, rake to the slope you need, tamp it in, lay pipe in and be good to go.

Main in street or on your side of the asphalt??

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The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.

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Originally Posted by renegade50
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest
That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run.
What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.

I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying.
It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.

Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.

Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with.
And the misconception of being sniped at on here.


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Sorry...

But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.

I need to reach that city main hookup.

Pard,,,smoke break,,
Everyone's just trying to help from afar.
Work with what ya got.Gain what you can at the house,you may get lucky and find an offset closer to prop line.
All good

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Originally Posted by Geno67
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Geno67
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.

Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out.

They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.

I see - my bad. Misinterpreted what he was saying.

Sadly - infiltration is quite common in some areas. People don't realize that chit goes right in the nearest creek when a hard rain happens.
They lined the sewers all over the city about 6 yrs ago.
Smoke tested.
Big inside out expanding out rolls of into the sewer lines.

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by renegade50
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest
That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run.
What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.

I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying.
It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.

Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.

Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with.
And the misconception of being sniped at on here.


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Sorry...

But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.

I need to reach that city main hookup.
Hopefully there is a 45° section at the tap that can be shortened so you can get more fall. Make sense??

Knock another foot out of the bottom of that trench and toss gravel in, rake to the slope you need, tamp it in, lay pipe in and be good to go.

Main in street or on your side of the asphalt??

That would be nice.

In the edge of the street about a ft

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Originally Posted by Geno67
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
This.

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Look just past the cleanout and the part where it gets steeper to go into the main is the turn down I'm talking about.

1 foot into the pavement - that's probably great. Your turn down should be revealed when you get close to the pavement.

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Just be careful with the tap. I would be very tempted to ha e the city put a new rubber tap on if it is easy to get a band around the main. Especially if it is a clay main the has a tap the is using concrete to hold the tap in place.

One of these.

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Originally Posted by rong
Originally Posted by renegade50
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest
That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run.
What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.

I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying.
It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.

Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.

Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with.
And the misconception of being sniped at on here.


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Sorry...

But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.

I need to reach that city main hookup.

Pard,,,smoke break,,
Everyone's just trying to help from afar.
Work with what ya got.Gain what you can at the house,you may get lucky and find an offset closer to prop line.
All good

I know man..

I need to reach that city main hookup.

If I have the ability to drop this trench based on what the fuuuk it's,
That would be easy to do to get that slope.

Take pics of it .

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Geno67
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
This.

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Might be related to that rube Goldberg bend stuff I encountered today..
I just gotta keep digging..
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Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Geno67
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
This.

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Might be related to that rube Goldberg bend stuff I encountered today..
I just gotta keep digging..
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Yep - could be.


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Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.

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Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by Geno67
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
This.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]zelda ocarina of time wallpaper

Might be related to that rube Goldberg bend stuff I encountered today..
I just gotta keep digging..
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Not near enough fall is part of what has created the issue you're dealing with, nobody took the time or work to get more fall either.

My bet is you can shorten that stub up out of the main and get more fall. Even if it is just 6 more inches it will help.


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