Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Americans Will Do Anything To Avoid The Metric System.

Unless the hunting is for men! They seem to do quite well in that environment!

1/3 MOA! Laugh my ass off!

It might have taken a second. I did not have to look up any conversion factors, as I learned in High School Chem class at age fifteen that 1 calorie heats one gram of water one degree.

I would have to start with Google to do the English conversion. Hell, it would be easiest to convert the water mass and temperature change to metric.

We all know your "Man Hunting" happens at the local dive gay bar.

The Campfire is a family forum and here such things are frowned apon.

Now if you have a picture or 2 of good results from normal hunting done with mils/metric feel free to post it up.

Keep it family friendly, pervert.

Interesting (not) how your fantasies always run to the homosexual. "Not that there's anything wrong with that" (cough).

Never claimed to have the honor of Service with armed forces. Just pointing out the fallacy and ridiculous nature of your post.

US Army, Marines, and SEALS been getting it done with mils for decades.

You may be too stupid to make the transition from English to Metric. That does not mean we all are.

I have pics of me with dead critters from the age of 6 through 60. But I sure as hell am not going to go to the effort to digitize, find a hosting site, and hang 'em here for the likes of your self aggrandizing ass.

That's a lot of words to just say you have never had any good results hunting with Metric/Mils optics.

A few have, most, like you, have not.

MOA optics simply rule in delivering good hunting results.

This is NOT true anymore. I have worked on 100's of federal highway, levee, and airport projects for the federal govt. for over 20 years.... For quite a few years it was mandated by the feds in an attempt to get everyone to convert but it all ended around 2010 if I recall. If any project had federal funds tied to it, it was the rule. I have not seen any plans in metric in at least 10 years..... it was a pain in the azz converting back and forth.....also considering we already are constantly converting inches to engineers scale, adding one more was even more confusing.

I had no issues with it..... it's just a standard 100 scale like engineers scale or counting money. The decimal (100 scale ) is a must for doing percentages of grade.... we don't grade a road like a roof 1in 4 etc..... lol. We do 2% crosslopes..... run sewer lines at .00385% etc. The issue is that material suppliers work in inches... the gps in the Blade works on engineers scale and the plans are in metric..... too much converting back in forth led to too many mistakes..... Just stick with one or another and be done with it.

The metric system is based on a certain fraction of the speed of light, a constant, not old arbitrary made up measurements like other systems. It should be the world's standard. But people are most comfortable using what they were taught when they were young, myself included. Our science teachers tried to teach us the metric system when I was in school in the 70s and early 80s with varying success. Some people have poor understanding of mathematics in general. Unfortunately I am one of them and I did poorly learning metric, my understanding of it is rudimentary at best. The USA should have went ahead with the changeover during the 1970's, fifty years of accommodation would have been done and everyone would have been used to metric and comfortable with it by now. It will probably never happen because of all the "we're great and superior" jingoism. Maybe better anyways at least in my lifetime, I'm too old to learn it now.

Back in the late 60's, when I started surveying, I was told that only whores and carpenters dealt in inches. Years later when I took over a crew doing bridge surveys, I learned different. Some bridges were scheduled to be widened instead of replaced, and I had to measure the substructure in feet and inches, to see if "as built" matched the plans. Then some time later, we started measuring in metric. At one time I had all of the equipment in my trucks to measure in metric, feet and tenths, and feet and inches. Problem was most of my crew could not read a tape of any one of those. I was alwas hearing it is x number of feet so many inches and three of those other marks. Problem was some tapes were in eighths and some in sixteenth's, so then I had to ask which tape they had. I did on bridge on hwy 70 in east Arkansas three times. First time was feet and tenths, with a chain, in a book. The second time was metric in a data collector, and using an EDM to measure,and then we quit metric and instead of converting the data I went back and did it again using a data collector, and EDM in feet and tenths. miles

My specs call for widths of 12.91", 18.1" or 6.80"...
We measure with a Stanley tape.
Pisses me off, engineering is so lazy we don't even have a tolerance range
for that customer.

So, I'm all squinty eyed trying to see the edge of a piece of ground steel against a tape,
"Just a smidge under an eighth".
Trying to get it perfect when you can't even measure perfect.

That Dutch Fahrenheit guy set the freezing temperature of salt water in the bay near where he lived as “0”, the “32” and “212” things came about quite arbitrarily based upon how he set the marks on the glass thermometers he made.

The coolest thing about the Imperial system is that a “mile” come from the Latin root word “mil” ie. 1,000.

A Roman “mil” was one thousand paces. A pace is different from a step. A step is moving either foot, a pace is every time the same foot hits the ground (the marching cadence “left…. left…..” is paces, the “left, right, left” part is steps).

Posts designating mils, or thousand paces, were set up on Roman roads, a tradition we continue with mile markers today.

Other than that, IIRC in the Imperial System distance was based on body parts. When ya don’t have standardized rulers or tape ya use what ya got.

The yard was a measure of cloth, the motion of pulling it from a roll in a motion similar to drawing a bow.

“Feet” is self-explanatory but again IIRC an “inch” was based on the middle section on the index finger.

I’m guessing it was King James, who standardized the English Bible and English dictionary who standardized the Imperial system.

All the explanations and support for metric, I don’t see how it will change a damn thing. A bridge is built to cross a gap and who cares how far it is, it is a distance that is finite and meters won’t make the bridge any better.

Easier is a mindset and there are still people that wear analog watches to tell time. If you wear a digital watch, you still have to convert to analog in your mind to relate to the time of day. Who cares, it is not going to change because someone wants an easier way to tell time…

My favorite rifle caliber is a 9.3mm. Does that count? I'd say it makes me a metric fan.

Who really benefited from all this SAE/Metric stuff?
Tool manufacturers.

Snap-On at 120 a week from now till death....

The argument for metric has always revolved around the arbitrary beginnings of the standardization for imperial units. It's pretty moot now because both metric and imperial measurements are standardized and controlled to very tight standards both equal. Metric has it's place. One thing is for sure, discussion always gets spirited between the two proponents. Support for metric is near nonexistent in most areas around my little part of the world. If I have to work with metric I can but I have to convert to decimal which is how I measure.

A British thermal unit (Btu) is a measure of the heat content of fuels or energy sources. It is the quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of one pound of liquid water by 1 degree Fahrenheit at the temperature that water has its greatest density (approximately 39 degrees Fahrenheit).



The cooling for the diesel engine in this vehicle was calculated with British thermal units, pencil, paper, and slide rules at paccar in Renton WA.

We may as well get used to it, it's here to stay.

This whole threads reminds me of ancient film clip of 100 year old veterans shaking hands at Gettysburg in the 1920s

Well Ezekiel… nothin left to do but cry

In my long-ago youth, I thought that people who spoke foreign languages had to mentally convert what they heard into English before they could understand what was said. (I still think so.)