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The name calling and insults from both sides do nothing for either side but provoke hard feelings.
I am a Christian. That is my choice and I am not afraid to state it but I have not played the bad mouthing game and I will not stupe to that level.
Don't believe there is a God, that is your choice and if you were a neighbor we could still be friend without even bringing the subject up. I see no advantage to stupe to the pit this thread has become.
Grow up guys.
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The name calling and insults from both sides do nothing for either side but provoke hard feelings.
I am a Christian. That is my choice and I am not afraid to state it but I have not played the bad mouthing game and I will not stupe to that level.
Don't believe there is a God, that is your choice and if you were a neighbor we could still be friend without even bringing the subject up. I see no advantage to stupe to the pit this thread has become.
Grow up guys. I don't want any part of it. Never did. I found that if you don't sling it back it just emboldens the good Christians to apply even more pressure. A free license to insult and ridicule anyone daring to offer another perspective. The aim is to discourage questioning and debate and run the 'offenders off the site.'
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The first time I shot myself in the head...
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There are plenty of Christians that have stitched so much onto Jesus that he wouldn't recognize himself. Yourself included? Maybe so, but I try to stick to what Jesus himself declared about himself and his purpose and filter out that that doesn't jive. Also I accept the genealogy of Jesus in Matthew which clearly lists Joseph as Jesus father and traces him back to David through Solomon. Interestingly there were 2 non Jewish women in Jesus' ancestry. Rahab and Ruth. We have nothing written by Jesus. Everything was written decades after the described events. Probably so but most of what we have on say Alexander the Great was written by someone else later. With written history just like any story it's a good idea to look for discrepancies. Sure, but having multiple independent lines of evidence helps to determine what happened in that time and place. There is not much doubt that there was a conqueror by the name of Alexander of Macedon, son of Philip who carved out an empire.
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We have nothing written by Jesus. Everything was written decades after the described events. Probably so but most of what we have on say Alexander the Great was written by someone else later. With written history just like any story it's a good idea to look for discrepancies. Intersting information....Alexander the Great was an ancient Macedonian ruler and one of history’s greatest military minds...By 323 B.C., Alexander was head of an enormous empire and had recovered from the devastating loss of his friend Hephaestion—who was also reputed to be one of Alexander’s homosexual male lovers. Thanks to his insatiable urge for world supremacy, he started plans to conquer Arabia. But he’d never live to see it happen. After surviving battle after fierce battle, Alexander the Great died in June 323 B.C. at age 32. Sources Alexander the Great. Ancient History Encyclopedia. Alexander the Great. Livius.org. Alexander the Great of Macedon Biography. Historyofmacedonia.org. Alexander of Macedonia. San Jose State University. Bucephalus. Ancient History Encyclopedia.
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Our best surviving historical narrative of the life of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death. And nobody doubts the accuracy of it.
Historical narratives of the lives of people from ancient history are still being written to this very day. And nobody doubts the accuracy of em’.
The historical documents that comprise the New Testament were written by people who were eyewitness to the events, or by people who thoroughly investigated and interviewed the eyewitnesses to the events.
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There is not much doubt that there was a conqueror by the name of Alexander of Macedon, son of Philip who carved out an empire. Yeah but you can’t prove it. By your “reasoning” he didn’t exist because you are relying on the words of other people from hundreds and hundreds of years ago….prove it or you are simply parroting bullshit from unreliable distant sources.
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Our best surviving historical narrative of the life of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death. And nobody doubts the accuracy of it.
Historical narratives of the lives of people from ancient history are still being written to this very day. And nobody doubts the accuracy of em’.
The historical documents that comprise the New Testament were written by people who were eyewitness to the events, or by people who thoroughly investigated and interviewed the eyewitnesses to the events. Narratives and especially "manifestos" differ. The Christian/God narrative isnt the atheist narrative. It is never incumbent upon people of Faith to prove there is a Creator. It is incumbent upon people to disprove the existence of a Creator/Creation relationship by explaining exactly where everything that is matter within the universe came from if not from that Creator.... to say nothing of a limitless universe that Creation resides within. Science has yet to satisfy that as I see it. Simply claiming God doesnt exist , is pretty much just a contrary opinion , without the proof.
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Our best surviving historical narrative of the life of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death. And nobody doubts the accuracy of it.
Historical narratives of the lives of people from ancient history are still being written to this very day. And nobody doubts the accuracy of em’.
The historical documents that comprise the New Testament were written by people who were eyewitness to the events, or by people who thoroughly investigated and interviewed the eyewitnesses to the events. Talking snakes, talking donkeys, walking on water, resurrection....fable level material.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Our best surviving historical narrative of the life of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death. And nobody doubts the accuracy of it.
Historical narratives of the lives of people from ancient history are still being written to this very day. And nobody doubts the accuracy of em’.
The historical documents that comprise the New Testament were written by people who were eyewitness to the events, or by people who thoroughly investigated and interviewed the eyewitnesses to the events. Narratives and especially "manifestos" differ. The Christian/God narrative isnt the atheist narrative. It is never incumbent upon people of Faith to prove there is a Creator. It is incumbent upon people to disprove the existence of a Creator/Creation relationship by explaining exactly where everything that is matter within the universe came from if not from that Creator.... to say nothing of a limitless universe that Creation resides within. Science has yet to satisfy that as I see it. Simply claiming God doesnt exist , is pretty much just a contrary opinion , without the proof. Don't know what rock you've been hiding under but science has displaced god in many of the tales in the good book of fables. Man created god and now he/she/they/it is in the process of being rescinded - not by force but by natural selection.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Our best surviving historical narrative of the life of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death. And nobody doubts the accuracy of it.
Historical narratives of the lives of people from ancient history are still being written to this very day. And nobody doubts the accuracy of em’.
The historical documents that comprise the New Testament were written by people who were eyewitness to the events, or by people who thoroughly investigated and interviewed the eyewitnesses to the events. Narratives and especially "manifestos" differ. The Christian/God narrative isnt the atheist narrative. It is never incumbent upon people of Faith to prove there is a Creator. It is incumbent upon people to disprove the existence of a Creator/Creation relationship by explaining exactly where everything that is matter within the universe came from if not from that Creator.... to say nothing of a limitless universe that Creation resides within. Science has yet to satisfy that as I see it. Simply claiming God doesnt exist , is pretty much just a contrary opinion , without the proof. Don't know what rock you've been hiding under but science has displaced god in many of the tales in the good book of fables. Man created god and now he/she/they/it is in the process of being rescinded - not by force but by natural selection. You do realize that you are an azzhole right maumserand9mm? You have been blathering on and on and on and on! Do you actually think that any of your posts will ever make us Christians change our belief system, because of your constant assault on the bible? If you think that your posts will make the slightest difference in how we think and comport ourselves, you are sadly mistaken. Go hump a Kangaroo. KB
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Once again the atheists are put in the position of proving a negative which in this case cannot be done. Not endorsing atheism at all but in most cases a negative cannot be proved.
And all the faith in the world by and of believers absent physical proof is not going to change them.
A lot of what I read here written by Jesus' friends could certainly reinforce an atheist's skepticism.
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I am having a hard time figuring out why my beliefs of God hurts some non believers.
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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Our best surviving historical narrative of the life of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death. And nobody doubts the accuracy of it.
Historical narratives of the lives of people from ancient history are still being written to this very day. And nobody doubts the accuracy of em’.
The historical documents that comprise the New Testament were written by people who were eyewitness to the events, or by people who thoroughly investigated and interviewed the eyewitnesses to the events. Narratives and especially "manifestos" differ. The Christian/God narrative isnt the atheist narrative. It is never incumbent upon people of Faith to prove there is a Creator. It is incumbent upon people to disprove the existence of a Creator/Creation relationship by explaining exactly where everything that is matter within the universe came from if not from that Creator.... to say nothing of a limitless universe that Creation resides within. Science has yet to satisfy that as I see it. Simply claiming God doesnt exist , is pretty much just a contrary opinion , without the proof. Don't know what rock you've been hiding under but science has displaced god in many of the tales in the good book of fables. Man created god and now he/she/they/it is in the process of being rescinded - not by force but by natural selection. You do realize that you are an azzhole right maumserand9mm? You have been blathering on and on and on and on! Do you actually think that any of your posts will ever make us Christians change our belief system, because of your constant assault on the bible? If you think that your posts will make the slightest difference in how we think and comport ourselves, you are sadly mistaken. Go hump a Kangaroo. KBThere, there. If you can't provide a valid response to the argument, why not just go for personal attack? That's what a few here from Team Jesus seem to do anyway - I don't think they'll ever change.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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I am having a hard time figuring out why my beliefs of God hurts some non believers. The answer is simple Scott F, they have no "Faith", and they are lost. Must suck to be them. KB
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I am having a hard time figuring out why my beliefs of God hurts some non believers. Being told that we are all born evil is not a good start https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-secular-life/201408/does-christianity-harm-childrenWe're trying to help you guys see the light.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Simply claiming God doesn't exist, is pretty much just a contrary opinion, without the proof. I agree. Wholeheartedly. And the assertion that you can’t prove a negative is flat-out 100% wrong. We prove the nonexistence of things on a regular basis. So you ‘can’ prove a negative, at least as much as you can prove anything at all.
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We're trying to help you guys see the light. And, there it is. Evangelism in reverse.
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I am having a hard time figuring out why my beliefs of God hurts some non believers. The answer is simple Scott F, they have no "Faith", and they are lost. Must suck to be them. KBWe don't need faith, and life is great without it. Your lot spents much time bent out of shape and angry.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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We're trying to help you guys see the light. And, there it is. Evangelism in reverse. Or sarcasm maybe?
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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