I'm gonna start digging the slit trench and fix the sewer line. One dude let me pick his brain over the phone. I described the job in depth. He provided answers and solutions in depth. Really appreciated that. Told me 200 dollars out of your pocket and 4 to 5 days not busting your azzhard. Rent a concrete saw. Lever and fulcrum side walk sections out and back once done. 350 to 400 if ya gotta buy pvc to replace, but if ya dig careful the line will spring back up to let better flow happen. Put chunks of brick or concrete block under line in V to support. Bury and tamp sides of line, then bury trench. Dude said most sewer lines are 12 to 15 inches deep and some as shallow as 6. Already did the figuring looking at the line thru the garage wall and the outdoor hose line above outside. It looks 6 to 8 inches deep and off set from the hose line about 8 inches.
Estimates 2800 3600 4700. Dude that let me pick his brain was the 2800 guy and said even if I did have him do it, it would next Thursday or Friday depending on weather.
Ain't like I ain't never dug a hole in the ground in 24 yrs in the Infantry. And I'm pretty sure a simple slit trench isn't as much as a PITA digging proper grenade sumps in a fighting postion 1 e tool deep..
Well you all have fun... Cause I know I ain't gonna the next 3 or 4 days.....
I'm gonna start digging the slit trench and fix the sewer line. One dude let me pick his brain over the phone. I described the job in depth. He provided answers and solutions in depth. Really appreciated that. Told me 200 dollars out of your pocket and 4 to 5 days not busting your azzhard. Rent a concrete saw. Lever and fulcrum side walk sections out and back once done. 350 to 400 if ya gotta buy pvc to replace, but if ya dig careful the line will spring back up to let better flow happen. Put chunks of brick or concrete block under line in V to support. Bury and tamp sides of line, then bury trench. Dude said most sewer lines are 12 to 15 inches deep and some as shallow as 6. Already did the figuring looking at the line thru the garage wall and the outdoor hose line above outside. It looks 6 to 8 inches deep and off set from the hose line about 8 inches.
Estimates 2800 3600 4700. Dude that let me pick his brain was the 2800 guy and said even if I did have him do it, it would next Thursday or Friday depending on weather.
Ain't like I ain't never dug a hole in the ground in 24 yrs in the Infantry. And I'm pretty sure a simple slit trench isn't as much as a PITA digging proper grenade sumps in a fighting postion 1 e tool deep..
Well you all have fun... Cause I know I ain't gonna the next 3 or 4 days.....
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Pard, It sounds like you have a plan and have received some helpful advice from someone with experience in the matter. It's great that you are willing to take on the task yourself and save some money, but make sure to take the necessary precautions and safety measures while digging the trench and working on the sewer line. It's important to work carefully and methodically to avoid any accidents or damage to the line. Good luck with the project!
I'm gonna start digging the slit trench and fix the sewer line. One dude let me pick his brain over the phone. I described the job in depth. He provided answers and solutions in depth. Really appreciated that. Told me 200 dollars out of your pocket and 4 to 5 days not busting your azzhard. Rent a concrete saw. Lever and fulcrum side walk sections out and back once done. 350 to 400 if ya gotta buy pvc to replace, but if ya dig careful the line will spring back up to let better flow happen. Put chunks of brick or concrete block under line in V to support. Bury and tamp sides of line, then bury trench. Dude said most sewer lines are 12 to 15 inches deep and some as shallow as 6. Already did the figuring looking at the line thru the garage wall and the outdoor hose line above outside. It looks 6 to 8 inches deep and off set from the hose line about 8 inches.
Estimates 2800 3600 4700. Dude that let me pick his brain was the 2800 guy and said even if I did have him do it, it would next Thursday or Friday depending on weather.
Ain't like I ain't never dug a hole in the ground in 24 yrs in the Infantry. And I'm pretty sure a simple slit trench isn't as much as a PITA digging proper grenade sumps in a fighting postion 1 e tool deep..
Well you all have fun... Cause I know I ain't gonna the next 3 or 4 days.....
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Pard, It sounds like you have a plan and have received some helpful advice from someone with experience in the matter. It's great that you are willing to take on the task yourself and save some money, but make sure to take the necessary precautions and safety measures while digging the trench and working on the sewer line. It's important to work carefully and methodically to avoid any accidents or damage to the line. Good luck with the project!
Oh yeah ... Gentle digging and scraping horizontal and shaving vertical. Goal is to not damage it and get it to spring up the bow...
Digging any kind of a trench in rainy weather is going to be a PITA, no matter how deep it is. Yes the ground will be soft, but it will fill up with runoff every time there's a little shower. Factor in temps in the 40's or below like we're having now, and you'll really be miserable!
Goal today is get to the sidewalk about 10 ft away and about 3 foot on other side of it.
Already had the city scope it about 3 weeks ago. About 28 ft in from the city line is where the bow/ water trap starts and it begins about 7 ft away from the house and runs for about 30 ft .
Dude on the phone said digging about 5 to 6 ft on either side of those measurements should let it flex back to its normal slope for flow...
Dude on the phone said digging about 5 to 6 ft on either side of those measurements should let it flex back to its normal slope for flow...
If it's plastic of any kind (ABS or PVC) I wouldn't count on it "springing back". If it does at all it will take time. It keeps a memory. If it bowed or sagged over time it will take time to come back if it ever does. I also wouldn't ever stack bricks or anything under it. This will cause it to sag between those supports. Dig and expose it and use small stone or gravel to create a continuous "bed" under the pipe at the elevation you want and then bury it again.
I'm from PA so our sewer lines are installed deeper and probably different than yours , but pipe is pipe and I've buried miles of it.
Go to the engineer’s office and pull the profiles on the sewer main for Beacon Hills
Locate you nearest manhole and count your stationing footage backwards. The profile will give you an approximate depth at least at the main side.
Hopefully the last 20ft is not under the pavement or in proximity to other perpendicular services like gas
Your back stationing on the horizontal graph will give you an address determination
The easiest thing to do (if they’ll do it for homeowner) is to have Rat or Alex come out and TV the main from the downstream manhole and mark off the footage witu spray paint where your Tee or Wye comes off the main.
Dude on the phone said digging about 5 to 6 ft on either side of those measurements should let it flex back to its normal slope for flow...
If it's plastic of any kind (ABS or PVC) I wouldn't count on it "springing back". If it does at all it will take time. It keeps a memory. If it bowed or sagged over time it will take time to come back if it ever does. I also wouldn't ever stack bricks or anything under it. This will cause it to sag between those supports. Dig and expose it and use small stone or gravel to create a continuous "bed" under the pipe at the elevation you want and then bury it again.
I'm from PA so our sewer lines are installed deeper and probably different than yours , but pipe is pipe and I've buried miles of it.
That might be a good idea once I get a look at it. Thinking I can brick it V under its length of the bow hopefully. Or like you are saying. Run down to the creek with the chebby and get some gravel.
If you got a buddy with a tractor and a subsoiler he can spend 5 minutes and make your digging job much easier. You'll have to dig the soil out after he finishes. But the subsoiler will break it up so that you just have to scoop it out.
Go to the engineer’s office and pull the profiles on the sewer main for Beacon Hills
Locate you nearest manhole and count your stationing footage backwards. The profile will give you an approximate depth at least at the main side.
Hopefully the last 20ft is not under the pavement or in proximity to other perpendicular services like gas
Your back stationing on the horizontal graph will give you an address determination
The easiest thing to do (if they’ll do it for homeowner) is to have Rat or Alex come out and TV the main from the downstream manhole and mark off the footage witu spray paint where your Tee or Wye comes off the main.
You are a damn good Pard! We can do this making the fire great again!
Good luck, and while you are doing the job maybe drop that turd 79 in.
Oh my.... That is not a nice thing to say at all about a Pard... 🤷♂️😖😔🤷♂️
I don’t know why pards say hurtful things about other pards?? I’m just trying to bring thoughtful, kind dialogue to the virtual campfire.
Because you are full of crap and bring nothing to the table, even bcbrian and bigstick were better than you. So many of your fellow Americans add more in one post than you have ever contributed!
You need to bed it. Use fine gravel - not chunks of anything. The only pipe that will bend is PVC or HDPE. They're dirt cheap (relatively speaking) and will bend again in the same places if not more places. Replace the line, bed with fine gravel 6" deep and 6" on each side at the proper grade. When you backfill, be sure it is below the frost line. It won't burst from freezing but it will clog until it thaws.
Good luck, and while you are doing the job maybe drop that turd 79 in.
Oh my.... That is not a nice thing to say at all about a Pard... 🤷♂️😖😔🤷♂️
I don’t know why pards say hurtful things about other pards?? I’m just trying to bring thoughtful, kind dialogue to the virtual campfire.
Because you are full of crap and bring nothing to the table, even bcbrian and bigstick were better than you. So many of your fellow Americans add more in one post than you have ever contributed!
Well Pard you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Just like the old ways of the campfire! 👊🙏
I paid ~6500 for a new lateral last fall. They dug 2 holes. One outside, one in the basement. Replaced the cast with plastic. 32 feet worth. Never actually dug a trench.
If I went to the work and trouble of exposing any line, that line would be replaced no question. New waste line properly put back in and I never look at that area again. Priceless trade off.
If I went to the work and trouble of exposing any line, that line would be replaced no question. New waste line properly put back in and I never look at that area again. Priceless trade off.
Osky
Me too. Mini ex, trench next to the line to expose, remove old pipe, level and deepen trench for bedding substrate, prepare bed, install new pipe, cover, pour two fingers and get neck rub from the Redhead.
You can spend a LOT of time and money “saving” $200 worth of pipe.
Shush... Mr I live out in the county guy and can get away with schitt... 🥴🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🥴
Done for the day. Need to address the clean out valve . Replace that and have the fuuuking cap thing above ground Loosing a inch right off the back from the house from whoever Did the craptastic joint job on that. Pipe looks good to me so far Got about 25 ft more to that circle in the pic to the city pipe you can the low spot in the lawn where the pipe has settled. Cause sir dick of head whoever didn't do it right before... 😡😡😡 Probably get the concrete saw in the morning Get the walkway cut on the pour joints. Get those sections moved. Dig out that section then to the city line. Get a level on the pipe see where I gotta bring it up to fix the bow and get slope to city line from the house line
Fuuking cantaloupe size rocks all in the back fill all over the pipe from zippy the pinhead who did it before.
Good luck, and while you are doing the job maybe drop that turd 79 in.
Oh my.... That is not a nice thing to say at all about a Pard... 🤷♂️😖😔🤷♂️
I don’t know why pards say hurtful things about other pards?? I’m just trying to bring thoughtful, kind dialogue to the virtual campfire.
Because you are full of crap and bring nothing to the table, even bcbrian and bigstick were better than you. So many of your fellow Americans add more in one post than you have ever contributed!
Huh..🤔🤔🤔
Pard 79S text me a bunch of pics last night. With snowmobiles and a dead Bull Winkle in the world's largest jet sled thingamabob from the frozen northern lands.
Shhhhh... It more than that getting up to the 60 mark in da checking account now.
Trying to save Benjamin's ain't a bad thing..... ( ammo, ammo, ammo) The more I save on this the less I hear the Khanarella bytch. Less bytch is always a good thing.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This pipe looks GTG to me. If your in town tommorow or wensday swing and look at it and tell me what ya think. Homie ain't a sewer pipeologist....
So far all 1 straight peice and run and no joint except the one buy the house No cracks, no bulges, no flat spots . Just a round intact " new" looking pipe to me. No fugged up damp earth in the trench in any one spot. Have exposed the pipe so far over 3/4ths of its circumfrance. So far looks good.
If the pipe has positive grade under the sidewalk, I’d not cut the concrete.
Low spot under the side walk big time man. Sidewalk was put in after the pipe and settled on it. Had to have been and I'm betting it was right after they did the sewer pipe and the schit was not settled and obviously not back filled right from all the fuuuucking boulders I have found on and around the pipe so far.
JFC.... I aint never done this before. But it don't take much to see what was right or wrong and how to do it right...
I figure I got about 15 to 17 ft of digging to get out of the bow in the pipe per the city scope guys 3 weeks ago. And I want to get almost to the city line as close as possible to not have flex if I use the same pipe or a new one when I properly back fill the trench.
I work at the food bank from 9-12 and back at Geology dept at 1:20
6ft level might be of some help
Dude if you have one and time is pressed for ya . Just keep it in your car or drop it off on the porch.
Honestly..
I was just gonna use a string and 2 stakes as reference at the house pipe and the end of the city pipe. A stick and a sharpie and take readings along it.
Go old school state surveyor team road crown crew job I had before joining the army.
Go to the engineer’s office and pull the profiles on the sewer main for Beacon Hills
Locate you nearest manhole and count your stationing footage backwards. The profile will give you an approximate depth at least at the main side.
Hopefully the last 20ft is not under the pavement or in proximity to other perpendicular services like gas
Your back stationing on the horizontal graph will give you an address determination
The easiest thing to do (if they’ll do it for homeowner) is to have Rat or Alex come out and TV the main from the downstream manhole and mark off the footage witu spray paint where your Tee or Wye comes off the main.
Man hole right in the road inline with pipe.
The zippys were replacing water line stuff for like a week . That was when I had one of the cats run the scope and find all the measurements for me. Probably one of the dudes you mentioned. Older guy. I dropped your name of course . Dude asked how you was doing.
He gave me advice on doing it on my own also... After we talked about you for awhile. And of course Willyg came up and we both LOLing about him. And I asked about the bathroom incident . Dude was in stitches LOLing about that. 🧐🤣🤣🤣 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
City goes 13 ft off the main sewer. Goes 8 to 9 ft in my lawn. Wrote down all the measurements cause I knew I had this looming to get done.
I'm a social butterfly. I can get people to do stuff . And it's like serve pro. It never happened🤔😁😁😁
Only holes I have dug since mid March 2003 have been pet graves..
Felt like a fuuuking German today. Endless digging and not accomplishing schit. Until I seen progress. But I hit my goal for the day per time hack plan for 3 to 4 days to get this done. Tommorow is start early and dig till done and maybe concrete saw the side walk sections.
I might just try dual bottle jacking it up with a 2x4 going to both jacks underthat low spot on thr walk way brace it up higher than the level it is supposed to be at prior to settling . Do the mole routine dig out the pipe under the side walk like the trench to set that up....
Might spare me the exspense of renting the concrete saw. And I got 2 bottle jack and 2x4,s and other wood for bracing.
Then settle the side walk back down to level and not bowed after back filling it right and maybe placing some thin paver slabs under it to maintain level and spread weight out.
Been a while since I've dealt with leaky/plugged piping! ...or dug a trench!
Don't forget to slope the pipe downhill. Forget the slope. Like 1":10'. Not much, but it's crucial. As to where the pipe goes under the walk, I'd cut in a grate so that should it happen again, you won't have to cut the walkway again. "Fecal matter occurs!".
I'd bed the pipe with sand* about halfway, then backfill. Remove the rocks (if possible) from the backfill.
From studies done by the AWWA, the life expectancy of PVC underground is approximately 1500 years! They haven't completed any testing at this time.
Ren, I didn't know you lived in a city. For some reason that surprises me. Not a slight, just a comment.
Live in a subdivision off 41A bypass just before Ashland city rd/ hwy 12. Beacon Hills. Since 2001. Probably have seen cops in here 8 or 9 times. I think they got lost most of the time wondering where the fuuk does this street go???
We even got a Black Family in the neighborhood now since late 2021. And a Mexican Family too... The Black dude is a mil retired type. The cans do roofing. Probably about 1/2 the homeowners here are retired military.
Rest of us of about 40 45 homes all whitey.. Homes all made 1964 to 65 in here.
800 acres of land behind the house I used to have permission to hunt. Got a nice long term occupied arrowhead spot about 600 yds as the crow files by the Cumberland.
Now those woods and fields getting filled up with MCmansions.
I thought most knew I lived in City limits. Clarksville occupies a large area.
Ren, I didn't know you lived in a city. For some reason that surprises me. Not a slight, just a comment.
Live in a subdivision off 41A bypass just before Ashland city rd/ hwy 12. Beacon Hills. Since 2001. Probably have seen cops in here 8 or 9 times. I think they got lost most of the time wondering where the fuuk does this street go???
We even got a Black Family in the neighborhood now since late 2021. And a Mexican Family too... The Black dude is a mil retired type. The cans do roofing. Probably about 1/2 the homeowners here are retired military.
Rest of us of about 40 45 homes all whitey.. Homes all made 1964 to 65 in here.
800 acres of land behind the house I used to have permission to hunt. Got a nice long term occupied arrowhead spot about 600 yds as the crow files by the Cumberland.
Now getting filled up with MCmansions.
I thought most knew I lived in City limits. Clarksville occupies a large area.
I still consider myself a FNG here, always learning about folks lol. Figured you were on a lump of land out in the boonies.
My parents are looking at several areas to permanently retire (again), and Clarksville is one of those areas. Good to know it's got some nice areas, though they're looking for about 200 acres, so who knows where they'll land.
Ren, I didn't know you lived in a city. For some reason that surprises me. Not a slight, just a comment.
Live in a subdivision off 41A bypass just before Ashland city rd/ hwy 12. Beacon Hills. Since 2001. Probably have seen cops in here 8 or 9 times. I think they got lost most of the time wondering where the fuuk does this street go???
We even got a Black Family in the neighborhood now since late 2021. And a Mexican Family too... The Black dude is a mil retired type. The cans do roofing. Probably about 1/2 the homeowners here are retired military.
Rest of us of about 40 45 homes all whitey.. Homes all made 1964 to 65 in here.
800 acres of land behind the house I used to have permission to hunt. Got a nice long term occupied arrowhead spot about 600 yds as the crow files by the Cumberland.
Now getting filled up with MCmansions.
I thought most knew I lived in City limits. Clarksville occupies a large area.
I still consider myself a FNG here, always learning about folks lol. Figured you were on a lump of land out in the boonies.
My parents are looking at several areas to permanently retire (again), and Clarksville is one of those areas. Good to know it's got some nice areas, though they're looking for about 200 acres, so who knows where they'll land.
Stewart County has land. Montgomery County way more expensive.
Lotta land auctions and sales in the area. Quick sales happen alot by inheritance types who have 0 interest in farming or hunting. Large lots get sold to developers for subdivisions. Attract buyers because they are outside city limits/ tax rates Then boom 3 to 5 years later the city annexs em into city limits. Homeowners pissed . Good Ole boys like Mace and Tucker developers and other developers play the game with their good Ole boys in Clarksville .gov. Been going on for decades and Clarksville city limits land area keeps expanding. I 1st got here in July 90. Population was around 79k Now it is up around 160k IIRC. Never has stopped growing. Never has really seen economic hard times. Business friendly . Industrial park. Right to work state. No state income tax, liberal socialist Democrats always trying to fuuk with that here.
High standard low cost of living . Unlike other cities and states.
I'm one of those Damm Yankee soldiers that arrived here 33 yrs ago this july and decided to stay here.
Thanks for posting that! I’ve been having sewer clogging problems for awhile and have not been checking to see if I was snaking two way clean outs. That would explain some of my puzzling results if the snake was going upstream and not downstream.
I think the best way to ensure that you're digging up the line again in the near future is to try to take the slump out of the existing pipe. Sounds like you plan on replacing the clean out. You really need to replace the pipe from the clean out to the road side of the far low spot. With the pipe out of the trench, remove any loose fill that was put in under the line originally. Replace with pea gravel under the pipe. Once you have the line dug up, the hardest part is done.
Pipe is relatively inexpensive. If you don't replace the pipe and fix it right this time, it will start causing problems again during the peak of next fall's rut....🦌
You might consider using some sakcrete to bed pipe. Put it in their dry. It will get hard, will keep belly out of line. It could be line was originally dug with a trenching machine. They throw loose dirt back in if they get too deep. It settles, causes bellies in the sewer lines. A 4” line should fall an inch every 8’.
Is there any fiber-optic, phone or cable lines buried that you might dig up or cut? Sounds like you have it figured out and saved a good chunk of money.
I hate digging holes so bad, that I talked the wife into a backhoe attachment when I bought a new tractor in 2013. I don't use it often, but when I do it's worth every penny. I've actually made my money back on it in just a few big projects. I buried 3 neighbors horses for $500 ea. (they insisted on paying me), dug a septic tank and dug a storm shelter hole (saved $2500 doing it myself). Not to mention all the other little digging tasks I've used it for.
‘50…unless I missed something it seems your sag is short of that concrete walkway? If so replace that run with ABS. 1/4” per foot fall and bed in sand..
Pass on all that trying to jack the belly outta your line nonsense brother
Keep in mind while replacing that cleanout, I know it’s right close to your house and shallow, but a two way thats plugged up and full of sewage makes it awfully hard to tell which way your snake is going…
Better in most cases to run two combos back to back so you KNOW which way you’re going
damn rough job. i had roots in mine 2 years ago about this time. one thing i can do is dig. one of the strong back weak mind types even at 74. but the concrete cutting would be the worst.
If the pipe is good, shoot the grade from the house end to the other end. If you have 1/8 - 1/4" per foot grade, just string line the pipe, and bring it back to grade, with a firm bottom trench. Then backfill, compacting in lifts.
Lever and fulcrum Toby labor ...🤦♂️🤦♂️😖😖😖🤷♂️🤣 Keep building up height with blocks till angled up enough that I had ergo and gravity advantage to flip the fuukers outta the way and then simply lever and fulcrum away more out of the immediate work area.
Took homie about 20 25 mins with the concrete saw and then about 90 mins doing Toby work.
Lever and fulcrum Toby labor ...🤦♂️🤦♂️😖😖😖🤷♂️🤣 Keep building up height with blocks till angled up enough that I had ergo and gravity advantage to flip the fuukers outta the way and then simply lever and fulcrum away more out of the immediate work area.
Took homie about 20 25 mins with the concrete saw and then about 90 mins doing Toby work.
All the Star Trek series are on H&I 7 to 12 Sun thru Friday.
Homie likes Star Trek shows.
Homie ain't gonna do dirt dirt work at night...
Fugg dat....
Dude,
you got that fancy phones you can probably stream that Star Trek stuff right out to the trench.
If you don't have one, I bet that rent a center where you got the saw has one of them portatent shade covers, and some battery operated lights on tripods. Keep workin' man, that pipe ain't going to fix itself. Bring out a folding TV table, set your phone up on that, stream the Star Wars, fix that pipe.
Had to chime in,,,Spend a couple hundo and get a small load of oughts+ 1's of pea gravel and bed that sum bish in stone.1/4" /ft is good can get away with 1/8" if need be. If you are going to replace the line use sched.40,not abs,not cell core, "schedule 40" and bed in stone.Usually don't have to compact pea stone, Odds are pipe won't spring back,,,,don't know what origional issue was.
RING DEFLECTION The first analysis of soil pressures on buried pipe was proposed by Marston et. al (1913), Dean of Engineering at Iowa State College, for culverts to de-water muddy rural roads. The Marston load (Marston 1930) on buried pipe was the total weight of soil in the trench above the pipe, reduced by frictional resistance of the trench walls, Figure 1a. The pipe had to support the Marston load. The pipes were rigid (concrete or clay). Marston's student, Merlin G. Spangler showed that flexible corrugated steel pipe does not need to support Marston load because it deflects as the soil embedment is compressed during backfilling (Spangler 1941). For flexible pipe design, the load on the pipe is PD, where P = Pd (dead load pressure at top of pipe) + Pl (live load pressure at top of pipe) and D is pipe diameter. The prism load, PD, is conservative because installers do not compact soil against the pipe. The pipe is embedded in a "packing" of less dense soil that serves the same way as does packing around an item in a shipping container. The pipe is relieved of part of the prism load which the soil then picks up in arching action over the pipe, Figure 1b. Figure 1a, b: Marston Load (ASCE 2009), and Soil Arching (Watkins 2001) Flexible pipes, when buried, are expected to undergo vertical deflection due to the dead weight of soil and the effect of live loads, on top of the pipe. When deflection of a flexible conduit takes place, 2
RING DEFLECTION The first analysis of soil pressures on buried pipe was proposed by Marston et. al (1913), Dean of Engineering at Iowa State College, for culverts to de-water muddy rural roads. The Marston load (Marston 1930) on buried pipe was the total weight of soil in the trench above the pipe, reduced by frictional resistance of the trench walls, Figure 1a. The pipe had to support the Marston load. The pipes were rigid (concrete or clay). Marston's student, Merlin G. Spangler showed that flexible corrugated steel pipe does not need to support Marston load because it deflects as the soil embedment is compressed during backfilling (Spangler 1941). For flexible pipe design, the load on the pipe is PD, where P = Pd (dead load pressure at top of pipe) + Pl (live load pressure at top of pipe) and D is pipe diameter. The prism load, PD, is conservative because installers do not compact soil against the pipe. The pipe is embedded in a "packing" of less dense soil that serves the same way as does packing around an item in a shipping container. The pipe is relieved of part of the prism load which the soil then picks up in arching action over the pipe, Figure 1b. Figure 1a, b: Marston Load (ASCE 2009), and Soil Arching (Watkins 2001) Flexible pipes, when buried, are expected to undergo vertical deflection due to the dead weight of soil and the effect of live loads, on top of the pipe. When deflection of a flexible conduit takes place, 2
How about just a pick up load of good gravel . Probably 2 yards should be more than enough?
Ummm here is what I get outta all that.. Use gravel on the bottom tamped and then set the pipe. And tamp sides while back filling to top of pipe Fill center core Tamp center core light. Tamp sides hard
Tamp across entire once level with ground. Then fill another 3 inches above ground and a final tamp.
And take all the cantaloupe sized fuuuking rocks outta the back fill the other momo left in I dug the fuuuk up out of the trench.
I don't think it is very deep coming out of the house in relation to the outside hose. Probably around 6 inches.
Consider yourself lucky, Rene.
Ours was 4 feet down and the clown that did the sewer when they built the place used the wrong "schedule" PVC, so it was full of tree roots and completely crushed.
I don't think it is very deep coming out of the house in relation to the outside hose. Probably around 6 inches.
Consider yourself lucky, Rene.
Ours was 4 feet down and the clown that did the sewer when they built the place used the wrong "schedule" PVC, so it was full of tree roots and completely crushed.
Tommorow is dig day about 25 ft.🤦♂️😖🤦♂️ Getting deeper going out on the lawn. Should start rising again out of the bow per the scope measurements I got 3 weeks ago.
I'm 68 bucks into this . 62 for the saw 6 for a pair of work gloves. Blisters from digging suck.. BTDT too many times...
Probably get 2 yds of gravel tommorow in the back of the truck to have on hand for backfill Thursday.
I don't think it is very deep coming out of the house in relation to the outside hose. Probably around 6 inches.
Consider yourself lucky, Rene.
Ours was 4 feet down and the clown that did the sewer when they built the place used the wrong "schedule" PVC, so it was full of tree roots and completely crushed.
Orangeburg
Tar paper pipe
All old grampy types used that so they could save money and buy some Falstaff
And then I show up in the van, and do my Dullard old man “heeeeeyyyyyyyy”
Stop digging and and have a conversation with me while I sit in my van and smell like sour milk.
🤣🤣🤣
Perfect
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy
Ya know I woulda never dug that ditch out like that, I would have got a grubbin hoe and then would have laid down some visqueen as a liner to protect my fescue.
And then I show up in the van, and do my Dullard old man “heeeeeyyyyyyyy”
Stop digging and and have a conversation with me while I sit in my van and smell like sour milk.
🤣🤣🤣
Perfect
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy
Ya know I woulda never dug that ditch out like that, I would have got a grubbin hoe and then would have laid down some visqueen as a liner to protect my fescue.
Heeeeeeeeeyy
Also, I know ya busy and all
Have you ever read that Elmer Keith book….??? And Tom Sawyer he would got his buddies into diggin with him and tell them its fun
You like Mark Twain?
No relation to Shania
Anyway, been nice chattin with yas, I’ll come back in 2 hours and ask ya about push button transmissions
I don't think it is very deep coming out of the house in relation to the outside hose. Probably around 6 inches.
Consider yourself lucky, Rene.
Ours was 4 feet down and the clown that did the sewer when they built the place used the wrong "schedule" PVC, so it was full of tree roots and completely crushed.
Tommorow is dig day about 25 ft.🤦♂️😖🤦♂️ Getting deeper going out on the lawn. Should start rising again out of the bow per the scope measurements I got 3 weeks ago.
I'm 68 bucks into this . 62 for the saw 6 for a pair of work gloves. Blisters from digging suck.. BTDT too many times...
Probably get 2 yds of gravel tommorow in the back of the truck to have on hand for backfill Thursday.
At least that is the time line plan for now.
One of my dad's favorite sayings would be "I could eat that much dirt". My dad worked construction, laboring and doing ditch work in the 60's. He set miles of clay pipe in 4' sections. Then he got a job as a coal miner and worked underground until he retired. In '78, my dad was forced to tap into public sewer. Didn't have enuf $$ to pay someone to dig the ditch because he was busy feeding my brother and me..... and as growing boys we could fugging eat!!!! The sewer came out under the basement floor and was about 9' deep at the house and approx 12' deep at the street! Maybe 70-80 feet long. He dug that fugging thing by hand!!! Would come home from the mine, eat a sammich and get busy digging. Did that everyday until it was done. When you're feeling tough, just try throwing dirt up out of a ditch 12' deep.... My dad tore right through it and never bitched.... just did what he had to do.
Dude on the phone said digging about 5 to 6 ft on either side of those measurements should let it flex back to its normal slope for flow
Had a sag that caused a back up every year. Replacing city sewer lines and workers said when they exposed the line it sprung back to where it belonged. packed under it, never a problem since.
Ya know I woulda never dug that ditch out like that, I would have got a grubbin hoe and then would have laid down some visqueen as a liner to protect my fescue.
Visqueen is not in the budget....
Originally Posted by renegade50
I'm 68 bucks into this . 62 for the saw 6 for a pair of work gloves.
Probably get 2 yds of gravel tommorow in the back of the truck to have on hand for backfill Thursday.
It's schedule 40 pipe. So far looks primo condition . Have not run into any joint sleeves yet on its run.
1st digging gonna be the spot under the side walk . Then out into the lawn 25ft I'm thinking by scope guys measurements. Hopefully around 13 14 ft the level will show I'm getting out of the bow...
This digging is gonna suck . But not as bad as moving them slabs yesterday sucked...
😡😡😡😡 Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk... 😡😡😡🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️😡😡😡 Now this forces me to make a decision about a cut 2ft on either side of the side walk and sticking a section in.
It,s not flexed on this joint.
Smoke break the start digging out into the lawn...
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk..."
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk..."
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
Exactly . They shoulda planned and at least gave themselves a 2 to 3 ft leeway for joints on either side. Next door neighbor said the side walk was done the next week
No wonder the fuuking thing settled and cracked right on top of the pipe...
I ain't gonna kill myself, gonna change time line and dig tommorow also. Supposed to rain on Friday. Dgaf about trench getting wet. Then Saturday thru Monday good weather. Geuss getting this backfilled in by tommorow and using Saturday to reset the sidewalk was a pipe dream.. 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🥴🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️
Do 15ft max today see how far I get into the house side of the bow today. I can see it starting in the span of about the last 7or 8ft. Ran the level down it pretty pronounced to one side bubble change from the rest of the run back to the house. And still pulling up cantaloupe sized rocks.😡😡😡 Call it quits at 3....
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
Exactly . They shoulda planned and at least gave themselves a 2 to 3 ft leeway for joints on either side. Next door neighbor said the side walk was done the next week
No wonder the fuuking thing settled and cracked right on top of the pipe...
My bad, took it to mean years later. Rain Friday? Heading down to meet with an excavator Friday......dammit!!
If they used the right glue and let it cure, that coupler should be as good as a weld joint. As strong as a straight run. Let it be unless it looks suspect.
If they used the right glue and let it cure, that coupler should be as good as a weld joint. As strong as a straight run. Let it be unless it looks suspect.
Agree!
Now dig, get this over with, quit been a pussy.
Damn rain will probably make the trench walls cave in then you'll have to dig the damn thing twice!
If they used the right glue and let it cure, that coupler should be as good as a weld joint. As strong as a straight run. Let it be unless it looks suspect.
It looks good man . Just ticks me off that it is their. I aint never done anything like this. But common sense would have ruled if it was my project long ago.
Got a plan in head to build a bridge under the slabs when I place them back with couple peices of 10 ft angle iron. Peice off mind distribute weight off the back fill under the side walk and that joint
Been finding that asphalt on the cheap pee paw Falstaff beer sewer pipe slumlord mentioned
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk..."
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
Exactly . They shoulda planned and at least gave themselves a 2 to 3 ft leeway for joints on either side. Next door neighbor said the side walk was done the next week
No wonder the fuuking thing settled and cracked right on top of the pipe...
Shouldn't matter had it been bedded on top of fine gravel, 1/2" or less, then encased in the same gravel a few inches over the pipe.
We have replaced lines and poured back within days. If the pipe is on a solid bed whatever happens above it won't matter.
Joints under the walk shouldn't matter either. A lot of slabs poured right on top of a lot of joints and have more weight on them than that 10 Sq ft of sidewalk.
Build gravel up to bottom of where sidewalk will be, just like a gravel sub grade.
Don't set pipe right on dirt. Dig out enough for a gravel bed.
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk..."
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
Exactly . They shoulda planned and at least gave themselves a 2 to 3 ft leeway for joints on either side. Next door neighbor said the side walk was done the next week
No wonder the fuuking thing settled and cracked right on top of the pipe...
Shouldn't matter had it been bedded on top of fine gravel, 1/2" or less, then encased in the same gravel a few inches over the pipe.
We have replaced lines and poured back within days. If the pipe is on a solid bed whatever happens above it won't matter.
Joints under the walk shouldn't matter either.
Well . They obviously didn't do schit like that..
Fuuking boulders Fuuking red clay and brown dirt 0 sign of sand or gravel anywhere along bottom or sides of pipe encountered.
But sand and gravel mix will be their before I back fill minus all these fuuuuuking cantaloupe rocks.
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk..."
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
Exactly . They shoulda planned and at least gave themselves a 2 to 3 ft leeway for joints on either side. Next door neighbor said the side walk was done the next week
No wonder the fuuking thing settled and cracked right on top of the pipe...
Shouldn't matter had it been bedded on top of fine gravel, 1/2" or less, then encased in the same gravel a few inches over the pipe.
We have replaced lines and poured back within days. If the pipe is on a solid bed whatever happens above it won't matter.
Joints under the walk shouldn't matter either.
Well . They obviously didn't do schit like that..
Fuuking boulders Fuuking red clay and brown dirt 0 sign of sand or gravel anywhere along bottom or sides of pipe encountered.
But sand and gravel mix will be their before I back fill minus all these fuuuuuking cantaloupe rocks.
Wait one for a pic.
That's residential for you. Lots of things done there that wouldn't fly in the commercial/industrial world.
We redid my grandpa's about 4 years ago. Had to fight our way through a bunch of fill when we dug it up. Pieces of 100 year old concrete, footings all kinds of Schmitt.
House was put up in 71 in an area that had once been an old farm.
" Even I woulda known to fuuukkng measure a clear run under the fuuuking side walk and put the 1st fuuuking joint up near the house to allow the run under the side walk..."
Didn't I read prior that the sidewalk was most likely done after?
Exactly . They shoulda planned and at least gave themselves a 2 to 3 ft leeway for joints on either side. Next door neighbor said the side walk was done the next week
No wonder the fuuking thing settled and cracked right on top of the pipe...
Shouldn't matter had it been bedded on top of fine gravel, 1/2" or less, then encased in the same gravel a few inches over the pipe.
We have replaced lines and poured back within days. If the pipe is on a solid bed whatever happens above it won't matter.
Joints under the walk shouldn't matter either.
Well . They obviously didn't do schit like that..
Fuuking boulders Fuuking red clay and brown dirt 0 sign of sand or gravel anywhere along bottom or sides of pipe encountered.
But sand and gravel mix will be their before I back fill minus all these fuuuuuking cantaloupe rocks.
Wait one for a pic.
That's residential for you. Lots of things done there that wouldn't fly in the commercial/industrial world.
Home was made in 1964 also. Hence per compressed tar paper sewer pipe which was probably how they rolled back then...
Maybe not your thing, If it were me, I'd sneak an RV clean out in a Christy box by the street while I had it opened up.
Excellent idea, Rum7. I like the way you think.
That old asphalt pipe is called Orangeburg and it was used from the 1860's until the 1970's. I had to replace mine years ago. Stuff has a propensity to collapse after time. Root intrusion as well.
Smoke break then 2 more feet and then done for the day.
Hard to tell from the pic,. is there (abandoned) black pipe on the right side of the trench? If so, it's been into 2x already? 2 abandoned pipes. 1 Black, 1 PVC?
Smoke break then 2 more feet and then done for the day.
Hard to tell from the pic,. is there (abandoned) black pipe on the right side of the trench? If so, it's been into 2x already? 2 abandoned pipes. 1 Black, 1 PVC?
About 90 mins ago before shower time. Flooded the trench . That fuuucking section of pipe I was thinking was low earlier today and starting into the bow. And that joint is flexing so I gotta fix that. That section had about a 1.5 to 2 inch bounce before it would bottom out and tapered out to less on each side till it had contact with ground and no bounce. Put a stick at its high point. And marked contact no bounce place with a rock Give me a Sure as frigging floated up about 2 inches for about 20 ft.
Started pushing down on sections on either side of it. Not floating and no bounce
For about 12ft from the house to about 3 ft before the side walk And about 7 ft from stop dig for today . No floating bounce
Hit it with the 6ft level while flooded all good bubble tilted to the house for the run. At least some basic ID of jakked up low spots. Related to the frigging sidewalk.
All the fuuuking boulders. All the fuuking pipe scraps No signs of sand of gravel to set the pipe for slope to drain
Total fuuuking goat fuuk half azzed job whoever did this schit before....
Dig another 15 ft tommorow Do checks again...
You can see where that joint shifted from the line. Dead under that side walk and in the bow area on either side...
The [bleep] probably didn't even [bleep] glue it when they put it in.....
Which is kinda why I need to dig another 15 ft tommorow to see if I have another fuuked joint and check with the level either side. The last 7 ft that had no float bounce where I stopped today might be misleading me off end of bow.
The scope dude said the bow started closer to the road too.
Gonna get my main water jet blasted out. Been Google fu,ing about that. Some cat does it for 79 bucks.
I could probably rent the pressure washer machine rig they do it with.
But I aint...
Pay some one to blast out that main.
Ran a 30 ft snake up . That loosened up some kharly schit from leaving the kitchen sink and tub running. Snake only has a little head on it maybe 3/4" wide. So all that did was some random streak cleaning.
Then ran a hose up running full blast. That knocked some more stuff.
The 360 degree water jet and fore and aft pressure washing thing is what needs to happen.
Just peeking into the main into the house from a angle from the clean out . Looked pretty sludged up...
Gawd knows if this 1964 main has ever been blasted the frigg out...
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
Terlets not flushing worth a fuuuk . Bowed sewer line water trap, collapsed side walk over the bowed area. Dumb fuuuks doing halfazzed schit long ago.
Me and 1st cousin clan did a remodel of granny’s bathroom several many yrs ago.Farm house bilt in the 50s as they could afford bathroom scotched on the side later.1/2 ass fugking done using that tar paper pipe schit which collapsed 50 yrs later a fugking disaster.
to do this stuff on a regular basis all the way from the inner structure of subdivisions before any houses are built . today actually done three utility hookups. three sewers at three electrical and three water.
2% slope is perfect 1% will work if thats all you can get .you been led the right road use clean gravel too bed it with. keep in mind 5/8 clean chips dumps of a truck 98% compaction just make sure you got enough room under the pipe or the gravel can flow under it makes it easy peasy.. go all the way around the pipe and get a couple inches on top you will be golden.
Bed entire pipe with crushed stone smaller than 1/2". No sand. No pea gravel.
Backfill completely with crushed stone under walk, drive or road. This stops damage to pipe from overhead load. No need for any sort of support like steel beams.
Cover 6" with crushed stone everywhere else. Regular backfill over stone. No rocks larger than 3". If it was mine, it would have no rocks and bigger than 1".
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
Terlets not flushing worth a fuuuk . Bowed sewer line water trap, collapsed side walk over the bowed area. Dumb fuuuks doing halfazzed schit long ago.
And I'm getting main house line blasted out also.
Slow flow and terlets not flushing worth a fugg could also be a clogged vent. Bird nest on top or in the pipe, or even a dead bird in the pipe. Lack of air behind the flush creates a vacuum, kinda like a gas can without a vent. Seems like you def had a sag in the line, which needed fixed, but it sure would suck to do all of this and not fix it...
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
Terlets not flushing worth a fuuuk . Bowed sewer line water trap, collapsed side walk over the bowed area. Dumb fuuuks doing halfazzed schit long ago.
And I'm getting main house line blasted out also.
Slow flow and terlets not flushing worth a fugg could also be a clogged vent. Bird nest on top or in the pipe, or even a dead bird in the pipe. Lack of air behind the flush creates a vacuum, kinda like a gas can without a vent. Seems like you def had a sag in the line, which needed fixed, but it sure would suck to do all of this and not fix it...
I was aware of the vents. But not thinking this. Thanks for a mental trigger.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Probably ought to get up on the roof . Bring the snake up and a flash light and just punch em to check also.
Bed entire pipe with crushed stone smaller than 1/2". No sand. No pea gravel.
Backfill completely with crushed stone under walk, drive or road. This stops damage to pipe from overhead load. No need for any sort of support like steel beams.
Cover 6" with crushed stone everywhere else. Regular backfill over stone. No rocks larger than 3". If it was mine, it would have no rocks and bigger than 1".
I'm sure you'll do fine. I wish I was anywhere near so I could do the heavy digging with a backhoe. I'm too far away for that, best I can do is help with correct information.
Have gotten alot of good advice on this thread. Hitting the sack. Got 15 more ft to dig tommorow and check the 2 vents for the toilets up on the roof...
Rain Friday. Get back at it saturday and hopefully have it back filled on sunday.
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
Terlets not flushing worth a fuuuk . Bowed sewer line water trap, collapsed side walk over the bowed area. Dumb fuuuks doing halfazzed schit long ago.
And I'm getting main house line blasted out also.
Slow flow and terlets not flushing worth a fugg could also be a clogged vent. Bird nest on top or in the pipe, or even a dead bird in the pipe. Lack of air behind the flush creates a vacuum, kinda like a gas can without a vent. Seems like you def had a sag in the line, which needed fixed, but it sure would suck to do all of this and not fix it...
I was aware of the vents. But not thinking this. Thanks for a mental trigger.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Probably ought to get up on the roof . Bring the snake up and a flash light and just punch em to check also.
Just stuff the garden hose down in there. If it goes down all is well.
If this is gonna drag out I'd be covering up that open trench out by the road with ply wood or sumtin before some smuck with a lawyer decides to fall into it.
Frost line map. I looked yours up by Clarksville, TN so if that's wrong, let me know please so I can do it correctly. Your frost line is 12". Use the extra dirt you'll have left over from the stone displacement to get a total of 12" of cover over the PVC.
Don't worry about the joint under the walk - it doesn't matter. You repair the line by cutting and rejoining anyway.
Also - remove the pipe from the trench once you have it exposed. I know it's a pain but it's the only way to properly bed it (bedding a pipe means getting the crushed stone the correct depth and compaction underneath and halfway up the sides to what's called the spring line of the pipe). You'll need to tamp or jump up and down on the stone once you have 4" of stone under the pipe to compact it. Then lay the pipe again and cover it with 6" of stone to keep the pipe from being displaced by cars, lawn mowers and walmart cart riders. Backfill with stone completely under walks, paving and drives.
The pipe you're repairing is called a sanitary sewer lateral. If you run into a bend that turns and goes down, that's called the turn down and that will be as far as you need to dig it up. Depending on where the sanitary sewer main is (most are in the center of the road but some are off to one side or the other), you may not find the turn down.
I'm in that 60-70 area - why it's so damn expensive and why I'd never dig it myself - 30+ feet, 5 to 6 feet deep. That's some Charles Bronson chit in the Great Escape.
Don't forget to put a plug in each end of the pipe that's left in the trench (at the house and at the road) to keep rocks and dirt out of it while you get the bedding in. I use a rubber expansion plug but you can use anything like a bunch of duct tape once you clean the outside of the pipe at both ends. It'll need to be clean to glue in the joins anyway so you'll have to clean the ends up twice - once before you bed and once after you relay the pipe.
I'm in that 60-70 area - why it's so damn expensive and why I'd never dig it myself - 30+ feet, 5 to 6 feet deep. That's some Charles Bronson chit in the Great Escape.
You ain't kidding, no way I could dig out that deep even when I was in good shape. That's rent a backhoe time. Here in FL, they just kick enough dirt over the pipe to keep lawnmower blades off it. We have a tonne of PVC pipe run up the outside of walls exposed to the elements. Freaked me right out when I came here. The good ones put a loop of hose pipe at the low end to give it some expansion room. Works like a charm.
I'm in that 60-70 area - why it's so damn expensive and why I'd never dig it myself - 30+ feet, 5 to 6 feet deep. That's some Charles Bronson chit in the Great Escape.
You ain't kidding, no way I could dig out that deep even when I was in good shape. That's rent a backhoe time. Here in FL, they just kick enough dirt over the pipe to keep lawnmower blades off it. We have a tonne of PVC pipe run up the outside of walls exposed to the elements. Freaked me right out when I came here. The good ones put a loop of hose pipe at the low end to give it some expansion room. Works like a charm.
For mine they punched a hole in my basement floor and then one out where my cast iron met the new city plastic. No trench. Somehow they break up the cast or leave - and simply slide new plastic in place - one giant piece at 30 feet (fed through basement window) and then connect and fill in the hole out by the sidewalk and my basement/cement. Done. They did my water line at the same time as it was original to the house in 74.
I'm in that 60-70 area - why it's so damn expensive and why I'd never dig it myself - 30+ feet, 5 to 6 feet deep. That's some Charles Bronson chit in the Great Escape.
You ain't kidding, no way I could dig out that deep even when I was in good shape. That's rent a backhoe time. Here in FL, they just kick enough dirt over the pipe to keep lawnmower blades off it. We have a tonne of PVC pipe run up the outside of walls exposed to the elements. Freaked me right out when I came here. The good ones put a loop of hose pipe at the low end to give it some expansion room. Works like a charm.
For mine they punched a hole in my basement floor and then one out where my cast iron met the new city plastic. No trench. Somehow they break up the cast or leave - and simply slide new plastic in place - one giant piece at 30 feet (fed through basement window) and then connect and fill in the hole out by the sidewalk and my basement/cement. Done. They did my water line at the same time as it was original to the house in 74.
That makes it easy.
Ren - you can use a string to cut pvc in hard to get to places - I put a couple of toggles made from a stout branch on each end like a garrote. Use some work gloves if you don't like the toggle idea. Cut the top half with skil saw and it makes getting the string going easier but it's not necessary, just easier.
I'm in that 60-70 area - why it's so damn expensive and why I'd never dig it myself - 30+ feet, 5 to 6 feet deep. That's some Charles Bronson chit in the Great Escape.
You ain't kidding, no way I could dig out that deep even when I was in good shape. That's rent a backhoe time. Here in FL, they just kick enough dirt over the pipe to keep lawnmower blades off it. We have a tonne of PVC pipe run up the outside of walls exposed to the elements. Freaked me right out when I came here. The good ones put a loop of hose pipe at the low end to give it some expansion room. Works like a charm.
For mine they punched a hole in my basement floor and then one out where my cast iron met the new city plastic. No trench. Somehow they break up the cast or leave - and simply slide new plastic in place - one giant piece at 30 feet (fed through basement window) and then connect and fill in the hole out by the sidewalk and my basement/cement. Done. They did my water line at the same time as it was original to the house in 74.
That makes it easy.
yeah and seemed to be SOP for everyone I called on it. Probably developed because of the depth and PITA to dig. I was also lucky - my line runs right past a GIANT maple in the front yard - so I was concerned about roots but that wasn't an issue. My problem was the cast iron simply rotted away for the bottom 1/2 of the pipe all the way out which caused problems for solids to keep moving to the city parts.
Frost line map. I looked yours up by Clarksville, TN so if that's wrong, let me know please so I can do it correctly. Your frost line is 12". Use the extra dirt you'll have left over from the stone displacement to get a total of 12" of cover over the PVC.
Don't worry about the joint under the walk - it doesn't matter. You repair the line by cutting and rejoining anyway.
Also - remove the pipe from the trench once you have it exposed. I know it's a pain but it's the only way to properly bed it (bedding a pipe means getting the crushed stone the correct depth and compaction underneath and halfway up the sides to what's called the spring line of the pipe). You'll need to tamp or jump up and down on the stone once you have 4" of stone under the pipe to compact it. Then lay the pipe again and cover it with 6" of stone to keep the pipe from being displaced by cars, lawn mowers and walmart cart riders. Backfill with stone completely under walks, paving and drives.
The pipe you're repairing is called a sanitary sewer lateral. If you run into a bend that turns and goes down, that's called the turn down and that will be as far as you need to dig it up. Depending on where the sanitary sewer main is (most are in the center of the road but some are off to one side or the other), you may not find the turn down.
sewer lines in that environment will not freeze. thank methane gas
Most of the lines I've seen dug up in our area were just flopped in the dirt like R-50's situation. Saw one cast iron that had a red brick covered with roofing felt every few feet.
Not to mention all the shoring/laying back required for an open trench that deep to meet the ridiculous osha regs.
You never know with trees - they're like people, some will be fine with a huge trench dug right through the roots, others will die when you drive a tracked loader over the dirt on the surface that squishes a few roots.
Frost line map. I looked yours up by Clarksville, TN so if that's wrong, let me know please so I can do it correctly. Your frost line is 12". Use the extra dirt you'll have left over from the stone displacement to get a total of 12" of cover over the PVC.
Don't worry about the joint under the walk - it doesn't matter. You repair the line by cutting and rejoining anyway.
Also - remove the pipe from the trench once you have it exposed. I know it's a pain but it's the only way to properly bed it (bedding a pipe means getting the crushed stone the correct depth and compaction underneath and halfway up the sides to what's called the spring line of the pipe). You'll need to tamp or jump up and down on the stone once you have 4" of stone under the pipe to compact it. Then lay the pipe again and cover it with 6" of stone to keep the pipe from being displaced by cars, lawn mowers and walmart cart riders. Backfill with stone completely under walks, paving and drives.
The pipe you're repairing is called a sanitary sewer lateral. If you run into a bend that turns and goes down, that's called the turn down and that will be as far as you need to dig it up. Depending on where the sanitary sewer main is (most are in the center of the road but some are off to one side or the other), you may not find the turn down.
sewer lines in that environment will not freeze. thank methane gas
A common misconception. They will and do freeze. The outflow from your dishwasher, shower, clothes washer and sink are 99.5% water. It won't burst the drain pipes but it will plug them up until it thaws.
Frost line map. I looked yours up by Clarksville, TN so if that's wrong, let me know please so I can do it correctly. Your frost line is 12". Use the extra dirt you'll have left over from the stone displacement to get a total of 12" of cover over the PVC.
Don't worry about the joint under the walk - it doesn't matter. You repair the line by cutting and rejoining anyway.
Also - remove the pipe from the trench once you have it exposed. I know it's a pain but it's the only way to properly bed it (bedding a pipe means getting the crushed stone the correct depth and compaction underneath and halfway up the sides to what's called the spring line of the pipe). You'll need to tamp or jump up and down on the stone once you have 4" of stone under the pipe to compact it. Then lay the pipe again and cover it with 6" of stone to keep the pipe from being displaced by cars, lawn mowers and walmart cart riders. Backfill with stone completely under walks, paving and drives.
The pipe you're repairing is called a sanitary sewer lateral. If you run into a bend that turns and goes down, that's called the turn down and that will be as far as you need to dig it up. Depending on where the sanitary sewer main is (most are in the center of the road but some are off to one side or the other), you may not find the turn down.
sewer lines in that environment will not freeze. thank methane gas
A common misconception. They will and do freeze. The outflow from your dishwasher, shower, clothes washer and sink are 99.5% water. It won't burst the drain pipes but it will plug them up until it thaws.
lmao .. I'm done new installation and repairs for well over 30 years. it seems like you are a reader and a maybe an instructor and Doolittle I've read the rest of your stuff and been nice but you're a dumbass. notice I said in that environment somewhere Way North parts of Alaska Canada may have an issue at a certain toll rates but that area will not I'm in the same area as far as frost line as that is..
Roof vents into Main line are good ran a 50 ft snake down em. Ran a hose down into them.water flowing thru clean out.
Done up top. Been snaking the schit outta the main line. Lots of black [bleep] coming when I run a hose up it. Can hit the end of the main line but can't make the turn into the 3 ft line running off the toilets. After I get this all done and back filled in. I'm gonna pull both toilets while the khan and mini khan are at work mon or Tues. Punch them lines , new wax rings and put toilets back in.
Priced schedule 40 4 inch 40 a pop for 10 ft. Need 4 maybe.
Start digging again once I snake and hose out the main as best I can.
Once the whole project is done. Pay the 80 bucks to get the Main from the clean out hydrogenated. Once mini khan leaves for work in about 2 hrs. Gonna dump some muratic acid down the toilets.
Spent 86 bucks 50 ft snake. My old one was toast and the flare end was small. 50 ft stiff hose to run up the main Little high pressure hose attachment. Bottle of acid.
175 total into it now. Probably gonna hit the 400 top limit if I gotta buy pipe....
something that can happen if your toilet is flushing poorly and the rest of your plumbing seems fine toilet can get limed up and not work correctly. but it would be really odd for more than one toilet to do it at the same time.
Rene, Make sure you are looking at sch 40 pvc,Not cell core. Here 4" is $5.00 +/ft. Cell core is $4.00+/ft Foam core with bend and bow,not supposed to use underground. I mentioned this in a previous post.
Frost line map. I looked yours up by Clarksville, TN so if that's wrong, let me know please so I can do it correctly. Your frost line is 12". Use the extra dirt you'll have left over from the stone displacement to get a total of 12" of cover over the PVC.
Don't worry about the joint under the walk - it doesn't matter. You repair the line by cutting and rejoining anyway.
Also - remove the pipe from the trench once you have it exposed. I know it's a pain but it's the only way to properly bed it (bedding a pipe means getting the crushed stone the correct depth and compaction underneath and halfway up the sides to what's called the spring line of the pipe). You'll need to tamp or jump up and down on the stone once you have 4" of stone under the pipe to compact it. Then lay the pipe again and cover it with 6" of stone to keep the pipe from being displaced by cars, lawn mowers and walmart cart riders. Backfill with stone completely under walks, paving and drives.
The pipe you're repairing is called a sanitary sewer lateral. If you run into a bend that turns and goes down, that's called the turn down and that will be as far as you need to dig it up. Depending on where the sanitary sewer main is (most are in the center of the road but some are off to one side or the other), you may not find the turn down.
How does a line freeze that has no water or minimal in it?
If it has proper grade no water is standing in it and even when running with water it will rarely be over an inch deep and flowing so no freeze.
I can go pop several manholes around town here in West Central MO that aren't waist deep and and the homes feeding those mains never have issues.
As far as a survey crew popping lids and measuring the depth of the bottom for a GIS mapping system they are standing up on top and not down in there. If they are down in there they better have a fan and hose feeding fresh air as well as attached to a winch and lifeline. Never seen a surveyor get down in one, at least not the crews around here.
The frost line map is bogus. Has my area at ten inches. Yet our frost line can be twenty four inches. Other than that, looks like Ren has it well in hand.
The frost line map is bogus. Has my area at ten inches. Yet our frost line can be twenty four inches. Other than that, looks like Ren has it well in hand.
Yeah, they missed the Modoc by about 24" too.
Most everything here with water in it is close to 3' deep.
Another fuuking Pepsi bottle😖😖🤦♂️😖😖 had to pry it out with the claw hammer . Right next to some rubber connector bullshit. Used it as a spacer to give the pipe some right flex I'm guessing wedged against that old pipe to the left. Some half azzed schit ad nauseum.....
JFC... Gonna clean the trench up like the rest of the pipe. Tap the fuuuk out for the day. Just getting aggravated now. And then you make mistakes. Don't wanna fuuk up the pipe before it gets all pulled out in one shot.. Start this digging again tommorow afternoon with a fresh mind and not all pissed off like I am right now.
I used to dig a pick up bed full of drywall out of porches like your’s.through a vent hole, Those used to be the trash tomb. Of course termites eat the living sheeeeeeeit out of the paper on drywall plus all of the scrap framing giblets tossed in.
Every jobsite is going to have that stuff.
We even dismantled a fire hydrant that we weren’t getting a predicted Pitot off of. Someone had shoved a mtn dew bottle in the main.
We had to reslug the whole line about 800ft witu HTH and issue a fresh Bac-T sheet on it. Construction people are dirty ass mfers. And those were prob the white guys
Another fuuking Pepsi bottle😖😖🤦♂️😖😖 had to pry it out with the claw hammer . Right next to some rubber connector bullshit. Used it as a spacer to give the pipe some right flex I'm guessing wedged against that old pipe to the left. Some half azzed schit ad nauseum.....
JFC... Gonna clean the trench up like the rest of the pipe. Tap the fuuuk out for the day. Just getting aggravated now. And then you make mistakes. Don't wanna fuuk up the pipe before it gets all pulled out in one shot.. Start this digging again tommorow afternoon with a fresh mind and not all pissed off like I am right now.
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that's a rubber fernco fitting. you are at or the area they had trouble with before. and if they did not but the pipes up as close as possible with inside that footing is a good place to catch paper and [bleep] and cause an issue
Fuuuking done for the day. Yanked out that left in pipe cause the fuukers were too lazy to take out of the trench after they cut that joint I'm geussing.. Cleaned up the bottom circumfrance of the schit I dug today. Hosed it down.
Dig more tommorow sometime. I'm gonna reach that fuuuking city line hook up....
And then do this fuuking schit as right as I can get it and not this half azzed bull schit I been dealing with...
One of the things I hated about working in the civilian world after I retired from the Army.
Half azzed fuuking schit work and acceptable to people in charge... Then fuuking guys that work good and get schit done right the 1st time get fuuking tasked all the time , while others getting the same pay get the fuuuk over constantly. I got fuuking tired of civilian employers taking advantage of my sense of responsibility and do schit right once and not do stoopid schit a second time unfuuuking schit...
Been filling up some old stump holes, shoveling off a pile of dirt left over from a driveway project a few years back. Its amazing how much dirt a rotting stump hole will eat over a year or so. 4 or 5 loads in the old Kawasaki Mule and I'm cooked. Damn a rotten spine.
Hope the rest of your job goes well without anymore hidden crappy work.
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
Terlets not flushing worth a fuuuk . Bowed sewer line water trap, collapsed side walk over the bowed area. Dumb fuuuks doing halfazzed schit long ago.
And I'm getting main house line blasted out also.
Slow flow and terlets not flushing worth a fugg could also be a clogged vent. Bird nest on top or in the pipe, or even a dead bird in the pipe. Lack of air behind the flush creates a vacuum, kinda like a gas can without a vent. Seems like you def had a sag in the line, which needed fixed, but it sure would suck to do all of this and not fix it...
I was aware of the vents. But not thinking this. Thanks for a mental trigger.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Probably ought to get up on the roof . Bring the snake up and a flash light and just punch em to check also.
You can get by with a flash light and a garden hose. Look down in them with a light, if you can't see any obstruction they are probably good to go. Flush them with a garden hose to make sure. If the water goes down, you're good.
Personally I'd add a sight "T" at each end of the line in the yard so you never have to do this exploratory work again... You be able to take the cap off and look down in there to see if it flows. One at the house end and one at the street end. Just my opinion...
Scored a solid 4' pc of 4" pvc, $20 ,that's a win for the day,lol Those fernco fittings are common for joining 2 bald ends of pipe or making a slip type connection. Check the 2 sides of it to see if the house side settled,if they didn't bed it properly it may have and could be the problem.
Block layers shove dozens of budweiser cans down in the blocks
Ya' don't say!
Had a drywall crew schit in my toilet flanges once,must of hovered over it,no paper,went back to work with azz butter going on. NOTHING surprises me on a job site.
OK, so I gotta ask and maybe I missed it somewhere, but what caused all of this??? Was it backed up? Flowing slow? What was the start of this monumental headache for you?
Terlets not flushing worth a fuuuk . Bowed sewer line water trap, collapsed side walk over the bowed area. Dumb fuuuks doing halfazzed schit long ago.
And I'm getting main house line blasted out also.
Slow flow and terlets not flushing worth a fugg could also be a clogged vent. Bird nest on top or in the pipe, or even a dead bird in the pipe. Lack of air behind the flush creates a vacuum, kinda like a gas can without a vent. Seems like you def had a sag in the line, which needed fixed, but it sure would suck to do all of this and not fix it...
I was aware of the vents. But not thinking this. Thanks for a mental trigger.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Probably ought to get up on the roof . Bring the snake up and a flash light and just punch em to check also.
You can get by with a flash light and a garden hose. Look down in them with a light, if you can't see any obstruction they are probably good to go. Flush them with a garden hose to make sure. If the water goes down, you're good.
Personally I'd add a sight "T" at each end of the line in the yard so you never have to do this exploratory work again... You be able to take the cap off and look down in there to see if it flows. One at the house end and one at the street end. Just my opinion...
Change up in plan. Yanking both toilets tommorow Replacing wax rings. And clean out the pipes from the toilets to the main. About 3.5 to 4 ft each length.
Go to hardware city see if they got a flex rod bore brush sort of thing I can shove down and scrub out those pipes to the main. I bet the women toliet has a buncha fuuuuked up schit in their pipes... Hair, ragtime schit, cotton balls, dental floss. 🤦♂️ Those 2 are infamous for that schit. Was even worse when the other 2 daughters were home.
Can't tell them fuuuking pinhead women schit. Fuuukers just gonna do it anyways.. 😡🥴😡
Change up in plan. Yanking both toilets tommorow Replacing wax rings. And clean out the pipes from the toilets to the main. About 3.5 to 4 ft each length.
Go to hardware city see if they got a flex rod bore brush sort of thing I can shove down and scrub out those pipes to the main. I bet the women toliet has a buncha fuuuuked up schit in their pipes... Hair, ragtime schit, cotton balls, dental floss. 🤦♂️ Those 2 are infamous for that schit. Was even worse when the other 2 daughters were home.
Can't tell them fuuuking pinhead women schit. Fuuukers just gonna do it anyways.. 😡🥴😡
I’m constantly zipping sinks and bathtub drains🤬.Last week pulled out a fetus sized bunch of rubber mini hair bows and fugking hair like a fugking bear had shed never ceases to amaze me the schit you’ll find.
Another fuuking Pepsi bottle😖😖🤦♂️😖😖 had to pry it out with the claw hammer . Right next to some rubber connector bullshit. Used it as a spacer to give the pipe some right flex I'm guessing wedged against that old pipe to the left. Some half azzed schit ad nauseum.....
JFC... Gonna clean the trench up like the rest of the pipe. Tap the fuuuk out for the day. Just getting aggravated now. And then you make mistakes. Don't wanna fuuk up the pipe before it gets all pulled out in one shot.. Start this digging again tommorow afternoon with a fresh mind and not all pissed off like I am right now.
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Rubber is a Fernco, nothing wrong with them.
Same style as a lot of the newer type install kits if one is tapping a sewer service into an existing main. Used a bunch of them when replacing sections of old clay pipe and joining pvc in or when adding a backflow preventer.
Fuuuking done for the day. Yanked out that left in pipe cause the fuukers were too lazy to take out of the trench after they cut that joint I'm geussing.. Cleaned up the bottom circumfrance of the schit I dug today. Hosed it down.
Dig more tommorow sometime. I'm gonna reach that fuuuking city line hook up....
And then do this fuuking schit as right as I can get it and not this half azzed bull schit I been dealing with...
One of the things I hated about working in the civilian world after I retired from the Army.
Half azzed fuuking schit work and acceptable to people in charge... Then fuuking guys that work good and get schit done right the 1st time get fuuking tasked all the time , while others getting the same pay get the fuuuk over constantly. I got fuuking tired of civilian employers taking advantage of my sense of responsibility and do schit right once and not do stoopid schit a second time unfuuuking schit...
Fuuuking done for the day. Yanked out that left in pipe cause the fuukers were too lazy to take out of the trench after they cut that joint I'm geussing.. Cleaned up the bottom circumfrance of the schit I dug today. Hosed it down.
Dig more tommorow sometime. I'm gonna reach that fuuuking city line hook up....
And then do this fuuking schit as right as I can get it and not this half azzed bull schit I been dealing with...
One of the things I hated about working in the civilian world after I retired from the Army.
Half azzed fuuking schit work and acceptable to people in charge... Then fuuking guys that work good and get schit done right the 1st time get fuuking tasked all the time , while others getting the same pay get the fuuuk over constantly. I got fuuking tired of civilian employers taking advantage of my sense of responsibility and do schit right once and not do stoopid schit a second time unfuuuking schit...
JFC.....
That Fernco is a weak link.
Maybe if they're not installed properly.
No other way to join clay to pvc, clay to iron, iron to pvc and these are very handy with no issues.
A lot of sewer tap saddles out there using this method with no problems.
Fuuuking done for the day. Yanked out that left in pipe cause the fuukers were too lazy to take out of the trench after they cut that joint I'm geussing.. Cleaned up the bottom circumfrance of the schit I dug today. Hosed it down.
Dig more tommorow sometime. I'm gonna reach that fuuuking city line hook up....
And then do this fuuking schit as right as I can get it and not this half azzed bull schit I been dealing with...
One of the things I hated about working in the civilian world after I retired from the Army.
Half azzed fuuking schit work and acceptable to people in charge... Then fuuking guys that work good and get schit done right the 1st time get fuuking tasked all the time , while others getting the same pay get the fuuuk over constantly. I got fuuking tired of civilian employers taking advantage of my sense of responsibility and do schit right once and not do stoopid schit a second time unfuuuking schit...
JFC.....
That Fernco is a weak link.
Maybe if they're not installed properly.
No other way to join clay to pvc, clay to iron, iron to pvc and these are very handy with no issues.
A lot of sewer tap saddles out there using this method with no problems.
Sure and add Orangeburg to the mix, but that's Sch40 to Sch40, no?
Block layers shove dozens of budweiser cans down in the blocks
Ya' don't say!
Contractor buddy of mine remodeled a Hometown Buffet some years back. Said one wall bay was full to the top of budweizer cans. Original construction boys were having fun. Lol
Fuuuking done for the day. Yanked out that left in pipe cause the fuukers were too lazy to take out of the trench after they cut that joint I'm geussing.. Cleaned up the bottom circumfrance of the schit I dug today. Hosed it down.
Dig more tommorow sometime. I'm gonna reach that fuuuking city line hook up....
And then do this fuuking schit as right as I can get it and not this half azzed bull schit I been dealing with...
One of the things I hated about working in the civilian world after I retired from the Army.
Half azzed fuuking schit work and acceptable to people in charge... Then fuuking guys that work good and get schit done right the 1st time get fuuking tasked all the time , while others getting the same pay get the fuuuk over constantly. I got fuuking tired of civilian employers taking advantage of my sense of responsibility and do schit right once and not do stoopid schit a second time unfuuuking schit...
JFC.....
That Fernco is a weak link.
Maybe if they're not installed properly.
No other way to join clay to pvc, clay to iron, iron to pvc and these are very handy with no issues.
A lot of sewer tap saddles out there using this method with no problems.
Sure and add Orangeburg to the mix, but that's Sch40 to Sch40, no?
Could be but if no room for a glue joint or no bell on one end of either pipe then a snug cut piece of pipe with a fernco is all good. We used the snot out of em.
Fuuuking done for the day. Yanked out that left in pipe cause the fuukers were too lazy to take out of the trench after they cut that joint I'm geussing.. Cleaned up the bottom circumfrance of the schit I dug today. Hosed it down.
Dig more tommorow sometime. I'm gonna reach that fuuuking city line hook up....
And then do this fuuking schit as right as I can get it and not this half azzed bull schit I been dealing with...
One of the things I hated about working in the civilian world after I retired from the Army.
Half azzed fuuking schit work and acceptable to people in charge... Then fuuking guys that work good and get schit done right the 1st time get fuuking tasked all the time , while others getting the same pay get the fuuuk over constantly. I got fuuking tired of civilian employers taking advantage of my sense of responsibility and do schit right once and not do stoopid schit a second time unfuuuking schit...
JFC.....
That Fernco is a weak link.
Maybe if they're not installed properly.
No other way to join clay to pvc, clay to iron, iron to pvc and these are very handy with no issues.
A lot of sewer tap saddles out there using this method with no problems.
Sure and add Orangeburg to the mix, but that's Sch40 to Sch40, no?
A fernco can be a life saver and it has its place, but that ain’t one of them imo.
Nothing wrong with a Fernco... Should be shielded but that shallow probably won't be a problem. If a repair was made in the middle of the line at some point in time almost have to have a Fernco on at least one end of the repair. When used properly, never a problem.
I’m new subdivisions when we install the wet utilities (sewer,storm,water) after it’s done we have to send a camera down the sewer and storm so the inspector can verify all is good.
We had a project where the whole crew was on the chit list and ready to get canned….. (sewer is usually first and deepest, followed by storm, and water above) when the camera got to a street intersection in the storm line you could see the bottom half of an 8” water line cutting across the top of the storm line lmao 🤣
There was a grade discrepancy between the storm and water and instead of fixing it, the crew just dug right through the top 1/3 of the 24” rcp storm line. Expensive fix….. underground guys are azzholes lol…. Anybody that gets to cover up their work and doesn’t have to look at it should be in question 🙋♂️
I’m new subdivisions when we install the wet utilities (sewer,storm,water) after it’s done we have to send a camera down the sewer and storm so the inspector can verify all is good.
We had a project where the whole crew was on the chit list and ready to get canned….. (sewer is usually first and deepest, followed by storm, and water above) when the camera got to a street intersection in the storm line you could see the bottom half of an 8” water line cutting across the top of the storm line lmao 🤣
There was a grade discrepancy between the storm and water and instead of fixing it, the crew just dug right through the top 1/3 of the 24” rcp storm line. Expensive fix….. underground guys are azzholes lol…. Anybody that gets to cover up their work and doesn’t have to look at it should be in question 🙋♂️
I have seen more than 1 instance where new gas mains were bored in and ended up right in the middle of a sewer main.
Rain flooded the trench. Used that opportunity to weigh down sections of the pipe and mark off the slope from house to last dig spot with sticks stuck in side of trench on top of pipe. Water in the trench as level don't lie. Got about a 2.5 to 3 inch drop/ slope in the pipe from house to end of dig. Good ref points when I gravel the bottom.
Bought 2 wax ring kits. Big sponge.
Got home and said fuuuk it.. I ain't doing schit today. Rest up. Rough being my own boss.🤣 Dig tommorow.
Do wax rings and punch/ clean the toilet main line L sections Monday or tuesday.. 190 bucks into this now.
Homie got good weather to tie this up the next 5 days to wensday. Dig tommorow maybe Sunday if I have too.
Maybe Sunday afternoon or monday morning put a big Ole tarp in the bed of the pick up and go find some suitable creek gravel. ( for free) Go buy some new couplers and glue.
Homie ain't got a schedule or anyone riding his azz to hurry up or overwork himself.
You all have fun and get your Tee hee,s and ha ha,s in on homey.🤪🤪🥴🤪🤪🤪
This is the new more serious 24hr where we try to not start inane threads.(mocking Wabitard)
Or start a thread and bury a life sized effigie of sockpuppets on top of the hard pack dirt under a bed of gravel.
^^^^^^ And post pics on here about it because some thought this guy was actually a real person.... Hook, line, and sinker gut hooked ....🤣🤣🤣
Some should be thankful on here I'm all azz,s,elbows, and balks deep "busy" with this bullschit and not fuuuking with em. .
Pard. We are rooting for you up here in Alaska Pard!
Pard.. This pard appreciates the pards thoughts.
And this pard is gonna work at his pace and ability.
And the pard has appreciated all the many pards advice on this thread.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 And is gonna incorporate them into what the pard is gonna get done. In the pards way and time👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Pard ain't a mid 30 to early 40 type no more. Let alone a indestructible 20 to early 30 something anymore Pard turns 60 in June. Pard likes to take his time Pard likes smoke breaks. Pard like pics or it never happened posting breaks. Pard knows when he has muscle cramps from digging and then waking up in the middle of night that pard needs a good day off to recoup.
Pard should’ve sprung the cash for a full-size shovel not the midget model he’s using. Well almost dinner time them roughnecks will be hungry I better get to making sandwiches! Pard out!
Lol!!! Pards Shovel works fine in the ditch. Right size for job. Don't need a long handle pile of dirt shovel to throw dirt.
Pards short d handle GTG. Gives him torque in tight spots
Able to shave the sides down deep Able to chunk out hole sliding and shaving on top of pipe about 6to 8 inches high and 8 to 10 inches deep and wide . Like a cave . Then come in from top and 3 side chunk it out.
He’s got cigarette butts ankle deep around that milk bucket 😎. Recently put a small septic system down at the shop took about a week as the boys told me they would dig dig it by hand and they did, sandy ground or I’d have rented a digger saved about $400 ish not having the hydraulic help. Ran about $1500 doing it ourselves counting tank pipe rock and all the small stuff oh and one broken shovel handle. Didn’t take any pics but it still happened 😄
Fuuuk me running.... 18 inches into digging and encounter this half azzed schit... About 2 ft beyond the end where I Yanked out that other pipe section left in the ditch. How fuuuking lazy can people be.....
I'm just a little azzed up right now.... after breaking up that fuuked up joint... Fuuking thing was taking up room in the trench and dead on the pipe with pressure from hell on it. Trying to maintain a good 2 inches on either side of the pipe Break up more or see if it will pry out as I dig more.
Between the section of 4ft pipe by this fuuuked up rubber joint the other day. Smashing up the bullschit joint I did today . And the water I just put in the trench which ain't lying about slope to the city line. Done digging for today. 😖😖😖😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😖😖😖😖 Start again tommorow......🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️😖😖🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Plumber and construction Pards... I'm sure these pics tell a story of fuuked up fuuuking schit work.....
That fuuking bend and down and up slope where all this bullschit pipe I hauled out the other day and schit I just broke up today, by that fuuked up joint.. Broke a glass Pepsi bottle in this area today also, in addition to the 2 plastic ones in this area the other day.
All fuuuked up by the buried section of pipe from the other day I Yanked out. The fuuked up schit I broke up today with big pressure on it. And that fuuuked up rubber joint dead in the middle of the low spot.
I’d cut the joint and redo with pvc joints and a 4-6 ft pvc section since you’ve dug it up
Gonna do a 180 with entire length of pipe. See how it looks. Make decisions...
Wanna get a 1 peice run from house under side walk. Then see what length remains to cut that bend after side walk and room in ditch side to side. Joint in what needed with pvc joints.
Only fuuuking rubber thing is gonna be that connector off the house main to the clean out. I might be able to incorporate that bend into the clean out. Already missing a inch in drop from the house line , the rubber connect and the clean out drop front the get.
That was my 1st day of digging discovery...
Who ever did this before did it 100% halfazzed from the start.....
I’d cut the joint and redo with pvc joints and a 4-6 ft pvc section since you’ve dug it up
Gonna do a 180 with entire length of pipe. See how it looks. Make decisions...
Wanna get a 1 peice run from house under side walk. Then see what length remains to cut that bend after side walk and room in ditch side to side. Joint in what needed with pvc joints.
Only fuuuking rubber thing is gonna be that connector off the house main to the clean out. I might be able to incorporate that bend into the clean out. Already missing a inch in drop from the house line , the rubber connect and the clean out drop front the get.
That was my 1st day of digging discovery...
Who ever did this before did it 100% halfazzed from the start.....
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Nothing at all wrong with a Fernco if installed properly and minimal gap between the 2 pieces being joined. They use em on 10" mains all of the time on sewer point repairs when joining clay to modern PVC. Same principal on placing a new sewer tap on an existing sewer main.
Also, how far from foundation to city main? If near 100' I would stick another clean out in near the curb/road. Make sure the clean outs can be used both ways. A guy can get a snake to go backwards in a 1 way cleanout but can be a bitsch if water is standing up in your clean out stack.
If you have somebody coming out to jet your service it might be a good idea to have him jet to city main and if he has a push camera have him look at the tap where your service joins the main. If roots have penetrated there it might be a good idea to have the tap repaired as well. City may be up to assist with that.
A rental company close to you may have a push camera as well.
55 ft and right around 2.5 over the length. Not including the 1 to 1.5 robbed off the house main from the rubber joint and clean out hack job the momo did.
So I got slope now after tweaking a few spots to see schit before I did a tench flood
Need to dig about 6 or 7ft more to check rest of the pipe running to city hook up.
Going out to look for a cut off wheel for my corded drill to get that fuuked up pipe left in the trench out of their as much as possible.
I’d cut the joint and redo with pvc joints and a 4-6 ft pvc section since you’ve dug it up
Gonna do a 180 with entire length of pipe. See how it looks. Make decisions...
Wanna get a 1 peice run from house under side walk. Then see what length remains to cut that bend after side walk and room in ditch side to side. Joint in what needed with pvc joints.
Only fuuuking rubber thing is gonna be that connector off the house main to the clean out. I might be able to incorporate that bend into the clean out. Already missing a inch in drop from the house line , the rubber connect and the clean out drop front the get.
That was my 1st day of digging discovery...
Who ever did this before did it 100% halfazzed from the start.....
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Nothing at all wrong with a Fernco if installed properly and minimal gap between the 2 pieces being joined. They use em on 10" mains all of the time on sewer point repairs when joining clay to modern PVC. Same principal on placing a new sewer tap on an existing sewer main.
Also, how far from foundation to city main? If near 100' I would stick another clean out in near the curb/road. Make sure the clean outs can be used both ways. A guy can get a snake to go backwards in a 1 way cleanout but can be a bitsch if water is standing up in your clean out stack.
If you have somebody coming out to jet your service it might be a good idea to have him jet to city main and if he has a push camera have him look at the tap where your service joins the main. If roots have penetrated there it might be a good idea to have the tap repaired as well. City may be up to assist with that.
A rental company close to you may have a push camera as well.
63 or 64 ft IIRC. I'm at 55 56 right now. Already was scoped almost 4 weeks ago by the city. No issues with city side. Just the fuuked up bow and huge water trap on my side. Watched dude do it all and his screen.
Gonna roll with pvc joints 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Just gotta see what needs to be done once done digging. Get pipe out and figure out stuff per test lay before doing stuff.
Hydraulics are your friend and you would have had fun digging it too (and pulling out the concrete and backfilling it all in one day) 😎 Mrs. Ren could have drove it around too.
Not a whole lot of pitch for a 55'+ run,if I understand correctly
It will be up to 3.5 to 4 inch drop once I unfuuk thst 1 to 1.5 inches I was robbed of coming out of the house main from the start by Moron Inc who did this abortion before.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ From what I have read 1/2 to 3/4" over 10ft is good. Enough to push turds but not excessive drop / water speed to blow by turds. 🥴🤪🤪🥴 Some real techy stuff I read about proper water pressure / flow to keep a turd moving in a sewer line. Google fu is a wonderous thing..🥴🥴🥴🤪🥴🥴😖
This right now is in original fuuked up trench depth with 0 proper fill under the pipe and me sticking rock under pipe in places in the bow length , then flooding with water as level in relation to pipe height and circumfrance to see my drop I need.
Since you are stubbed-out of the manhole, go raise the lid and see if it’s brick.
You are on the hill crown so that will be a dead end manhole and ai bet is only 4-5 ft deep
Either way, brick or concrete cone, you might can get the city to recore the wall lower and get some more fall out of the deal.
At a minimum they can come out and check the invert elev and shoot the grade for you
You should have min .03% fall to the manhole
ALSO, the city was doing a system-wide retrofit and installing an additional cleanout at the homeowner/city interface. You should let them know so they can do that end for you and also get some help on that of you have a slope issue.
If your going with 4" over 55' you may as well get ready for more issues.
It is not that right now. Nor is it gonna be that. It is in the fuuuked up trench . 0 slope fill in it. The stuff will be addressed trust me.
As it was not done by morons r us who did this fuuuked up schit.
I don't know how to explain what I have done or am going to do anymore in depth.
Some Pards are killing the pard at times on this thread. And the Pard greatly appreciates all the various Pards advice thru out this thread. And I know this thread has alot of interest to pards who do stuff like this for a living. The pard appreciates pards inputs much more than what the pards think the pard does👍🏻👍🏻
Please be patient with the pard one and all other pards.
The pard will do a good job.... Pard don't like to do things twice. Pard has half a brain😁😁😁 Please don't make the Pard think he is being checked fired by Pards he appreciates advice from.
Cause we all know how the pard can go off the deep end at times... 😁😁😁
Well you can skip any advice or comments from frozen tundra Ted or Craps in a Bucket Scott F
But you need to follow up on that second cleanout at the property line
Eventually the city will get around to you and if you have not intalled one, Backhoe Joe will be tearing up jack out there and disturb your well bedded gravel pipe placement one day. And when they leave and shît aint flowing right cause they torqued it, they will just shrugg it off and say “oh that prob is on your side of the line”
Since you are stubbed-out of the manhole, go raise the lid and see if it’s brick.
You are on the hill crown so that will be a dead end manhole and ai bet is only 4-5 ft deep
Either way, brick or concrete cone, you might can get the city to recore the wall lower and get some more fall out of the deal.
At a minimum they can come out and check the invert elev and shoot the grade for you
You should have min .03% fall to the manhole
ALSO, the city was doing a system-wide retrofit and installing an additional cleanout at the homeowner/city interface. You should let them know so they can do that end for you and also get some help on that of you have a slope issue.
High spot on street is 75 yds west Not a dead end manholes and sewer lines run the streets east slope and makes the right down slope to other street about 250 yds away then drain into the main line down by creek to super dome. Then other sewer line and manhole runs are configured in opposite L shape in neighborhood. Hawked that info with they resleeved the lines yrs ago. You know me, I wanna know schit and how things are and how they do schit. People love talking about stuff and they like answering questions that are good ones. They ain't doing that retrofit anymore per clean out on their side. Asked about that. Only thing the dude said was home owners are recommended to put a back flow preventer in and it was not needed up on the ridge like this but down the ridge people have been advised too on the east west street bottom. Thank God for gravity....
My man hole is About 8 ft deep Concrete walled. Everything checked out per the scope cat. City scope cat told me how to do the job on the down low and explained how the city line is and how to hook up to it. A 6 to 4 rubber and shielded above IIRC. You know me,,, I was hawking him and Watching it all, picking his brain. Psst . Think back to your 1st couple of post when you was picking on the homie with alla the "city stuff" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤪🤦♂️🤦♂️
Not a whole lot of pitch for a 55'+ run,if I understand correctly
1/4" per ft, needs 13-14" of fall. Too much and water will run too fast and won't carry the solids.
Exactly,,even at 1/8 /ft he should have 1-1/4" /10'
When I said "If I understand correctly" I meant his math. Seems shallow.
It is shallow as fuuuk . Espically coming out of the house. And then momo robbing me of 1 to 1.5 inch drop from the main from the house by the rubber connector and clean out being set low like that.
Shush... Mr I live out in the county guy and can get away with schitt... 🥴🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🥴
Done for the day. Need to address the clean out valve . Replace that and have the fuuuking cap thing above ground Loosing a inch right off the back from the house from whoever Did the craptastic joint job on that. Pipe looks good to me so far Got about 25 ft more to that circle in the pic to the city pipe you can the low spot in the lawn where the pipe has settled. Cause sir dick of head whoever didn't do it right before... 😡😡😡 Probably get the concrete saw in the morning Get the walkway cut on the pour joints. Get those sections moved. Dig out that section then to the city line. Get a level on the pipe see where I gotta bring it up to fix the bow and get slope to city line from the house line
Fuuking cantaloupe size rocks all in the back fill all over the pipe from zippy the pinhead who did it before.
JFC......
Cleanout pic... This abortion right here at the cleanout sits 1 to 1.5 inches below the lowest level of the house main. Already robbing me of slope.
It will be fixed and covered 3 to 4vft of either of line with 4 to 6 inches of dirt sloped out into the yard.
And that is a issue . Low water flush toilets. 😡😡😡
I’ve got a commercial building up here with an incredibly long gradual waste grade. With remodeling for new tenants those dam low flush toilets are all that can be had. Try to get your family to start the sink running the moment they step in to use the toilet,leave it run, by the time they flush the skids are wet. Makes all the difference in the world.
Just the 2 turns from the toilets. Main is fully visible thru garage to foundation. When I pull the toilets and replace the wax rings. Gonna hit those both with my 50 ft snake out the the exit side of the house. Then run a house inside the house and flush out. Then put wax rings and toilets back in.
Is that a Ferco at PVC cleanout to whatever is under house?
Big Ole rubber 4 to 6 thing. You can see how the bottom of the clean out is sitting below the bottom level of the main. It wasn't set right or settled from not being bedded under it right and on that 1st run of pipe going to the unfuuuking glued connector under the side walk I discovered later Which was at the house end of the bowed long pipe That 1st section of pipe was basicallydead level coming out of the house going into the bowed section starting under the side walk going to that rubber sleeve area where I had my "pleasant" discoveries today
That robbing point area at the house main was the 1st obvious fuuked up thing I encountered...
And that is a issue . Low water flush toilets. 😡😡😡
I’ve got a commercial building up here with an incredibly long gradual waste grade. With remodeling for new tenants those dam low flush toilets are all that can be had. Try to get your family to start the sink running the moment they step in to use the toilet,leave it run, by the time they flush the skids are wet. Makes all the difference in the world.
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Pffft
Sounds like a great idea that us men would be disciplined about
Is that a Ferco at PVC cleanout to whatever is under house?
Big Ole rubber 4 to 6 thing. You can see how the bottom of the clean out is sitting below the bottom level of the main. It wasn't set right or settled from not being bedded under it right and on that 1st run of pipe going to the unfuuuking glued connector under the side walk I discovered later Which was at the house end of the bowed long pipe That 1st section of pipe was basicallydead level coming out of the house going into the bowed section starting under the side walk going to that rubber sleeve area where I had my "pleasant" discoveries today
That robbing point area at the house main was the 1st obvious fuuked up thing I encountered...
Is that a Ferco at PVC cleanout to whatever is under house?
Big Ole rubber 4 to 6 thing. You can see how the bottom of the clean out is sitting below the bottom level of the main. It wasn't set right or settled from not being bedded under it right and on that 1st run of pipe going to the unfuuuking glued connector under the side walk I discovered later Which was at the house end of the bowed long pipe That 1st section of pipe was basicallydead level coming out of the house going into the bowed section starting under the side walk going to that rubber sleeve area where I had my "pleasant" discoveries today
That robbing point area at the house main was the 1st obvious fuuked up thing I encountered...
The soup side goes out the perforated pipe or chamber domes
Unless just an old gravity set up. Still a lot of old tanks here that don't even have an aerator.
Not so sure our new set up won't be 3 chambers with a pump on a timer or float to pump water up hill into field then gravity back into 3rd chamber. No liquid stays in pressure line.
Shallow system that uses vegetation and evaporation to keep from saturating the ground touch.
Wow! There’s a lot of science in disposing of a turd. Mine just goes out into a concrete box buried in the yard.
And then into something else after the concrete box.
I assumed the liquids drained out through the full lines, but the solids stayed in the box until dissolved. Is that incorrect?
You are spot on. Gravity field or low pressure?
Gravity I reckon. As I remember, 330’ perforated fill line. No aerator. Wife’s brother had a backhoe. He and I put it in when I built the house 20 years ago. The county inspector would occasionally show up to wow us with his knowledge. Raised a family here, and it flushes today just like the first time. No maintenance required thus far. Hope I didn’t just jinx myself.
Wow! There’s a lot of science in disposing of a turd. Mine just goes out into a concrete box buried in the yard.
And then into something else after the concrete box.
I assumed the liquids drained out through the full lines, but the solids stayed in the box until dissolved. Is that incorrect?
You are spot on. Gravity field or low pressure?
Gravity I reckon. As I remember, 330’ perforated fill line. No aerator. Wife’s brother had a backhoe. He and I put it in when I built the house 20 years ago. The county inspector would occasionally show up to wow us with his knowledge. Raised a family here, and it flushes today just like the first time. No maintenance required thus far. Hope I didn’t just jinx myself.
Wow! There’s a lot of science in disposing of a turd. Mine just goes out into a concrete box buried in the yard.
And then into something else after the concrete box.
I assumed the liquids drained out through the full lines, but the solids stayed in the box until dissolved. Is that incorrect?
You are spot on. Gravity field or low pressure?
Gravity I reckon. As I remember, 330’ perforated fill line. No aerator. Wife’s brother had a backhoe. He and I put it in when I built the house 20 years ago. The county inspector would occasionally show up to wow us with his knowledge. Raised a family here, and it flushes today just like the first time. No maintenance required thus far. Hope I didn’t just jinx myself.
2 other fire members are due some major sewer or septic work.
You all are putting the bad juju on yourselves now.
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Got lucky last spring went to add a sewer drop for an RV on the main house system and found a partial crushed pipe leading into the septic tank fixed that bad piece and relplaced baffles after the pump out and addition of RV drop. Dodged a bullet there. Crap flows downhill until it doesn’t. Rented the mini excavator for that one worth every penny even when I had to add hydraulic fluid because it had a leaking (loose fitting) hose. They gave a break on the price for that one…
Hell it could have been potatoes the way we operate around here. I can send you a sample to taste and confirm.
Somebody has a hard time understanding if you have to handwash a greasy skillet, pan, dish that you need to use hot water, not cold tap water. Then once done, flush with hot soapy water.
Wife draining the grease after she browns burger, into the sink, eh?
Never drain that schidtt in the sink.
Or if you do follow up with hot water and dish soap. Prefer to drain it into a bigger bowl then I to the trash or a can once cool.
Some of the reasons I prefer to cook myself.
I always find an empty soup can or something to drain that into. Took me a awhile to convince the wife that, that is not good so now she just leaves it in the pan with the ground beef.
Hell it could have been potatoes the way we operate around here. I can send you a sample to taste and confirm.
Somebody has a hard time understanding if you have to handwash a greasy skillet, pan, dish that you need to use hot water, not cold tap water. Then once done, flush with hot soapy water.
For every 20 foot section of pipe I would want 5 inches of pitch, 1/4 inch per foot, So for that 20 feet of pipe, the upstream side would be above the water, (not touching the bottom of the pipe) And the end of the lower 20 foot would be completely underwater, (top of pipe submerged)
Your trench is not deep enough, that is why it is backing up on you.
Not trying to rain on your parade, just trying to help accomplish the mission.
Make sure to throw a rubber dick in the trench before you back fill.
Lol!!!
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Tell me that wouldn't have made your day while doing all that digging. Really, how much better would it have been than finding all that garbage and rubble.
What your saying Kenneth is the city needs to come in and lower their hole and entire sewer line east and west of my home for 75 yds whether you realize it or not. And that ain't gonna happen.
Think about that in relation to my house main exit per pictures. And the 1/4 " drop you say I need per foot.... Which is excessive and impossible per the house main, geography of the ground, and depth of the city sewer line.
Everything I have read says 1/4 to 1/2 inch drop per 10 ft with the 1/2 " being the better slope. You are the only one that has said 1/4 inch per foot on this thread. That's 2.5 inches for a 10 ft pipe and 13.75 " for a 55 ft run.
No info I have read state 1/ 4 inch drop per foot. 1/4 to 1/2" per 10 ft is mentioned all over sites I have researched...
The whole city line would have to be reset at least 15 to 18inches inches deeper to accommodate my main location and height and my main coming out of the house is not going to change. And even if I had my foundation reworked to make my main lower in the ground, then that would translate into the city being even lower to make this 1/4" drop per foot you say I need....🤦♂️ And the sewage would be flowing like a set of rapids.
I think you might be misled by what you have read or have been told honestly. Or are thinking northern cold weather depths or slopes. I dunno..
My line was bowed and had a water trap in it like I have stated and shown in numerous post and pics. That was the problem. Not filled under the pipe properly. Back fill not done properly. Side walk poured too soon over ground not tamped or allowed to settle properly in the trench. I think I have shown this all in pics and layed it all out in depth.
All because of half azzed work by others. And I don't do half azzed stuff.
I will have at 3 to 4 inch drop over 55' which translates into nice 1/2" drop every 10 ft. Water in the trench shows me high and low levels in the trench I need to address in relation to desired trench and pipe slope. That's it. Water as a level don't lie. Look at previous pics of trench flooded as dig was progressing That tells what Needs to be addressed as the digging progress,s. Beginning of trench needs 1.5 inches built up to fix the fuucked up clean out done by some dbag. Other spots in trench need shave dug and filled once this pipe is pulled out. It really ain't that hard to see all of this per pics I have posted and what I have posted.
I hope you ain't thinking I'm leaving the trench like it is now. All halfazzed and schit. Because that is what I get from your post also. 🤔🤦♂️🤔
Bare minimum slope on sanitary is 1% - ideal is 2%. I've seen it specked at 0.5% only one time and that was in the flattest place I've ever worked (City of Huntsville, Alabama - Facebook Data Center).
1% is 1/8" per foot or 0.55 feet (6-5/8") over a 55' run.
What your saying Kenneth is the city needs to come in and lower their hole and entire sewer line east and west of my home for 75 yds whether you realize it or not. And that ain't gonna happen.
Think about that in relation to my house main exit per pictures. And the 1/4 " drop you say I need per foot.... Which is excessive and impossible per the house main, geography of the ground, and depth of the city sewer line.
Everything I have read says 1/4 to 1/2 inch drop per 10 ft with the 1/2 " being the better slope. You are the only one that has said 1/4 inch per foot on this thread. That's 2.5 inches for a 10 ft pipe and 13.75 " for a 55 ft run.
No info I have read state 1/ 4 inch drop per foot. 1/4 to 1/2" per 10 ft is mentioned all over sites I have researched...
The whole city line would have to be reset at least 15 to 18inches inches deeper to accommodate my main location and height and my main coming out of the house is not going to change. And even if I had my foundation reworked to make my main lower in the ground, then that would translate into the city being even lower to make this 1/4" drop per foot you say I need....🤦♂️ And the sewage would be flowing like a set of rapids.
I think you might be misled by what you have read or have been told honestly. Or are thinking northern cold weather depths or slopes. I dunno..
My line was bowed and had a water trap in it like I have stated and shown in numerous post and pics. That was the problem. Not filled under the pipe properly. Back fill not done properly. Side walk poured too soon over ground not tamped or allowed to settle properly in the trench. I think I have shown this all in pics and layed it all out in depth.
All because of half azzed work by others. And I don't do half azzed stuff.
I will have at 3 to 4 inch drop over 55' which translates into nice 1/2" drop every 10 ft. Water in the trench shows me high and low levels in the trench I need to address in relation to desired trench and pipe slope. That's it. Water as a level don't lie. Look at previous pics of trench flooded as dig was progressing That tells what Needs to be addressed as the digging progress,s. Beginning of trench needs 1.5 inches built up to fix the fuucked up clean out done by some dbag. Other spots in trench need shave dug and filled once this pipe is pulled out. It really ain't that hard to see all of this per pics I have posted and what I have posted.
I hope you ain't thinking I'm leaving the trench like it is now. All halfazzed and schit. Because that is what I get from your post also. 🤔🤦♂️🤔
I am in the 1/4" per 1' Thats how we have always laid it anyway.
There has to be a drop from your elevation to where it is in the manhole. I thought you said the man hole was like 8' deep.( To late to go back tonight and look) Once it hits property line they probably offset 2 -45* to gain depth.
For every 20 foot section of pipe I would want 5 inches of pitch, 1/4 inch per foot, So for that 20 feet of pipe, the upstream side would be above the water, (not touching the bottom of the pipe) And the end of the lower 20 foot would be completely underwater, (top of pipe submerged)
Your trench is not deep enough, that is why it is backing up on you.
Not trying to rain on your parade, just trying to help accomplish the mission.
No... You are not getting the visual out of that pic. The bow section is floating in that pic. That sleeve joint under the improperly laid side walk was not glued from prior dumb azz,s and the section I'm straddling over is the spot by the house needs to come up 1.5 inches at the cleanout to the main out of the house cause some dumbazz did fuuked up work.
And I'm well beyond that black rubber joint at the other end of the bowed line.
I am not going to keep explaining what has gone on . What needs to go on.
Done with being what if,d. Done with contraian seemingly on purpose stuff Done with false advice or knowledge....
I know who to listen to for advice and who not too....
There has to be a drop from your elevation to where it is in the manhole. I thought you said the man hole was like 8' deep.( To late to go back tonight and look) Once it hits property line they probably offset 2 -45* to gain depth.
Exactly... The street is elevated about 2.5 to 3 ft above my lawn All homes on south side of street are like that. And all on north side equal or above street slightly. I live on a ridge....
The city line is sloped upward to my line. Because they can't have input lines equal to water level in sewer lines because of back flow.....
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I would expect the sewer main your lateral ties into to be 7-8 feet deep at a minimum and 20+ at a maximum.
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.
Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out. Plenty of mains knocking on 100 years old.
They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.
Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out.
They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.
I see - my bad. Misinterpreted what he was saying.
Sadly - infiltration is quite common in some areas. People don't realize that chit goes right in the nearest creek when a hard rain happens.
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run. What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.
I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying. It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.
Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.
Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with. And the misconception of being sniped at on here.
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.
Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out.
They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.
Sadly - that is quite common in some areas.
Still have a few downspouts tied into sanitary. I like it when we did smoke tests and fogged peoples basements up because old floor drains were tied into the sanitary.
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run. What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.
I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying. It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.
Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.
Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with. And the misconception of being sniped at on here.
🤷♂️ Sorry...
But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.
I need to reach that city main hookup.
Hopefully there is a 45° section at the tap that can be shortened so you can get more fall. Make sense??
Knock another foot out of the bottom of that trench and toss gravel in, rake to the slope you need, tamp it in, lay pipe in and be good to go.
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run. What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.
I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying. It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.
Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.
Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with. And the misconception of being sniped at on here.
🤷♂️ Sorry...
But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.
I need to reach that city main hookup.
Pard,,,smoke break,, Everyone's just trying to help from afar. Work with what ya got.Gain what you can at the house,you may get lucky and find an offset closer to prop line. All good
Pretty messed up to have to stay above water level due to infiltration. Very poorly built and poorly tested if that's actually the case. Sanitary is the deepest utility in any area generally. When properly constructed, it is pressure tested, leak down tested and then run through with a camera before being accepted by the controlling entity.
I think he is saying main has to be lower than services so no back up into the residential service.
Infiltration is common in our town because of old clay sewer mains with cracks, root intrusion and old taps breaking out.
They are slowly replacing or lining mains. Been in on some of this as I was their main water/sewer guy for a few years.
I see - my bad. Misinterpreted what he was saying.
Sadly - infiltration is quite common in some areas. People don't realize that chit goes right in the nearest creek when a hard rain happens.
They lined the sewers all over the city about 6 yrs ago. Smoke tested. Big inside out expanding out rolls of into the sewer lines.
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run. What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.
I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying. It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.
Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.
Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with. And the misconception of being sniped at on here.
🤷♂️ Sorry...
But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.
I need to reach that city main hookup.
Hopefully there is a 45° section at the tap that can be shortened so you can get more fall. Make sense??
Knock another foot out of the bottom of that trench and toss gravel in, rake to the slope you need, tamp it in, lay pipe in and be good to go.
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
Just be careful with the tap. I would be very tempted to ha e the city put a new rubber tap on if it is easy to get a band around the main. Especially if it is a clay main the has a tap the is using concrete to hold the tap in place.
I live on the down hill side of a ridge with a road on the crest That Orangeburg schit I been digging up is in the same depth all I'm gonna get is 4 inches of drop max over the run. What they had for codes or whatever the builders did in 64 is what I gotta live with in relation to house main exit height and city main height.
I'm just getting frustrated by it now versus what many of your guys are saying. It's not personal and you guys advice and knowledge is appreciated.
Apologize to you Kenneth and others for me being an azz.
Just aggravation with the cards I been dealing with. And the misconception of being sniped at on here.
🤷♂️ Sorry...
But I got more fuuuking digging to do tommorow.
I need to reach that city main hookup.
Pard,,,smoke break,, Everyone's just trying to help from afar. Work with what ya got.Gain what you can at the house,you may get lucky and find an offset closer to prop line. All good
I know man..
I need to reach that city main hookup.
If I have the ability to drop this trench based on what the fuuuk it's, That would be easy to do to get that slope.
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
The turn down I was speaking of hasn't been uncovered yet - you may get feet of drop if you run into it. Is the main in the center of the road? Hopefully it's on your side of the road.
Normally those turn downs are 5' or more long. The sanitary almost always runs under everything else. The storm sewer is pretty big compared to sanitary so there's usually a pretty good bit of depth to work with. Being on a ridge, there may not be much or any storm but the sewer main should still be 5' deep.
I'm spoiled by not having to work on residential stuff in the last 20 years. Almost all we do is data centers for google, microsoft and facebook. We're working in TN, SC, NC, AL and GA right now but we do them all over the world.
I build 3d models of the as-constructed utilities. 8 survey crews feed the data I need to me.
4 to 6 inches more drop would be good. Pvc drop would be a bonus . A bonus I need after all the jakked up schit I have encountered since starting. To easy to pick axe some more depth to a cut in a pvc drop . Stuff a rag in it.
Pick axe the slope , shovel it out. Tamp the schit outta the clay bottom Bed it with sand tamped Bed pipe sides Sand or gravel?? Get pipe hooked up. Back fill it right.
Crushed gravel. No sand. 1/2" or smaller. You need 4" of stone under the pipe and 6" over the top of the pipe where anything heavier than a push mower can run over it or anywhere it's less than a foot deep. Backfill with stone completely under the walk.
Compact the bed under the pipe on proper grade with a tamp or by jumping up and down on it. Lay yer pipe, chuck the rest of the stone in the trench and backfill it. Don't tamp or jump up and down on the gravel over the pipe. You can compact once you backfill the dirt.
4 to 6 inches more drop would be good. Pvc drop would be a bonus . A bonus I need after all the jakked up schit I have encountered since starting. To easy to pick axe some more depth to a cut in a pvc drop . Stuff a rag in it.
Pick axe the slope , shovel it out. Tamp the schit outta the clay bottom Bed it with sand tamped Bed pipe sides Sand or gravel?? Get pipe hooked up. Back fill it right.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
— Exodus 20:8-11
God will forgive me for breaking the Sabbath. He rolls like that. He kinda out ranks Jesus. I won't post using cuss words today, that should compensate somewhat. 👍🏻🙂👍🏻
You remember that time I was gonna church because we had a fill-in pastor….and I was headed back on the bush hog tract-ter….yellow jacket tore my ass up
I think Rene is allowed to get his ox out of the ditch. He does have a ditch. Not sure about the ox.
And wabigoon is allowed to sit on his ass in church for 80 years and not be able to explain- security of the believer, sanctification, justification, the dispensation of conscious, the Great Commission, the body, the elect, the wherefores and the therefores
God will forgive me for breaking the Sabbath. He rolls like that. He kinda out ranks Jesus. I won't post using cuss words today, that should compensate somewhat. 👍🏻🙂👍🏻
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
I think Rene is allowed to get his ox out of the ditch. He does have a ditch. Not sure about the ox.
And wabigoon is allowed to sit on his ass in church for 80 years and not be able to explain- security of the believer, sanctification, justification, the dispensation of conscious, the Great Commission, the body, the elect, the wherefores and the therefores
4 to 6 inches more drop would be good. Pvc drop would be a bonus . A bonus I need after all the jakked up schit I have encountered since starting. To easy to pick axe some more depth to a cut in a pvc drop . Stuff a rag in it.
Pick axe the slope , shovel it out. Tamp the schit outta the clay bottom Bed it with sand tamped Bed pipe sides Sand or gravel?? Get pipe hooked up. Back fill it right.
Gotta keep on digging 1st...
10 Gauge is giving good advice. Spot on. Don't use sand. Only use small stone/gravel as back fill on all sides of the pipe. Remember you are confined to certain angles when working with pipe fittings. 22.5°, 45°, 60°, 90°... If you shorten the slope you'll probably have to lengthen the run. Ferncos are your friends .
Probably easier to expose the pipe, cut it out of there and then dig. Why keep digging around the pipe.?.? Solvent coupler at the house end, couple of fittings and a fernco at the street end.
4 to 6 inches more drop would be good. Pvc drop would be a bonus . A bonus I need after all the jakked up schit I have encountered since starting. To easy to pick axe some more depth to a cut in a pvc drop . Stuff a rag in it.
Pick axe the slope , shovel it out. Tamp the schit outta the clay bottom Bed it with sand tamped Bed pipe sides Sand or gravel?? Get pipe hooked up. Back fill it right.
Gotta keep on digging 1st...
10 Gauge is giving good advice. Spot on. Don't use sand. Only use small stone/gravel as back fill on all sides of the pipe. Remember you are confined to certain angles when working with pipe fittings. 22.5°, 45°, 60°, 90°... If you shorten the slope you'll probably have to lengthen the run. Ferncos are your friends .
Probably easier to expose the pipe, cut it out of there and then dig. Why keep digging around the pipe.?.? Solvent coupler at the house end, couple of fittings and a fernco at the street end.
I think fernco at house, iron pipe coming out of foundation. Possibly one at the drop if that's clay or iron. Glue joints in between.
Anything longer than his stated 55' and I would have a clean out near foundation and one stubbed up out near the road.
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
or the main could be in the middle of the street or even the other side .
Didn't realize so many observant Jews in this forum.
And Paul said tell a dumb mutha dat brotha Jesus done been kilt and been raised up so go forth and flip off judgy SOBs whos chit already rolls down the hill.
He said "Ren my child and former soldier". "Here is some messed up peice of pipe elbow with different color print on it." "It is your clue you are close my son" "Dig out the other side my child and expose your schedule 40 pipe". "Call it a day when you accomplish that" " It is cold and windy my son, you do not have to suffer the elements like you did long ago for other justifications"
So I heard God and lit up a smoke, took a couple of pics and making my post to good cats on 24 who are just trying to help from afar. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
or the main could be in the middle of the street or even the other side .
He said "Ren my child and former soldier". "Here is some messed up peice of pipe elbow with different color print on it." "It is your clue you are close my son" "Dig out the other side my child and expose your schedule 40 pipe". "Call it a day when you accomplish that" " It is cold and windy my son, you do not have to suffer the elements like you did long ago for other justifications"
So I heard God and lit up a smoke, took a couple of pics and making my post to good cats on 24 who are just trying to help from afar. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Please forgive the C wire scar on the bridge of my nose. All part of a job from chapter 2 of my life. Chapter 3 now and don't have to do things like cut a breach into a trench during a live fire as some young team leader did long ago...
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Yes it hurt like heck.. And I was a bloody mess.
But homies Team got the breach open and accomplished their intial task. Then Homie got the platoon Doc to hook him up during the AAR. Homies platoon buddies had a good time in a bantering way joking and talking about young homie cutting C wire bleeding all over the place, leaving a blood trail of progress and continuing on with his team's task. Homies 3 team members got feces talking rights in many ways from it all also.
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
or the main could be in the middle of the street or even the other side .
Thinking his side is what he said.
that would be most excellent. been on a road trip so I'm several pages behind here. probably near your part of the state. Columbia, Fulton, Sturgeon
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
or the main could be in the middle of the street or even the other side .
Thinking his side is what he said.
My side. 1 ft in the street. About 10 or 11 ft from man hole cover. Closer probably than that cause the sewer wall is about 2ft closer to lawn.
I gotta be close . This blue letter pipe is some sort of T intersection.
Gotta go uncover it in a few. Little extended break.
God told me I earned a little longer break just now.
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
or the main could be in the middle of the street or even the other side .
Thinking his side is what he said.
My side. 1 ft in the street. About 10 or 11 ft from man hole cover. Closer probably than that cause the sewer wall is about 2ft closer to lawn.
I gotta be close . This blue letter pipe is some sort of T intersection.
Gotta go uncover it in a few. Little extended break.
God told me I earned a little longer break just now.
Or if the main is a fair amount deeper than the service you won't need to actually be at the tap. Especially if the have a piece a few feet long at a 45°. Buzz a foot off of that 45° piece, glue another 45 female to female on if it is pvc or use a fernco for the transition if it is clay or iron.
or the main could be in the middle of the street or even the other side .
Thinking his side is what he said.
that would be most excellent. been on a road trip so I'm several pages behind here. probably near your part of the state. Columbia, Fulton, Sturgeon
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Probably just straight into the manhole, no drop. Aint like I aint never raised 12,000 and looked in.
I busted a lot of people for shared services, unmapped connections avoiding billing. Lots of bootleg connections and coring.
Hahaha
I made people have to tear down privacy fences built on our easments, mfkers putting sheds on MHs, ass holes putting 12” of dirt and sod on MHs. I’d have a trackhoe, backhoe crew come out and bring it flush with rings.
If you had an attitude or covered it again, I sent crew out and put a goddamm 12” concrete donut on the cone. And then I’d spay paint it hot PINK. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW bitch??? 🤣😱😳💩
Probably just straight into the manhole, no drop. Aint like I aint never raised 12,000 and looked in.
I busted a lot of people for shared services, unmapped connections avoiding billing. Lots of bootleg connections and coring.
Hahaha
I made people have to tear down privacy fences built on our easments, mfkers putting sheds on MHs, ass holes putting 12” of dirt and sod on MHs. I’d have a trackhoe, backhoe crew come out and bring it flush with rings.
If you had an attitude or covered it again, I sent crew out and put a goddamm 12” concrete donut on the cone. And then I’d spay paint it hot PINK. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW bitch??? 🤣😱😳💩
Probably just straight into the manhole, no drop. Aint like I aint never raised 12,000 and looked in.
I busted a lot of people for shared services, unmapped connections avoiding billing. Lots of bootleg connections and coring.
Hahaha
I made people have to tear down privacy fences built on our easments, mfkers putting sheds on MHs, ass holes putting 12” of dirt and sod on MHs. I’d have a trackhoe, backhoe crew come out and bring it flush with rings.
If you had an attitude or covered it again, I sent crew out and put a goddamm 12” concrete donut on the cone. And then I’d spay paint it hot PINK. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW bitch??? 🤣😱😳💩
🤣🤣🤣 Torch the Ville.....
God... I hope it ain't straight in. I might pull that rubber connector and measure from that to manhole, then run the tape down it. Resistance one way or the other will tell me either or.
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If it's straight in . I got 1.5 inches at the house the pipe can go up on that 4 to 6 rubber thing. And redo the trench using that as best as I can. 🤦♂️🤦♂️😖😖😖😖😔😔😔😖😖😖🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's no swearing sunday.. I'm doing good so far...
Is this job over yet? Dang Ren, your wife must feel like one of those people who believe the contractor when he says the kitchen remodel will only take two weeks.
Normally those turn downs are 5' or more long. The sanitary almost always runs under everything else. The storm sewer is pretty big compared to sanitary so there's usually a pretty good bit of depth to work with. Being on a ridge, there may not be much or any storm but the sewer main should still be 5' deep.
I'm spoiled by not having to work on residential stuff in the last 20 years. Almost all we do is data centers for google, microsoft and facebook. We're working in TN, SC, NC, AL and GA right now but we do them all over the world.
I build 3d models of the as-constructed utilities. 8 survey crews feed the data I need to me.
I'm in for a C-Note worth of supplies at Hobby Lobby. PM me if you need a direct line to the Renegade50 for as-built data.
If this pipe is a straight shot🤦♂️🤦♂️ and don't have a drop in it. I'm gonna have to more than likely find one of these to gain back 1.5 inches lost right off the main by the house.
If this pipe is a straight shot🤦♂️🤦♂️ and don't have a drop in it. I'm gonna have to more than likely find one of these to gain back 1.5 inches lost right off the main by the house.
Pard, As you know when it comes to plumbing, a straight shot is always preferable. However, if this pipe is lacking a drop and has caused a loss of 1.5 inches right off the main by the house, it's time to take action. You know that the pipe is clear and the issue is simply a lack of drop, you'll need to find a solution that will allow you to regain that lost 1.5 inches. One option is to install a new pipe with the necessary drop, but this can be a costly and time-consuming process. A simpler and more cost-effective solution is to install a drop-in fitting that will allow you to regain the lost elevation without the need for a complete pipe replacement. These fittings are easy to install and can be a great solution for a variety of plumbing issues. So if you're dealing with a straight shot pipe that lacks the necessary drop, don't despair. With the right tools and a little know-how, you can regain that lost elevation and get your plumbing back on track. And one more thing to keep in mind: if you're planning on tackling this plumbing project yourself, make sure you're fully prepared to see it through to the end. That means no more smoke breaks or distractions - this is a job that requires your full attention and focus. As you know plumbing can be a tricky business, and even small mistakes can lead to big problems down the line. So before you get started, take the time to familiarize yourself with the necessary tools and techniques, and make sure you have a solid plan in place. Remember, if you're not confident in your abilities, it's always best to call in a professional plumber to handle the job. But if you're up for the challenge, with a little patience and perseverance, you can get the job done right and enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done.
"How many more pages?" At least a dozen. On the bright side, most of the schidt that gets spread around on this site isn't contained in any kind of pipe!
This thread has literally invaded my dreams. Last night I dreamt I'd bought a house and Renegade50 was there. We were sitting in a couple lawn chairs in the garage drinking beers looking out the overhead door when my wife casually mentions a wet spot in the front yard.
Have a pard looking for some in Arkansas, no sun drop up here in Alaska. I was going to buy some off flea bay but they want like 20 plus bucks for a 12 pack that doesn't include shipping.
Here are some pics. Just really aggravates me. What were these morons thinking??
You can see this rube Goldberg installed clean out peiced into the 1st section of yard line. And the 1.5 inches lost in the height from it to that 1st long section..
That fernco that looks like they deliberately put foot pressure on it to flew it to sit low and all the cockeyed sections below the shallow ground before they tightened up the hose clamps. I bet they buried the pipe running out in the lawn 1st took make sure it sat in the trench so they could get this drop at the house like that clean out all pieced together angled going down. Only explanation I can think of... Idiots.
Fix that ... Give me back 1.5 inches height at Start of pipe. Then when done and entire trench is back filled Haul dirt in that area and make 3 to 5 inches higher than what it is now.
Only positive thing that has happened is identification of the long pipe section that was the bow per city scope guy.
ID the flexed freely moving non glued pvc joint on it at the house side that was under the side walk Idiots...
ID the fernco joint on road side that has flexed causing the Start of the bow Idiots...
Pic of manhole
If this thing is a straight shot. Gonna have to deal with cards I got .
If it has a elbow going down. That would be a lifesaver if I could get 3 to 6 inches cut lower on that and gain 1.5 inches in height at the house
I mean what type of Idiots do this type of " work" overall and think it is remotely correct. After all the issues I have uncovered or discovered. I am pretty aggravated....
Mr Wolfe from Pulp Fiction would be too I bet... 🤦♂️🤦♂️😖🤦♂️🤦♂️
^^^^^^ All of that above per no swear sunday.. 👍🏻🤣👍🏻👍🏻
This thread has literally invaded my dreams. Last night I dreamt I'd bought a house and Renegade50 was there. We were sitting in a couple lawn chairs in the garage drinking beers looking out the overhead door when my wife casually mentions a wet spot in the front yard.
All this activity at the Renegade place is bound to inspire competition from around the neighborhood. So it won't be long before the guy across the street has a trenching project going.
This thread has literally invaded my dreams. Last night I dreamt I'd bought a house and Renegade50 was there. We were sitting in a couple lawn chairs in the garage drinking beers looking out the overhead door when my wife casually mentions a wet spot in the front yard.
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This is no shït. It woke me up. I went back to sleep to find out if the house was on sewer or had a septic. LOL.
Whoo Lawdy,that's classic. You mentioned a 6x4,but they have 1 side of fernco on the hub. Could've flipped that clean out tee to where coupling is and used a straight pc of pipe.musta been a Friday afternoon job.
Whoo Lawdy,that's classic. You mentioned a 6x4,but they have 1 side of fernco on the hub. Could've flipped that clean out tee to where coupling is and used a straight pc of pipe.musta been a Friday afternoon job.
$20 says that the slope of that sewer line was determined by the elasticity of the Fernco.
Whoo Lawdy,that's classic. You mentioned a 6x4,but they have 1 side of fernco on the hub. Could've flipped that clean out tee to where coupling is and used a straight pc of pipe.musta been a Friday afternoon job.
$20 says that the slope of that sewer line was determined by the elasticity of the Fernco.
Off course the pipe going into the dig appears to be going up. And the pipe going back to the house before the black rubber connector is going up like it should but not a sloped up as it should due to the house main and the sewer connector.
Only thing I can hope for is a elbow down turn while digging tommorow.
If it is straight.
Gonna have to gain what I can get off the house main for that lost 1.5" that the morons r us did.
And fill under this bow and long run pipe and that unglued connector bow under the side walk to level it out as best I can. Do a 180 with entire pipe length also as a test and also to clear under side walk with no joint..
It's had to see the water as a level for a fall and rise judge in realtion to pipe height above water line the pics versus real world looking at it..
I dug a ditch like that about 250 ft when I was 11 years old for my grand dad to run power to his barn.
Me and my wife dug the footings of our home, with a pick and shovel 1800 sq ft.
Then went on to build the house without a sissified electrical service temp pole like most onionhead framers have today.
Carried goddamm 5 gal buckets of water 75 yards from a creek across a briar patch to lay all of the block and brick. Mixed all the mortar in a wheel barrow.
I dug a ditch like that about 250 ft when I was 11 years old for my grand dad to run power to his barn.
Me and my wife dug the footings of our home, with a pick and shovel 1800 sq ft.
Then went on to build the house without a sissified electrical service temp pole like most onionhead framers have today.
Carried goddamm 5 gal buckets of water 75 yards from a creek across a briar patch to lay all of the block and brick. Mixed all the mortar in a wheel barrow.
No pothead crew with gas powered mixer for us
At this point I'm pretty confident The Flakka crew did this cluster intercourse I'm trying to Un fornicate....🤦♂️🤦♂️😔🤦♂️🤦♂️ No swear sunday....👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤪🤣 After the strung out chick just skip the dude at the drive thru and go to the last guy. # 1 and #3 Paint the picture in your minds of them installing a sewer pipe.. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤪🤦♂️🤦♂️
I wouldn't use that off set fernco. Go straigt at joint to go iron to pvc then a 22.5° to get the offset, then down to another 22.5° to my run, 45° probably too much, maybe not.
That offset just looks like a tp dam waiting to happen.
I wouldn't use that off set fernco. Go straigt at joint to go iron to pvc then a 22.5° to get the offset, then down to another 22.5° to my run, 45° probably too much, maybe not.
I will draw you a fine sketch in a bit.
I'm gonna get back that 1.5 " that I'm getting robbed of now at the beginning of the pipe right.
Can ya find a pic of what I need to get that 1.5" back from the Start . 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I figure getting that 1.5 " back on the beginning of the 1st section of pipe at the house is gonna help me with a better slope than now over the whole run spread out???
It has too...🤔🤷♂️🤔 At least speed up water flow intially some more than now into the rest of the pipe runs slope.
I can cover up the area around the house with dirt 3 to 5 inches more than current level. The clean out and house pipe were not but 2 inches under ground to begin with.. 🤦♂️🤦♂️😡🤦♂️🤦♂️ I just need to know what to use so the bottom of the iron pipe is same level as bottom of the pvc hook up to get that 1.5" I'm being robbed of right now. For more elevation at start of run and give me some more slope from the start.
Pard,just use the fernco(blk rubber boot) that's in the middle of the run ,,at the start. Move that clean out back away from house to where the pvc coupling is,looks like a glue joint. Use that coupling where the fernco was,(as long as that first coupling is not glued(thought you said some were not glued. You scored the 4' pc from the ditch if you need a little pc. Easy peasy Pard.
He needs the elevation,I believe he wants to go straight from cast to set the run.
This... I just don't know how to word this stuff. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Brain fart on my end suggesting an offset.
Yes you want a straight 4" iron to 4" pvc Fernco. Help to know whether ductile iron or cast iron. OD will be different.
Make sure you get the iron and pvc as close together as possible.
Get one of the city guys to bring his pipe tape by and measure OD, this will tell you whether cast or ductile. Or buy 1 of each and take the unused back.
I dug a ditch like that about 250 ft when I was 11 years old for my grand dad to run power to his barn.
Me and my wife dug the footings of our home, with a pick and shovel 1800 sq ft.
Then went on to build the house without a sissified electrical service temp pole like most onionhead framers have today.
Carried goddamm 5 gal buckets of water 75 yards from a creek across a briar patch to lay all of the block and brick. Mixed all the mortar in a wheel barrow.
Now what to look for now and how it should transition into the clean out now. Exit side of clean out will be the pipe
Entry side of clean out will be a section of pipe into house connector.
And not this abortion that exist currently.
Digging tommorow. Might find a drop into the city line. Which would be great in conjunction with fixing up the line coming out of the house. If the pipe is straight into the city I can still gain intial height from the house.
Good luck r50. With all the work you put into this the 1st dump should be like a ship launch.
celebration
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The toilets are flushing fine since I got the long bowed section uncovered and it sprung up having the pressure taking off it from The Flakka crew install before I bought the place. Started manifesting itself about little over a year ago. I blew it off. Get it done now before turkey season...
All matter of doing the work correct within the parameters of the house main, geography, and the slope I can get now per the advice from many I have gotten on here.
Be nice to find a bend into the city line digging tommorow. I can get more slope if that happens.
I dug a ditch like that about 250 ft when I was 11 years old for my grand dad to run power to his barn.
Me and my wife dug the footings of our home, with a pick and shovel 1800 sq ft.
Then went on to build the house without a sissified electrical service temp pole like most onionhead framers have today.
Carried goddamm 5 gal buckets of water 75 yards from a creek across a briar patch to lay all of the block and brick. Mixed all the mortar in a wheel barrow.
No pothead crew with gas powered mixer for us
Was it snowing? Both ways?
You contribute less than VarmintGuy around here
And I’m pretty sure youre gay too
LOL
back on ignore ya go- no more attention from the big guy
Probably just straight into the manhole, no drop. Aint like I aint never raised 12,000 and looked in.
I busted a lot of people for shared services, unmapped connections avoiding billing. Lots of bootleg connections and coring.
Hahaha
I made people have to tear down privacy fences built on our easments, mfkers putting sheds on MHs, ass holes putting 12” of dirt and sod on MHs. I’d have a trackhoe, backhoe crew come out and bring it flush with rings.
If you had an attitude or covered it again, I sent crew out and put a goddamm 12” concrete donut on the cone. And then I’d spay paint it hot PINK. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW bitch??? 🤣😱😳💩
I love it. Might be my new favorite Muzak! I think I'll put in a request at the boomer market in town for them to start putting that in the rotation with the John Denver and Creedence.
Did anyone one else see the cool lyrics about friendship. Quite fitting for this thread. renegade's got a lot of friends pulling for him.
Oh, I bet them chicks are hot as in HOT once you get them out of the cool duds they're wearing.
I dug a ditch like that about 250 ft when I was 11 years old for my grand dad to run power to his barn.
Me and my wife dug the footings of our home, with a pick and shovel 1800 sq ft.
Then went on to build the house without a sissified electrical service temp pole like most onionhead framers have today.
Carried goddamm 5 gal buckets of water 75 yards from a creek across a briar patch to lay all of the block and brick. Mixed all the mortar in a wheel barrow.
No pothead crew with gas powered mixer for us
Was it snowing? Both ways?
You contribute less than VarmintGuy around here
And I’m pretty sure youre gay too
LOL
back on ignore ya go- no more attention from the big guy
Well .... I'm pretty fuuked on drop elbow in the pipe. Just pulled the manhole cover. Took a tape measurement to about an inch of the bottom of the 8 inch ? City clay pipe. Got 79" Pulled it up about 2 inches got 77" To the top of cover/ road Got a cinder block and tied off 550 under bottom Pulled to trench for hasty level/ eyeball it best as possible tie in with tape. Could see it plane out "level" per readings off top and bottom of pipe in trench within 3 to 4 inches of the city pipe measurements
Gotta be a straight shot pipe.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Ain't digging no more . Go shopping for materials.....
Well .... I'm pretty fuuked on drop elbow in the pipe. Just pulled the manhole cover. Took a tape measurement to about an inch of the bottom of the 8 inch ? City clay pipe. Got 79" Pulled it up about 2 inches got 77" To the top of cover/ road Got a cinder block and tied off 550 under bottom Pulled to trench for hasty level/ eyeball it best as possible tie in with tape. Could see it plane out "level" per readings off top and bottom of pipe in trench within 3 to 4 inches of the city pipe measurements
Gotta be a straight shot pipe.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Ain't digging no more . Go shopping for materials.....
Can you find some teflon lined Sch 40? Make that schiedt slide better on that minimal fall run. Maybe have them wimmins eat more olive and avocado oil?
While everyone else was watching Howdy Doody, I was popping lids on 12,000+ MH out of 18,000 network wide.
If you are a STUB-OUT service, it’s almost entirely a straight in.
Would have liked to have seen a pic of inside that manhole, is the incoming at 79” above the bench? Or bottomed out? Is there room for a re-coring and lowering? Might be a tough sell. I’ve known contractors to take it upon themselves and cut a core without inquiring with the Wastewater Division.
Measurements about 1 inch above bottom and about way of city pipe. 😔😔😔 Then the corresponding primitive level measuremeny on end of trench pipe.
I'm fuuuked and gotta work with what I got.... Get that 1.5 " lost in height back at tye house. Bow has been elimated . Toilet flow better once that bow had all the pressure from the settled trench dug off it.
Get this pipe out . Line and slope trench. Test fit it all.
Bedded the end pipe in checked it for flow with hose and punched out with snake x 2
I got about 5 maybe 6 inches to use for slope up to the house main . Is what it is and the schitty cards I gotta work with and make the best out of it I can.
Need to get this bedded and hooked by the time the women get home from work around 7 730.
Can't have them split tails not have a place to go pee pee or take a shower.. Switching up pipes to have a clear run under the fuuuuking side walk like it should have been in the 1st place is next. Using that existing fernco on that end pipe with proper 2 inches of gravel tamped under it. Which should have been done in the 1st fuuuuking place again
I'm 290 bucks total into this and hopefully no more except maybe a 10 or 12 buck connector.
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The whole project may have been a bit of a pain in the ass so far, but you are coming in $2,500 under your low bid. Pretty healthy savings towards the gun/ammo fund. Also, none of the contractors that bid on the job could have created any more slope than what is there.
Bottom line, to me, is you end up job getting done as best as it can be, per your own specs. Plus extra money for the pocket.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Roots growing into sewer lines.
no trees around my field lines
I just hate the leaves swirling around 5 different out buildings, my open outdoor kitchen, all of my slab patio surfaces.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Move to the desert, it will get you away from all that crap.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Move to the desert, it will get you away from all that crap.
Good for getting away from the evils of men too.
Seen that crap, I ain’t like the dipshîts on here that “aint ever been east of Pocatello”
I travel I’ve been to almost every state.
Oh the joy of your mafic crusty lava flows, cat piss sage, and dust/rocks. 😕
I’m a fan of water, but if a man wants to live without it. I won’t stand in the way.
Wife and I went to Las Vegas once. We rented a car, and being the dumbass I am, I filled it up with gas, not knowing I really didn’t need a car at all. One day we decided to just go drive some of that gas out. We drove for hours. The only fuuking things I saw were one roadrunner and an Indian casino. Ya’ll can have my part of that.
I’m a fan of water, but if a man wants to live without it. I won’t stand in the way.
Wife and I went to Las Vegas once. We rented a car, and being the dumbass I am, I filled it up with gas, not knowing I really didn’t need a car at all. One day we decided to just go drive some of that gas out. We drove for hours. The only fuuking things I saw were one roadrunner and an Indian casino. Ya’ll can have my part of that.
You just didn't go far enough to see the good stuff.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Move to the desert, it will get you away from all that crap.
Good for getting away from the evils of men too.
Seen that crap, I ain’t like the dipshîts on here that “aint ever been east of Pocatello”
I travel I’ve been to almost every state.
Oh the joy of your mafic crusty lava flows, cat piss sage, and dust/rocks. 😕
Side walk clear run like it should have fuuuuking been in the 1st place
I'm getting their. Taking a break. Looking at my 1.5 inch slope I get to gain back on about the last 20 feet to the house. Need to cut a 3 and a 4 section of pipe . One of them will work Glue it into the clean and end of pipe. Slide the Frenco over the house pipe Drop assembly in place Slide Frenco and tighten it up.
Only been in TN once and being from AZ...I couldn't believe the trees. I was young but I remember the trees.
It probably isn't like that everywhere, as any state.
Regards
They are pain in the ass. I hate having so many. Just giant weeds that shît all over everything. Oak tassels, maple helicopters, knee deep leaves, fuggin power going off quite often with weekly tornadoes and sling trees every which way.
Move to the desert, it will get you away from all that crap.
Good for getting away from the evils of men too.
Seen that crap, I ain’t like the dipshîts on here that “aint ever been east of Pocatello”
I travel I’ve been to almost every state.
Oh the joy of your mafic crusty lava flows, cat piss sage, and dust/rocks. 😕
No wonder you bastards live to 137
No yard to keep
East would be a weird way to go.
I've lived there in my 20s, and again in my 40's.
Lots of benefits but I always wanted to get back where I could see for more than a mile in one direction.
And that sweating as soon as I got out of the shower sucked!
Just had a meeting that reminds me of this thread and the discussion over the slope of Ren's pipe.
Me: That's a bug. Product: I understand that the customer feels that way but the software works as we designed it. That's a feature request then, not a bug and they need to pay for it. Me: The design IS the damned bug man. It's not state of the industry and it make zero sense to have it work that way.
Side walk clear run like it should have fuuuuking been in the 1st place
I'm getting their. Taking a break. Looking at my 1.5 inch slope I get to gain back on about the last 20 feet to the house. Need to cut a 3 and a 4 section of pipe . One of them will work Glue it into the clean and end of pipe. Slide the Frenco over the house pipe Drop assembly in place Slide Frenco and tighten it up.
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Make sure butt end of iron and pvc are as close together as fernco allows.
Christ, only on the fire would there be so many imbeciles doting on a guy digging a schitt line. Big tech, very educational and oh so interesting. Bet you tards could make this the longest thread ever. Oh and his best bud massaging his cock the whole time...Yeeeeeee.
Did the best job I could for the day. Been running a hose slow and medium down it. Flushed toilets. They seemed to flow better.
Ran kitchen sink and both showers. Not getting any back flow with all that running.
Is what it is. Got a slight turn in the line at the house. But got it all flush bottom to bottom and snug around. and got that 1.5" I was robbed of back. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Christ, only on the fire would there be so many imbeciles doting on a guy digging a schitt line. Big tech, very educational and oh so interesting. Bet you tards could make this the longest thread ever. Oh and his best bud massaging his cock the whole time...Yeeeeeee.
How many schit lines have you dug up and fixed ur self?
Did the best job I could for the day. Been running a hose slow and medium down it. Flushed toilets. They seemed to flow better.
Ran kitchen sink and both showers. Not getting any back flow with all that running.
Is what it is. Got a slight turn in the line at the house. But got it all flush bottom to bottom and snug around. and got that 1.5" I was robbed of back. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Christ, only on the fire would there be so many imbeciles doting on a guy digging a schitt line. Big tech, very educational and oh so interesting. Bet you tards could make this the longest thread ever. Oh and his best bud massaging his cock the whole time...Yeeeeeee.
Chesapeake......yeah, that's about right. Heard tell you boys know an awful lot about massaging other fellers cocks.
Christ, only on the fire would there be so many imbeciles doting on a guy digging a schitt line. Big tech, very educational and oh so interesting. Bet you tards could make this the longest thread ever. Oh and his best bud massaging his cock the whole time...Yeeeeeee.
Does that “K” in your screen name happen to stand for Karen?
Lol!!! Was wondering who that was that popped up as on Ignore.
KSMITH... Lol!!!
Have had him and other worthless ankle biters and scumball sockpuppets on ignore since last spring when I started the " pics or it never happened thread" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Denial of interaction, attention, any cred in their head is the ultimate jedi mind fuuuuk on those types.
Basically irrelevant posters that contribute nothing other than butthurt and grasping for interaction positive or negative from well known posters.
I don't put people on Ignore to ignore them. I do it to deny them relevance they think they get from taking on a well known poster. Basically punishment by denying them the engagement they seek.
" pics or it never happened" Maybe KSMITH will put some up of some Bucks he killed last season.
They all had their chance on that " pics or it never happened" scumball sockpuppet and ankle biters thread.
Lol!!! Was wondering who that was that popped up as on Ignore.
KSMITH... Lol!!!
Have had him and other worthless ankle biters and scumball sockpuppets on ignore since last spring when I started the " pics or it never happened thread" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Denial of interaction, attention, any cred in their head is the ultimate jedi mind fuuuuk on those types.
Basically irrelevant posters that contribute nothing other than butthurt and grasping for interaction positive or negative from well known posters.
I don't put people on Ignore to ignore them. I do it to deny them relevance they think they get from taking on a well known poster. Basically punishment by denying them the engagement they seek.
" pics or it never happened" Maybe KSMITH will put some up of some Bucks he killed last season.
They all had their chance on that " pics or it never happened" scumball sockpuppet and ankle biters thread.
Still didn't happen from any of em... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bout it...
Ain't got no buck picks, I eat deer for food. Here's dinner tonight though
Jalapeno chili mac for dinner. No cast iron pipe or leaky white effluent included.... until tomorrow.
KABLAM! I feel sorry for the pipes in the head at work.
Lol!!! Was wondering who that was that popped up as on Ignore.
KSMITH... Lol!!!
Have had him and other worthless ankle biters and scumball sockpuppets on ignore since last spring when I started the " pics or it never happened thread" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Denial of interaction, attention, any cred in their head is the ultimate jedi mind fuuuuk on those types.
Basically irrelevant posters that contribute nothing other than butthurt and grasping for interaction positive or negative from well known posters.
I don't put people on Ignore to ignore them. I do it to deny them relevance they think they get from taking on a well known poster. Basically punishment by denying them the engagement they seek.
" pics or it never happened" Maybe KSMITH will put some up of some Bucks he killed last season.
They all had their chance on that " pics or it never happened" scumball sockpuppet and ankle biters thread.
Still didn't happen from any of em... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bout it...
Ain't got no buck picks, I eat deer for food. Here's dinner tonight though
Jalapeno chili mac for dinner. No cast iron pipe or leaky white effluent included.... until tomorrow.
KABLAM! I feel sorry for the pipes in the head at work.
Yeah - hateful idiots here keep me from interacting. I only show up when I can help now.
This place is an asylum where the lunatics are allowed free reign. I stay in forums where people aren't allowed to attack others for no reason. I have a long list of folks on ignore here.
Lurking is probably best... for me at least.
Really glad your pipes are working. Put a 2 way cleanout by the house and another down by the road. Looks good ren - take care.
Yeah - hateful idiots here keep me from interacting. I only show up when I can help now.
This place is an asylum where the lunatics are allowed free reign. I stay in forums where people aren't allowed to attack others for no reason. I have a long list of folks on ignore here.
Lurking is probably best... for me at least.
Really glad your pipes are working. Put a 2 way cleanout by the house and another down by the road. Looks good ren - take care.
Yeah - hateful idiots here keep me from interacting. I only show up when I can help now.
This place is an asylum where the lunatics are allowed free reign. I stay in forums where people aren't allowed to attack others for no reason. I have a long list of folks on ignore here.
Lurking is probably best... for me at least.
Really glad your pipes are working. Put a 2 way cleanout by the house and another down by the road. Looks good ren - take care.
Appreciate you and 10gaugemag,s advice. And many others also.
Nothing wrong with picking guys brains that know way more. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Glad to be able to help. I wish we had 6 more inches though.
You should really ask the sanitary sewer people for your city if they have an as-built drawing for that sanitary sewer. If they do, we can calculate the grade at your tie in and be sure it's a straight shot.
Looking at higher flow toilets also. These 1.5 gal low flow suck azz...
For now. Replace wax rings on wensday. Clean out and snake the mains under the toilets into the house main. Can't hurt. 59 yr old cast iron pipes. Everything that flows into the main after the toilets has no issues. Those 3.5 to 4 ft L,s from the toilets gotta need a good snaking and run a hose down em.
Hydro blast service for 79 bucks in the next week or two needs to happen also.
You should really ask the sanitary sewer people for your city if they have an as-built drawing for that sanitary sewer. If they do, we can calculate the grade at your tie in and be sure it's a straight shot.
With the two way cleanouts at both ends they can hydroblast the whole thing next time it get's sludged up. They're 40 clams a pop at the lowes. Probably half that at the plumbing supply house.
Looking at higher flow toilets also. These 1.5 gal low flow suck azz...
For now. Replace wax rings on wensday. Clean out and snake the mains under the toilets into the house main. Can't hurt. 59 yr old cast iron pipes. Everything that flows into the main after the toilets has no issues. Those 3.5 to 4 ft L,s from the toilets gotta need a good snaking and run a hose down em.
Hydro blast service for 79 bucks in the next week or two needs to happen also.
Get city to jet the main in front of your house as well.
How many homes between the dead end manhole and the next downstream manhole?
You should really ask the sanitary sewer people for your city if they have an as-built drawing for that sanitary sewer. If they do, we can calculate the grade at your tie in and be sure it's a straight shot.
With the two way cleanouts at both ends they can hydroblast the whole thing next time it get's sludged up.
I know man.
Didn't put a clean out in at the street end. Later on this summer I'm gonna replace this old one by the house with a 2 way one like a member posted a pic of. Looked at em at lowes.
I just wanted to get stuff done per all the issues today and have it up and running way better.
Looking at higher flow toilets also. These 1.5 gal low flow suck azz...
For now. Replace wax rings on wensday. Clean out and snake the mains under the toilets into the house main. Can't hurt. 59 yr old cast iron pipes. Everything that flows into the main after the toilets has no issues. Those 3.5 to 4 ft L,s from the toilets gotta need a good snaking and run a hose down em.
Hydro blast service for 79 bucks in the next week or two needs to happen also.
Get city to jet the main in front of your house as well.
How many homes between the dead end manhole and the next downstream manhole?
[quote=renegade50]Looking at higher flow toilets also. These 1.5 gal low flow suck azz...
For now. Replace wax rings on wensday. Clean out and snake the mains under the toilets into the house main. Can't hurt. 59 yr old cast iron pipes. Everything that flows into the main after the toilets has no issues. Those 3.5 to 4 ft L,s from the toilets gotta need a good snaking and run a hose down em.
Hydro blast service for 79 bucks in the next week or two needs to happen also.
Get city to jet the main in front of your house as well.
How many homes between the dead end manhole and the next downstream manhole? 4 to 5 both sides of street going east down the street / ridge . Then makes a turn south down hill to bottom east west road.
Part of the neighborhood is on one L Part of neighborhood on other L
Tell the girls the new way of using the toiley is to turn the faucet on before they sit down and leave it on until they're cleaned up and ready to leave the bathroom.
And no grease of any sort down the drain. EVER. Let it cool and put it in a cheese puff container or a big creamer container or a soup can or whatever and then the trash can.
Tell the girls the new way of using the toiley is to turn the faucet on before they sit down and leave it on until they're cleaned up and ready to leave the bathroom.
And no grease of any sort down the drain. EVER.
That is a idea. But they don't listen.... 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️
When I was working on sewer lines and maintaining lift stations it would amaze me at the stuff we would find.
Some if it you wonder how in the hell it got in the system, some was normal stuff that people flush but had no business in the system.
Rubbers, magnetic numbers and letters kids stick on the fridge. Q tips, little cotton mice, plastic price tag hangers....you name it and it's probably been in the sewer system.
Worst thing is flushable wipes. Let those things layer up in the bottom of a wet well and they will suck up against the suction line and you can't get prime. Daycare close to a lift station was terrible about those things. My grandpa was bad about flushing them then wonder why my buddy would charge him $150 for an auger job and at times maybe more than once a month. Told him no flush, he says, well the package says flushable.
I once had a broken toilet in the ditch next to my old house, highway on S side of the yard. Had a schitty pair of boxers stuck in it.
Cousins boy once tried to get a bag of baby carrots to flush minus the bag, they didn't make it out of the toilet, stuck in the trap.
We had an old building that was used for Meals on Wheels, city owns it. A little 50 or 60 gallon wet well. Talk about a greasy bastard. I dumped a lot of chemical in there to keep things soft. Also made sure they used Dawn as much as possible.
I only had 2, maybe 3 small tanks. The rest were 2000 gallons plus.
Tell the girls the new way of using the toiley is to turn the faucet on before they sit down and leave it on until they're cleaned up and ready to leave the bathroom.
And no grease of any sort down the drain. EVER. Let it cool and put it in a cheese puff container or a big creamer container or a soup can or whatever and then the trash can.
I always wash and save any jars or containers with lids from stuff like pickles, peppers or mayo and the like. Any grease or other stuff that’s not good for the drain/septic systems goes in them. Put the lid on them and into the trash.
speaking of bad things for a sewer pipe and septic system, garbage disposal. actually worse for a septic system but still not friendly for a pipe without quite enough grade on it.
speaking of bad things for a sewer pipe and septic system, garbage disposal. actually worse for a septic system but still not friendly for a pipe without quite enough grade on it.
Especially, when the cat gets all the way in there, somehow.
My buddy works for the sewer department for a local city. He sends me pics of all sorts of awful stuff caught up in lift pump stations. Best pic was a wet station down line from a seedy motel. Thing was chaulk full of condoms. I told him "at least your pumps were well lubed"
Lol!!! Was wondering who that was that popped up as on Ignore.
KSMITH... Lol!!!
Have had him and other worthless ankle biters and scumball sockpuppets on ignore since last spring when I started the " pics or it never happened thread" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Denial of interaction, attention, any cred in their head is the ultimate jedi mind fuuuuk on those types.
Basically irrelevant posters that contribute nothing other than butthurt and grasping for interaction positive or negative from well known posters.
I don't put people on Ignore to ignore them. I do it to deny them relevance they think they get from taking on a well known poster. Basically punishment by denying them the engagement they seek.
" pics or it never happened" Maybe KSMITH will put some up of some Bucks he killed last season.
They all had their chance on that " pics or it never happened" scumball sockpuppet and ankle biters thread.
Still didn't happen from any of em... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bout it...
Yeah, I am on ignore yet you know everything I post and don't post.lol
Looks like you done a good job Ren with what you had to work with…
Ok, … my inane, totally non related drain line related story for the day…. A guy that I used to do some work on his heavy equipment owned a rental trailer down by the lake. He rented it out to an over the road truck driver and his stay at home wife. He kept having all sorts of issues with a clogged drain line.
He set up a time when the husband was going to be there to dig around with his backhoe and fix the issue once and for all. Like Renfiddy, he was just hoping to find the issue and deal with without replacing the entire thing. He dig a spot or two on the lower end with no issue so he was was working his way back towards the trailer as the couple was standing around just watching the show.
When he finally hit "pay dirt", schitt started flowing like an oil gusher. Steve said there must have been 100 condums boiled out on top the ground!! The truck driver knew they weren’t his! Steve said that’s just when the Show really got started!!
Did the best job I could for the day. Been running a hose slow and medium down it. Flushed toilets. They seemed to flow better.
Ran kitchen sink and both showers. Not getting any back flow with all that running.
Is what it is. Got a slight turn in the line at the house. But got it all flush bottom to bottom and snug around. and got that 1.5" I was robbed of back. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Did the best job I could for the day. Been running a hose slow and medium down it. Flushed toilets. They seemed to flow better.
Ran kitchen sink and both showers. Not getting any back flow with all that running.
Is what it is. Got a slight turn in the line at the house. But got it all flush bottom to bottom and snug around. and got that 1.5" I was robbed of back. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Who is Callie?
Wife's dead cat. Pet cemetery dogs and cats front. They all get buried facing the north star. Get a marker with their name and a kick azz arrowhead put on it.
Aside from that.
My 78 yr old neighbor across the street who has been coming over and talking to me while I been doing this.
Had a basement sink pipe rerouted and bypassed yesterday via simple pvc pipe with !@#% plumbing here in town.
He had to update me with his plumbing stuff of course..
Well this morning about 830 I see a codes truck on the next street down when I went outside. Hmmmmm. Hair on back of neck kinda standing up. start backfilling.
Khanarella was blowing up my phone unknown to me.
Codes trying to call her # on acvount and left msg.
Call her . Find out wtf....
2 and 2 together.
Old guy across street talking and giving away info to the 2 guys from !@&%# plumbing..
Get in touch with lady at codes. Thought I was gonna get read the riot act. She told their was a call in about a unpermited home owner sewer line repair.
(Thank you Mr neighbor for talking to the plumbers obviously)
She told me not to panic and I was entitled to do my own work per the proper permit process. I played dumb Indian the best I could.
Basically have to get licensed plumber and permit " after the fact" Told me to stop working. She said do you have pictures of everything you have done.
Yes ma'am I do. She said this will greatly help you out and you probably won't have to redig for a inspection. Permit is gonna cost 150. Gawd knows what the plumbers tech knowledge and admin is gonna cost.
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Slumlord put me in touch with a licensed plumber he went to high school with. Dude is coming out tommorow at 11.
So..... I'm pretty much gonna make a red baron pizza and then take a nap with the dogs....
And this is the point where I got shut down per ph call to lady at codes. 🤦♂️😖🤦♂️🤷♂️
Thanks old dude neighbor across the street talking to your plumbing guys letting the cat outta the bag on me. Cause that is the only way this lines up in my mind after 7 days. And then on day 8 you get your little sink fixed you said you ain't used in months. Then boom the day after I get the codes lady driving thru the neighborhood and have to call her.
If schit is gonna happen . It's gonna happen to me..... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ 😖😖😖 🤪🤪🤪
I buried a 2" PVC to run a 1" water line through, but I rented a trenching machine that looked line a huge chain saw. It would dig a 4.5" wide ditch up to 2.5' deep. That's the only way to go! It requires a truck with a receiver hitch to get it to the house. You could stand on the back of it and ride it backwards as it dug. 66 feet by 22 inches went fast.
Rene I have been following this thread and have enjoyed it up until the part about the damn neighbor. Just hope everything works out after all the hard work you have put in to this adventure.
Glad we don't have that. Once a home has been an existing home all repairs are grandfathered, even add one.
all of our counties around here even our let's just say redneck ones like Lawrence and Dade we have (supposed) to get repair permits been doing septic work.. cities with in town sewer systems all want to inspect repairs but may not require a $$ permit as such.
Just too coincidental for me for old cat to be talking to me for days. Then he decides to get his sink he ain't been using for 4 months fixed. To have some I got some plumbing done too cred.
$%@& plumbers Show up yesterday. It had to be those plumbers that called it in from what neighbor inadvertently was talking about to them. Not realizing he let the cat outta the bag on homie.
He didn't come out like usual the 3 hrs I got in this morning, then shut down outta the blue and put all my tools in the truck and cleaned up site best I could.
I'm not mad at him and will tell him how I think it all went down when he talks to me again. But I aint gonna approach him about it. He probably realized or is suspecting he gave out too much info talking and something happened.....
Pretty schitty if ya ask me that @$%& plumbers called codes based on what they heard from the neighbor. Almost professional Jealousy how dare a homeowner do that spite schit IMO....
Worst comes to worst. Mr city inspector rears his head.
OK.
That city sewer needs to get cored out 15 inches lower and whole city sewer line also on 175 of street to get me proper slope.
Or the city can install a grinder pump for my line per what I have researched for homes with issues just like my issue because it saves the city money due to your high placed manholes that don't allow homes to have proper slope on their sewer lines.
Worst comes to worst. Mr city inspector rears his head.
OK.
That city sewer needs to get cored out 15 inches lower and whole city sewer line also on 175 of street to get me proper slope.
Or the city can install a grinder pump for my line per what I have researched for homes with issues just like my issue because it saves the city money due to your high placed manholes that don't allow homes to have proper slope on their sewer lines.
Homie been researching Clarksvegas stuff....
we get into that all the time engineers plan it draw it up , City approves it inner structure crew build it installs everything to plan. then house gets built city inspector doesn't like something just like not enough follow the sewer makes them install a lift pump or cheap the plumbing as high as possible in the house to get enough fall and that just cost the new homeowner in the end... when in reality it was the engineers fault to start with and then the city for approving such plans without checking it out..
Shoooooo weeeee, they won’t want to do a low pressure E-One grinder.
I was project manager on the tail end of that goat screw when we sewer a whole subdivision with about 150 of em Them thangs was about $10,000 each.
Techy Blurb from city of Clarksville I read. About 250ish total homes they have to foot the bill, repair, replacement on that have grinders.
What happens when good Ole boy contractors and developers get areas approved to build on they shouldn't be building on. Per convo,s and kickbacks to and from their buds in clarksville.gov..
Worst comes to worst. Mr city inspector rears his head.
OK.
That city sewer needs to get cored out 15 inches lower and whole city sewer line also on 175 of street to get me proper slope.
Or the city can install a grinder pump for my line per what I have researched for homes with issues just like my issue because it saves the city money due to your high placed manholes that don't allow homes to have proper slope on their sewer lines.
Homie been researching Clarksvegas stuff....
we get into that all the time engineers plan it draw it up , City approves it inner structure crew build it installs everything to plan. then house gets built city inspector doesn't like something just like not enough follow the sewer makes them install a lift pump or cheap the plumbing as high as possible in the house to get enough fall and that just cost the new homeowner in the end... when in reality it was the engineers fault to start with and then the city for approving such plans without checking it out..
Throw in the good Ole boy factor also.... That is a huge part of it.
Slumlord has told me many stories of it in this town. If he wants to expound, but I wont..
Worst comes to worst. Mr city inspector rears his head.
OK.
That city sewer needs to get cored out 15 inches lower and whole city sewer line also on 175 of street to get me proper slope.
Or the city can install a grinder pump for my line per what I have researched for homes with issues just like my issue because it saves the city money due to your high placed manholes that don't allow homes to have proper slope on their sewer lines.
Homie been researching Clarksvegas stuff....
we get into that all the time engineers plan it draw it up , City approves it inner structure crew build it installs everything to plan. then house gets built city inspector doesn't like something just like not enough follow the sewer makes them install a lift pump or cheap the plumbing as high as possible in the house to get enough fall and that just cost the new homeowner in the end... when in reality it was the engineers fault to start with and then the city for approving such plans without checking it out..
Throw in the good Ole factor also.... That is a huge part of it.
Slumlord has told me many stories of it in this town. If he wants to expound, but I wont..
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Used to be bad around here. Has really changed a lot in the last 5 years. Some of it needed cleaned up but some stuff was fine left alone.
Worst comes to worst. Mr city inspector rears his head.
OK.
That city sewer needs to get cored out 15 inches lower and whole city sewer line also on 175 of street to get me proper slope.
Or the city can install a grinder pump for my line per what I have researched for homes with issues just like my issue because it saves the city money due to your high placed manholes that don't allow homes to have proper slope on their sewer lines.
Homie been researching Clarksvegas stuff....
we get into that all the time engineers plan it draw it up , City approves it inner structure crew build it installs everything to plan. then house gets built city inspector doesn't like something just like not enough follow the sewer makes them install a lift pump or cheap the plumbing as high as possible in the house to get enough fall and that just cost the new homeowner in the end... when in reality it was the engineers fault to start with and then the city for approving such plans without checking it out..
Throw in the good Ole factor also.... That is a huge part of it.
Slumlord has told me many stories of it in this town. If he wants to expound, but I wont..
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Used to be bad around here. Has really changed a lot in the last 5 years. Some of it needed cleaned up but some stuff was fine left alone.
Not just sewer related either.
in my way of thinking one of the things that has helped alleviate future problems have been when more people have got on board with developing subdivisions by a GPS systems. that takes a lot of the human factor out of mistakes that can be made or miscalculations with the standard transit and such. but the GPS coordinates and elevations are only as good as the people that enter it. and the people that generate the planning to start with (engineers) you know some of them guys even think the sewer needs to be below frost line I will just stop there...
Shoooooo weeeee, they won’t want to do a low pressure E-One grinder.
I was project manager on the tail end of that goat screw when we sewer a whole subdivision with about 150 of em Them thangs was about $10,000 each.
Techy Blurb from city of Clarksville I read. About 250ish total homes they have to foot the bill, repair, replacement on that have grinders.
What happens when good Ole boy contractors and developers get areas approved to build on they shouldn't be building on. Per convo,s and kickbacks to and from their buds in clarksville.gov..
Homeowners were entitled to only one year warranty after that initial intall
Swan Lake and Shady Bluff were retrofit jobs, more than 50% of the residents agreed to take on the sanitary sewer per the arrangement. Vast majority of septic systems had failed and when upon St B was annexed in 1989 THOSE home befell within the city limits of Clarksville. Was cheaper to install grinders and 2” forcemains rather that Gravity Sewer the sub basin.
New contruction, all are developed on the contractor dime, all utilities become ciity property after one year. The only thing we sort of had to ‘eat’ was a few impeller upgrades on the next downstream Lift Station. But that changed too. Contractors foot bill on all infrastructure now, there used to be a complicated Blue Coupon incentive but we put the kibosh on that from a previous mayoral regime.
Many big projects stalled at Hickory Wilds when the developer went bankrupt and coundnt swing $5 million wet well and LS. Much less 3 miles of forcemain
Another dragged out shîtshow was Liberty Park near 9Bravo. Took forever to sewer that. We had to buy out Woodlawn Water Dist due to goverences of municipal water laws. Dual utility district foot prints dont jive.
As for city padding any good ole boy stuff. We eat utiltites on Industrial
Hemlock Semiconductor was a kick in the balls with 5 MG water tower and 1mile of rail road spur and 24” ductile iron process water supply overland pipline
Neighbors ratted out grandma burning a old delapidated barn in the pouring down rain.Fire dept showed up and put out the flames gave her a talkin to.The next morning she torched it again 🤣🤣
Neighbors ratted out grandma burning a old delapidated barn in the pouring down rain.Fire dept showed up and put out the flames gave her a talkin to.The next morning she torched it again 🤣🤣
Lots of farmers in my area had falling down tobacco barns. County was still taxing them years after they stopped using them.
I understand there was a local "helper" that for a small fee would light a candle for the old barn. Didn't know date or time but it be done. Evidence of vagrants left behind for the fire dept. Screw the tax man.
Neighbors ratted out grandma burning a old delapidated barn in the pouring down rain.Fire dept showed up and put out the flames gave her a talkin to.The next morning she torched it again 🤣🤣
Lots of farmers in my area had falling down tobacco barns. County was still taxing them years after they stopped using them.
I understand there was a local "helper" that for a small fee would light a candle for the old barn. Didn't know date or time but it be done. Evidence of vagrants left behind for the fire dept. Screw the tax man.
Long time ago my grandfather had property with an old rental mobile home on it. Wasn't really worth much but the property tax assessor hit him on it. Raised taxes because it had a "home". He got pissed. Towed off/burnt down the home. Taxed went up again. Assessor said "You got rid of the eyesore, now its worth even more".
I've never ever ever seen him angry in my life - except when talking about that. Eventually he simply replaced the home with a better one and did okay but he was HOT.
You're neighbor is a stupid [bleep]. I think I have some roots or a collapsed line in my septic field, but we don't need a permit to repair in the county cause we all have tanks. Probably need one in city limits cause city sewer.
Neighbor drove by me about an hour ago. Didn't stop like usual like usual or park and get out to come over and talk
Oh well. Ain't mad at the dude if he approaches me and talks I'm gonna say ain't mad at ya , but those plumber guys obviously used what you was talking to them in general about and they did the deed not you, I'm sure you probably realized what they did after they left after they stewed on it and got their kicks from ratting me out. Just too coincidental..... 5 major planets lined up against homie I geuss...🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
See what happens tommorow when this cat shows up. Hopefully he can be like Mr Wolfe in pulp fiction and take care of things.
Mike Lyons wife used to see me out doing termite work. Kgunt would call the state on me (mysterious red truck doing what looks like termite control)
Fuggin Karen
Just because truck wasn’t decked out a giant bug on the roof like Dale on King of the Hill. Stupid bitch
Just some spite.....
Kinda what I think this was with some tee hee,s and ha ha,s after those 2 plumbers heard what the old guy was talking about. Letting the cat outta the bag and not realizing it until after.
You need to go talk to that old neighbor dude and tell him him everything is cool between you and him. Sounds like he has some remorse. And it sounds like to two get along pretty well.
Your probably right man. I see old cat tommorow , wave him down. And put him at ease about it. Who knows it might not have been him. Be able to tell by his mannerisms. He is a good guy actually. Probably one of the only neighbors I talk too. Has his 7 or 8 yr old grandson over alot. They practice chipping golf shots on his front lawn. Kid likes dogs also, he came over one day last summer asking about all the bricks on my front lawn. Gave him a tour about the pet cemetery told him all about the cats and dogs and the arrowheads on the bricks.
While it may very well be one of your neighbors that turned you in. Remember also that it's not just GPS imagery that cities are relying on to spot illegal construction, but have also turned to the use of commercial drones which gives better resolution and nearly instant updates. Could be that someone just spotted what you were doing from above.
They had a bitch deal for a while where they (Lowes) would only sell water heaters to licensed plumbers.
Glad that got squashed for now. I can see it coming back.
Maybe Alwaysoutdoors knows about Cheatham county. Those asshats have some aggressive permitting at one time. Making people pull permits to replace a roof, or haul in a shed, above ground pool,
While it may very well be one of your neighbors that turned you in. Remember also that it's not just GPS imagery that cities are relying on to spot illegal construction, but have also turned to the use of commercial drones which gives better resolution and nearly instant updates. Could be that someone just spotted what you were doing from above.
Phil
Well on the imagery
I can tell you we only got flown about every 2-3 years and required arm twisting.
6” GCR, with the accompanying LiDar package was $125,000 just for city tiles.
While it may very well be one of your neighbors that turned you in. Remember also that it's not just GPS imagery that cities are relying on to spot illegal construction, but have also turned to the use of commercial drones which gives better resolution and nearly instant updates. Could be that someone just spotted what you were doing from above.
We were just getting a drone in that office, my bud that flies it damn sure wouldn’t share it with Codes.
Codes mainly does garbage, junk cars and pit bulls. Someone really got a nut up on a plumbing insp. Likely just Suzie running around burning gas looking at residual tree cleanup. Hello mcFly we had 79 mph winds 2 weeks ago while yall were sucking pancakes in “Boysee”
Aint not mfker flyijg a goddamm drone looking at Ren50’s 25ft trench.
We only used our drone looking for assets in overgrown areas or ARV on pipelines going thru muddy shîthole swamps
Way behind the times, its common practice now, and cost is down to around $200 to $300 an hour, and the low level video is crystal clear. Don't need a plane with LiDar, they even sell computer programs to download and compare with previous video. Cities have been taking advantage of it for a long while now.
I could certainly see the application of a small in house craft doing a post dig master plan site. And seaming that merge in with the whole main county.
We had an in house surveyor too to take many, many control shots to georeference our flaky as builts the private contractors were dumping off. We had to do a lot of in person reconciliation with our Lecia robot
While it may very well be one of your neighbors that turned you in. Remember also that it's not just GPS imagery that cities are relying on to spot illegal construction, but have also turned to the use of commercial drones which gives better resolution and nearly instant updates. Could be that someone just spotted what you were doing from above.
Phil
Well on the imagery
I can tell you we only got flown about every 2-3 years and required arm twisting.
6” GCR, with the accompanying LiDar package was $125,000 just for city tiles.
Photogrammetry is flown not Sat
Slum don't grace this azzwhole with a serious response. He's a fuggin jerkoff
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Still can't believe you have to pay a plumber if it was done correctly. What about home owner rights in Tenn? No owner/builder stipulations? Hell, I can wire my own electrical panels as long as it's my property and I get it inspected.
While it may very well be one of your neighbors that turned you in. Remember also that it's not just GPS imagery that cities are relying on to spot illegal construction, but have also turned to the use of commercial drones which gives better resolution and nearly instant updates. Could be that someone just spotted what you were doing from above.
Phil
Well on the imagery
I can tell you we only got flown about every 2-3 years and required arm twisting.
6” GCR, with the accompanying LiDar package was $125,000 just for city tiles.
Photogrammetry is flown not Sat
Slum don't grace this azzwhole with a serious response. He's a fuggin jerkoff
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Still can't believe you have to pay a plumber if it was done correctly. What about home owner rights in Tenn? No owner/builder stipulations? Hell, I can wire my own electrical panels as long as it's my property and I get it inspected.
Exactly.
I was told by the lady as I posted she said someone called in a unpermited home owner sewer line repair. The only person I had talked to was my neighbor who was coming over .
Told him about the 3 quotes and how I had a budget between 200 to 400 doing it myself.
Obviously too me he was talking casual convo to #$%@ plumbers and inadvertently let the cat outta the bag. And the next morning I got called in because #$%# plumbers called codes the afternoon prior. I knew when I seen a codes truck on the next street down when I came outside to start. I was probably pegged. IMO she could have at least knocked on the door or left a hanger motice on the door knob. But of course that would require face to face human interaction and this day and age, that is uncomfortable for many and a easy way out. It's easier to be faceless than be seen as the bad guy. Whatever.....
Is what it is . Now I gotta correct it which will probably involve me digging out the back fill I put in and exposing the gravel on top of the pipe so whomever can confirm slope and pop the manhole to see flow coming outta the house. Digging up the back fill I have put in will be easy anyways. Exposing the top of the pipe from the gravel. Brush it aside with my hand. Weigh down the pipe with cinder blocks to keep the pipe from popping if trench fills up with rain to prevent side gravel from falling in under it and fuuking up the slope bedding. Find out more when licensed plumber dude comes over at 11 today. 🤷♂️
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Still can't believe you have to pay a plumber if it was done correctly. What about home owner rights in Tenn? No owner/builder stipulations? Hell, I can wire my own electrical panels as long as it's my property and I get it inspected.
Exactly.
I was told by the lady as I posted she said someone called in a unpermited home owner sewer line repair. The only person I had talked to was my neighbor who was coming over .
Told him about the 3 quotes and how I had a budget between 200 to 400 doing it myself.
Obviously too me he was talking casual convo to #$%@ plumbers and inadvertently let the cat outta the bag. And the next morning I got called in because #$%# plumbers called codes the afternoon prior. I knew when I seen a codes truck on the next street down when I came outside to start. I was probably pegged. IMO she could have at least knocked on the door or left a hanger motice on the door knob. But of course that would require face to face human interaction and this day and age, that is uncomfortable for many and a easy way out. It's easier to be faceless than be seen as the bad guy. Whatever.....
Is what it is . Now I gotta correct it which will probably involve me digging out the back fill I put in and exposing the gravel on top of the pipe so whomever can confirm slope and pop the manhole to see flow coming outta the house. Digging up the back fill I have put in will be easy anyways. Exposing the top of the pipe from the gravel. Brush it aside with my hand. Weigh down the pipe with cinder blocks to keep the pipe from popping if trench fills up with rain to prevent side gravel from falling in under it and fuuking up the slope bedding. Find out more when licensed plumber dude comes over at 11 today. 🤷♂️
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Maybe just show the top of the pipe in a few holes? And you got pics it was done right.
I had to uncover the top of a septic tank and a few holes over the line from the house to tank not the whole run of pipe. Wanted a repair permit to add a new tank and run washing machine water only to old tank. The guy I hired to set new tank and field only waited a few minutes for inspector. This county was known for hard azz's so I just rolled over and called them first, when guy came out he started off all jacked up, thought I wanted permit to use old tank and field. He calmed down quick when I told him I called them out to make sure I do it right and get plan for new tank/field OK'd. He went out of his way to help after that.
I don't think they care so much about straight up repairs like R-50 is doing.
On hold till Monday when he can get the permit. Per his scheduling and things he has going on family wise over weekend. No biggie..
Sent one of his guys over , we walked the line per some live time screen with him on dudes smart phone. Talked about what I did. Said I waaaay exceeded anything codes or what alot would ever do in town per my gravel bedding.
Told me to relax, no big deal gotta check the block admin wise. Told me to uncover last section of pipe and do my best to not disturb my gravel bedding under it per the slope I got now, which his guy told him was GTG flow wise. Said do the digging sat or sun when code nazi,s are not around. Told him how I thought I got dailed in. He got a chuckle out of that.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️👍🏻🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Bout it on the sewer pipe saga for now.
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
They wanted a piece of my azz real bad.
Fuuuka,s running air recon like they are looking for missiles in Cuba.
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
They wanted a piece of my azz real bad.
That’s unfreaking real
Serious Big Brother Crap for sure.
I've been told by folks in the know (real estate and others) around here that our local code dude for Modoc County CA is based in ......................... Kentucky or TN or some scheidt.
We're allowed non-permit sheds less than 120 sq ft, 10x12 max. Dude can figure if one puts up a bigger one by the roof size on aerial or sat pics. Lotta folks around here just have numerous smaller sheds.
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
They wanted a piece of my azz real bad.
That’s unfreaking real
Serious Big Brother Crap for sure.
I've been told by folks in the know (real estate and others) around here that our local code dude for Modoc County CA is based in ......................... Kentucky or TN or some scheidt.
We're allowed non-permit sheds less than 120 sq ft, 10x12 max. Dude can figure if one puts up a bigger one by the roof size on aerial or sat pics. Lotta folks around here just have numerous smaller sheds.
Earth and other means are how a lot of guys can measure gutters and siding for estimates without ever leaving the office.
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
They wanted a piece of my azz real bad.
Fuuuka,s running air recon like they are looking for missiles in Cuba.
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Tax dollas at work mean while the southern border is being invaded by fugking Chinese
Let's be real. A neighbor turned Ren in. It wasn't a drone. Or code guy got lucky cruising the street or having an inspection on that route.
Funny you mention the drone thing.
My county goes total nazi, they took these shots from a airplane when I was doing exactly the same job on a old house I was flipping. They captured me, my laborer, and my truck and dumpbed trailer as we were shoveling a sand bed into my open trench.
I was hid pretty good tucked in tight beside the house on a private road to boot.
They wanted a piece of my azz real bad.
Freaking Nazi brown shirt bastards. Saving the world one citation at a time. Unbelievable
Renegade….Your suspicion about the plumbers ratting you out is 100% spot on and while I don’t know for sure I’d put $1,000 down that says the plumbers ratted you out! When my brother started his contracting business he dealt with the same type of bullshit. Tradesmen can be the biggest, whiny little bitches alive. The lazy bitches would rather spend their days calling Olympia and trying to cause trouble rather than actually do what they’re licensed to do like plumbing, electrical, etc. My brother was a totally by the book kinda guy but that didn’t prevent hassles. Electricians and plumbers that didn’t get the job were often responsible as were a few bitches that we came to find out did that to EVERY new contractor. They were able to look up new Washington state businesses online and they simply filed complaints based on nothing…nothing but lies anyway. It was a real eye opener for me. I couldn’t believe that was how some “guys” operated as a normal business practice. Instead of doing the work they played victim. Guys from 250 miles away filing complaints that are based solely on fantasy as a way of “competing”…
My brother was so incredibly busy and it quickly became apparent as to why he was so successful….the trades are populated by a lot of incredibly stupid, immature, lazy, dishonest dick heads. There are also some great and talented professionals in the trades too but they are outnumbered by drunken dolts.
Plumber problem solver slumlord told me to call will be here tommorow. Clean the areas he said needed to be seen and accessed to today. Of course the rain Friday sprung about 6 to 8ft of pipe I had buried and made gravel shift under it.
Codes said I could only do this today uncover pipe in prep for tommorow, even though permit ain't gonna be had till tomorrow.
Kinda ironic they shut me down Tuesday for no permit , but yet allow me to dig with none today...
Thankful, because it saves me time and paying the plumber dude to be on that portion of job I'm guessing.
Everything goes right ....... Inspector will be here between noon to 1 to tell me to back fill it.
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Bane of my existence.
Storms Friday and floating pipe springing pipe and settling gravel. Unfugging that with cinder blocks all day friday and overnight to keep flow going out of the house.
Flow is fuuuugging excellent now and toilets work properly.. Has been since I reset the slope and pipe early Tuesday morning before I got shut down.
Homie is tired of dirt dirt schittt to say the least. Considering this coulda all been done by Tuesday afternoon... Till peckersaurus Rex plumbers that the neighbor had over Monday to fix his sink dailed my azz in too codes...
Homie is tired of dirt dirt schittt to say the least. Considering this coulda all been done by Tuesday afternoon... Till peckersaurus Rex plumbers that the neighbor had over Monday to fix his sink dailed my azz in too codes...
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That would be very frustrating to say the least. 😡
Did the codes guy come and tell you that you've done everything wrong, and then leave yet?
Nope!!!! I passed inspection!!!! Flooded pipe flow test thingamabob. And assembly visual inspection.
Wait for plumber guy to come back and glue in this end clean out. Put height extension house side clean out. Glued in 2 repair joints where I used fernco,s. Stuff he said I wouida had to install to pass inspection anyways. Codes guy seen the 42 start to finish pics. Said gravel was primo in trench for slope in fuuuked up clay rock filled soil. He got some chuckles out of my pics and the BS I was encountering.. 🥴🥴😖😖🤣😖😖🥴🥴
331 bucks with 50 dollar permit and tax included. Puts me just under 500 total into project. Saved 2200 basically from the lowest 2700 bid. 🤷♂️🤷♂️😖😖😖🤷♂️🤷♂️
Was here for 3 hrs , then had to go to another job. Just texted him. Should be here by 3 . Broke my shovel this morning setting gravel under it for bedding
Get a new one after end clean out is buttoned up and start backfilling... Finish prep of side walk ground work. Try and set my side walk tommorow.
You ain't got a half dozen other shovels around? I know they may not be you favorite short, D handle one, but sheesh. It's just a backfill job. Get you a new shorty one after you're done and had some Vienna Sausages or such for your well deserved break.
You ain't got a half dozen other shovels around? I know they may not be you favorite short, D handle one, but sheesh. It's just a backfill job. Get you a new shorty one after you're done and had some Vienna Sausages or such for your well deserved break.
I got a flat 14" wide edge d handle. Homie ain't gonna fight that. That's for our killa TN snowmageddon events🥴🤪🤣 Homie needs a nice d handle spade to do dirt dirt.
All that just to pay a $50 tax for digging in your yard.
Yep.... 🤦♂️🤦♂️😖😖🤦♂️🤦♂️ And a licensed plumber is gonna charge ya at least 1 hour of their rate to get that permit also I imagine. Even if you do 100% of the work.
April 5th Homie is getting the 59 yr old jointed and sagging , rust puking and toilet paper and turd hanging cast iron main from under both toilets and out the house to fixed sewer line done. All super Mario Brothers bullschit galvanized pipe into pvc cluster [bleep] from both showers and sinks in bathrooms redone with pvc into new pvc main. These plumbers say they can get me 2 to 3 more inches of slope with the new system inside house to sewer line. And maybe a inch at the foundation going into house side clean out.
More slope Faster flow and push thru shallow sewer line to manhole.
1 day job 3 man crew from Ben Franklin. 3614.00
Lowest quote . Some didn't even wanna touch the job..
Homie gonna have smooth pvc and them turds gonna flow.
Did the codes guy come and tell you that you've done everything wrong, and then leave yet?
Nope!!!! I passed inspection!!!! Flooded pipe flow test thingamabob. And assembly visual inspection.
Wait for plumber guy to come back and glue in this end clean out. Put height extension house side clean out. Glued in 2 repair joints where I used fernco,s. Stuff he said I wouida had to install to pass inspection anyways. Codes guy seen the 42 start to finish pics. Said gravel was primo in trench for slope in fuuuked up clay rock filled soil. He got some chuckles out of my pics and the BS I was encountering.. 🥴🥴😖😖🤣😖😖🥴🥴
331 bucks with 50 dollar permit and tax included. Puts me just under 500 total into project. Saved 2200 basically from the lowest 2700 bid. 🤷♂️🤷♂️😖😖😖🤷♂️🤷♂️
Was here for 3 hrs , then had to go to another job. Just texted him. Should be here by 3 . Broke my shovel this morning setting gravel under it for bedding
Get a new one after end clean out is buttoned up and start backfilling... Finish prep of side walk ground work. Try and set my side walk tommorow.
And here endeth the lesson. Pics or it never happened. Thanks Professor Rene
It's getting their. Homie using the lever and fulcrum and block up till ergo advantage and gravity worked to get blocks up on other blocks in prep for 2 man lift shuffle step/breaks into place then pull ropes out once set.
Get this front part of trench filled and lawn " cleaned up" Then look at easy house side trench after. Maybe in the morning for that and then set the side walk.
Homie ain't killing himself. Plenty of breaks.. Work till 5... Maybe 3...
Nope... Just under 500 Including the permit and plumber work yesterday Told Khanarella 200 to 400. And up to codes per new stuff plumber did.
Saved 2200 off the lowest bid.... And I know the bedding and slope is done my way, right, and not layed down in bullschit red clay and called good enough. And passed inspection. Even plumbers and code guys says no one beds in gravel. They just lay it in the trench and get flow. Thats why I encountered all the bullschit in this trench to make the pipe flow . Half azzed lazy schit work .... But they allow bullschitt work per codes it seems....
So the ferncos in the ditch were a no go? I wouldn’t have used them there either. Rather then try and reset the original slab section I think I would consider just forming up a small hand mix and screed in a bag or two of pea gravel on top to match what you have as best I could… but you know what they say about opinions!!
Cantilever over that pipe with the section cuts on about 1 to 3° Push weight to ends. Use gravel to get slope and a couple of peices off steel to run about 8 inches away along side pipe to get the 1 to 3 ° Should have about 3 inches above pipe from bottom of slabs.
Like I said earlier ferncos are as handy as pockets on a shirt, but there are places they don’t belong. I’ll tell you what I have done before fixing an in the ditch plastic pipe. Cut a section of pipe to butt directly end to end with the existing pipe on both ends. Then I’ve taken a Drexel tool and shaved out the ridge in the center of two pvc coupleings and slide them up on the existing pipe on both sides, drop in the replacement piece and glue the hell out of them and slide the couplings 1/2 way back over the new spliced piece… it works like a charm man! Glad you’er getting to the end of it,.. it’s almost turkey season!!
Better question may be would you do it again, for a stranger, for the lowest estimate received?
That too.
Just wondering.
WTF are you 2 smoking????🥴🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do my own work. Fuuk anyone else. Dirt Dirt schit sucks....
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I said this waaay back.
Got a big tax bill coming up for Honk for Joey and pray for fuuuking Ukraine.
Doing this offsets spending more than I need too.
Not intended as an insult Ren, more of a general observation RE: quotes and folks in general (not necessarily you) being gobsmacked at prices. If you can do it and save the money go forth and prosper. Lotta folks get a quote, say I can do it, find they can't and do it half ass or pay to have it finished. You found some historical evidence of that in the sh*t pipe trench.
Better question may be would you do it again, for a stranger, for the lowest estimate received?
That too.
Just wondering.
WTF are you 2 smoking????🥴🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do my own work. Fuuk anyone else. Dirt Dirt schit sucks....
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I said this waaay back.
Got a big tax bill coming up for Honk for Joey and pray for fuuuking Ukraine.
Doing this offsets spending more than I need too.
Not intended as an insult Ren, more of a general observation RE: quotes and folks in general (not necessarily you) being gobsmacked at prices. If you can do it and save the money go forth and prosper. Lotta folks get a quote, say I can do it, find they can't and do it half ass or pay to have it finished. You found some historical evidence of that in the sh*t pipe trench.
I know man... Why I asked WTF you was smoking. 🤪🤪🤣🤪🤪
have done before fixing an in the ditch plastic pipe. Cut a section of pipe to butt directly end to end with the existing pipe on both ends. Then I’ve taken a Drexel tool and shaved out the ridge in the center of two pvc coupleings and slide them up on the existing pipe on both sides, drop in the replacement piece and glue the hell out of them and slide the couplings 1/2 way back over the new spliced piece… it works like a charm
My goodness, It’s called a repair coupling, very commonly available anywhere,
The ridge you cut out, Repair couplings have no ridge…….
And it’s not a ‘ridge’, let’s call it a ‘stop’ from now on ok?
Todays lesson, couplings can be bought with a ‘stop” or without a ‘stop’……..
have done before fixing an in the ditch plastic pipe. Cut a section of pipe to butt directly end to end with the existing pipe on both ends. Then I’ve taken a Drexel tool and shaved out the ridge in the center of two pvc coupleings and slide them up on the existing pipe on both sides, drop in the replacement piece and glue the hell out of them and slide the couplings 1/2 way back over the new spliced piece… it works like a charm
My goodness, It’s called a repair coupling, very commonly available anywhere,
The ridge you cut out, Repair couplings have no ridge…….
And it’s not a ‘ridge’, let’s call it a ‘stop’ from now on ok?
Todays lesson, couplings can be bought with a ‘stop” or without a ‘stop’……..
Killing me here smalls………..
You can call it anything you want to skippy, I call it taking what you have on hand and making it work to fix the issue. And work it does, very well. YMMV
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