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Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

the Way.
the Truth.
the Life.

said it His own self ...

Salvation I’m Thik’n …

Originally Posted by fish30ought6

the Way.
the Truth.
the Life.

said it His own self ...

This!

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

I think that Jesus was trying to get the Jewish religion back to its roots. In those days the Jewish religion WAS a way of life. I don't think Jesus had any intention of starting a new religion.

Way of life, Man struggles to keep rules and regulations AKA religion. Jesus came to bring life and freedom in personal relationship with him.

It’s all about living your religion. You’re obligated to follow the ten simple commandments that seem to be so hard to honor.

Originally Posted by rainshot

It’s all about living your religion. You’re obligated to follow the ten simple commandments that seem to be so hard to honor.

Wasn't that a Jewish thing?

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

I think that Jesus was trying to get the Jewish religion back to its roots. In those days the Jewish religion WAS a way of life. I don't think Jesus had any intention of starting a new religion.

He came to bring a new covenant to the Jews. He also came to save the gentiles, past present, and future. He picked 12 men to spread the word to the Jews and later picked another man to spread it to the gentiles.
Christianity is a fulfilling of Judaism. It's not a 'new' religion but a completed one. The Jews rejected it, as was prophesied centuries earlier but the gentiles grabbed for it.

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

In Matthew 22:36-39 Jesus was asked what was the greatest commandment. He answered by saying:

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Committing yourself fully- heart, soul, mind - has to be a way of life.

Jesus had a lot to say about religiosity, and to the religious leaders of the day - the Pharisees. He called them white-washed tombs, clean on the outside but full of stench and decay on the inside. So for any of us that claim to be followers of Jesus some introspection is a good thing. Am I a white-washed tomb? Am I loving God with heart, soul, and mind?

Originally Posted by Remington725

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

In Matthew 22:36-39 Jesus was asked what was the greatest commandment. He answered by saying:

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Committing yourself fully- heart, soul, mind - has to be a way of life.

Jesus had a lot to say about religiosity, and to the religious leaders of the day - the Pharisees. He called them white-washed tombs, clean on the outside but full of stench and decay on the inside. So for any of us that claim to be followers of Jesus some introspection is a good thing. Am I a white-washed tomb? Am I loving God with heart, soul, and mind?

Excellent post! Thank you.

Originally Posted by andy57

Way of life, Man struggles to keep rules and regulations AKA religion. Jesus came to bring life and freedom in personal relationship with him.

And there are churches that want to take it back to the former.

Jesus said that it's God's will that ALL men be saved. For that to be true, it's necessary for the word to be sent to every person who has ever lived, no matter when or where. Everyone, everywhere has to be given a chance. We aren't told how God reaches Amazon tribesmen or villagers in darkest Africa. We are told that God will issue a call for everyone who he knows will answer. How that call is made, we can only speculate. It's still the blood of Jesus that saves them, though, whether they know his name or not.

It’s still about Salvation which leads to Everlasting Life .

So Dance around it if you Will..

Ba Dee Ba Dee ..

That’s All Folks ..

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

It is a way of life secondarily. It isn’t a system. All other religions and many denominations that are supposedly Christian make it a system.

Christianity is a reality. The reality isn’t arrived at through a system nor can it be. When people think of it as a “way” primarily they sink into a system approach, become legalist, whether liberal or conservative, and lose the reality that was revealed in the Garden, through the Law and Prophets through until the end of Revelation.

Ok ..

It’s a Lifestyle..

Geezz

Im voting a way of life......where im severely lacking.....

Im a believer for sure.....i wish it showed more than it does......lve got a lot more i need to surrender .... and a lot more that i need to give.....believing is a start....ive been stuck in the start-up mode now for 58 years.

Wishing the best for you all

It's a way of life...because anything else leads to death.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Charity and justice just to name 2 things.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Well, to my mind, quite a bit…..God coming to earth in the flesh…… God living and teaching on earth in the personhood of Jesus….. Jesus as a living example of a holy God….. Jesus enabling a holy relationship with God via his death/shed blood on the cross …Jesus’ resurrection …. and the gifting of the Holy Spirit….and of course there is now the indwelling of God….

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Easier to do this. Here:

https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2016/november-december/how-christianity-changed-the-world

What do you think?

To answer Jim's question, everything.

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

Pard Antlers, Some people view Christianity as a way of life that encompasses all aspects of their existence, while others may see it primarily as a system of faith and worship. There are many different interpretations of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus, and individuals may choose to prioritize certain aspects of these teachings over others.

Ultimately, the nature and meaning of Christianity is a deeply personal and subjective matter that can vary widely based on individual beliefs and experiences.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Pard Conrad,
Christianity emerged from the Jewish tradition and was heavily influenced by the teachings of Jesus and his followers. While there were certainly other religious and philosophical traditions in existence at the time of Christianity's emergence, Christianity brought several unique elements to the table that set it apart from these other traditions.

One of the most significant contributions of Christianity was its emphasis on love, compassion, and forgiveness. Jesus taught that individuals should love their enemies and turn the other cheek, ideas that were revolutionary in their time and continue to be influential today. Christianity also introduced the concept of the Trinity, which holds that God exists as three distinct persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) in one divine being.

In addition, Christianity brought a new perspective on the nature of sin and redemption. According to Christian teachings, all humans are born with a sinful nature and must be saved through faith in Jesus Christ in order to achieve eternal life. This emphasis on salvation and the possibility of redemption was a departure from many other religious traditions of the time.

Overall, Christianity introduced a unique set of beliefs, practices, and values that continue to have a profound impact on individuals and societies around the world.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

I think that Jesus was trying to get the Jewish religion back to its roots. In those days the Jewish religion WAS a way of life. I don't think Jesus had any intention of starting a new religion.

Pard Indy, There are certainly scholars and religious historians who argue that Jesus' teachings were aimed at reforming the Jewish faith and restoring it to its original spiritual and moral principles. Jesus himself was Jewish, and many of his teachings and parables drew heavily from Jewish scripture and tradition.

However, it's worth noting that the emergence of Christianity as a distinct religion was a gradual and complex process that unfolded over many years and was influenced by a variety of cultural, social, and political factors. While it's possible that Jesus did not intend to start a new religion, the spread of his teachings and the growth of the early Christian community eventually led to the development of a separate and distinct religious tradition.

Regardless of how one interprets the historical origins of Christianity, there is no denying the profound impact that this religion has had on the world and on the lives of countless individuals over the centuries. Whether viewed as a continuation of Jewish tradition or as a new and distinct religious movement, Christianity has brought a unique set of beliefs, values, and practices to the world that continue to inspire and influence millions of people today.

Originally Posted by Rock Chuck

Jesus said that it's God's will that ALL men be saved. For that to be true, it's necessary for the word to be sent to every person who has ever lived, no matter when or where. Everyone, everywhere has to be given a chance. We aren't told how God reaches Amazon tribesmen or villagers in darkest Africa. We are told that God will issue a call for everyone who he knows will answer. How that call is made, we can only speculate. It's still the blood of Jesus that saves them, though, whether they know his name or not.

Pard Chuck, The idea that God desires the salvation of all humanity and that the blood of Jesus is necessary for that salvation is a core belief of Christianity. However, the question of how God extends salvation to individuals who have never heard the Gospel message is a complex and contested issue within Christian theology.

Some theologians and religious leaders argue that God extends salvation to all individuals, regardless of their knowledge or acceptance of the Gospel message. This view is sometimes referred to as "inclusivism" and holds that individuals can be saved through the workings of God's grace, even if they have never had access to the Christian message.

Others, however, take a more exclusive view of salvation and argue that faith in Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation. This view is sometimes referred to as "exclusivism" and holds that those who have never heard the Gospel message will not be saved unless they explicitly accept Jesus as their savior.

Ultimately, the question of how God extends salvation to individuals who have never heard the Gospel is a matter of interpretation and personal belief. There is no clear consensus within the Christian tradition on this issue, and individuals may have differing views based on their understanding of scripture, tradition, and personal experience.

Jesus came and gave a simple message. That message has been turned into a religion. It is clear to me from several replies that the message didn't survive the religion.

I will say this. The ten commandments are not nor ever were intended to show you how to live.

Originally Posted by Remington725

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

In Matthew 22:36-39 Jesus was asked what was the greatest commandment. He answered by saying:

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

Committing yourself fully- heart, soul, mind - has to be a way of life.

Jesus had a lot to say about religiosity, and to the religious leaders of the day - the Pharisees. He called them white-washed tombs, clean on the outside but full of stench and decay on the inside. So for any of us that claim to be followers of Jesus some introspection is a good thing. Am I a white-washed tomb? Am I loving God with heart, soul, and mind?

Pard Remington, Yes, you are correct that in Matthew 22:36-39, Jesus emphasizes the importance of loving God with all one's heart, soul, and mind and loving one's neighbor as oneself. This is often interpreted as a call to a way of life that emphasizes love, compassion, and service to others.

You are also correct that Jesus had strong words for religious leaders who were more concerned with outward appearances and legalistic adherence to religious laws than with a genuine love for God and others. Jesus emphasized the importance of humility, compassion, and service to others as the hallmarks of true religion.

As followers of Jesus, it is important to regularly examine our own hearts and motivations to ensure that we are living out the principles of love and service that he taught. This involves not only personal introspection but also active engagement with others and a commitment to social justice and compassion.

Originally Posted by RHClark

Jesus came and gave a simple message. That message has been turned into a religion. It is clear to me from several replies that the message didn't survive the religion.

I will say this. The ten commandments are not nor ever were intended to show you how to live.

Pard Clark, It is true that the message of Jesus has been turned into a religion, with various interpretations and denominations. However, many Christians would argue that the essence of Jesus' message - that of love, compassion, and service to others - remains central to their faith.

Regarding the Ten Commandments, they were given by God to Moses as a moral code for the Israelites to follow. While they may not provide a comprehensive guide for how to live, they do set out some fundamental principles for ethical behavior, such as honoring one's parents, not stealing or killing, and not coveting what belongs to others.

Ultimately, Christianity is a complex and multifaceted religion that has evolved over thousands of years. While different interpretations and practices may vary, many Christians would agree that at its core, the message of Jesus is one of love, compassion, and service to others.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Redemption of SIns, such as the retarded question you just asked.

Originally Posted by 79S

Originally Posted by RHClark

Jesus came and gave a simple message. That message has been turned into a religion. It is clear to me from several replies that the message didn't survive the religion.

I will say this. The ten commandments are not nor ever were intended to show you how to live.

Pard Clark, It is true that the message of Jesus has been turned into a religion, with various interpretations and denominations. However, many Christians would argue that the essence of Jesus' message - that of love, compassion, and service to others - remains central to their faith.

Regarding the Ten Commandments, they were given by God to Moses as a moral code for the Israelites to follow. While they may not provide a comprehensive guide for how to live, they do set out some fundamental principles for ethical behavior, such as honoring one's parents, not stealing or killing, and not coveting what belongs to others.

Ultimately, Christianity is a complex and multifaceted religion that has evolved over thousands of years. While different interpretations and practices may vary, many Christians would agree that at its core, the message of Jesus is one of love, compassion, and service to others.

With respect my friend, the reason the commandments were given was not as a way of life but as proof that it couldn't be achieved. There are actually over 600 commandments and the clincher commandment that if you fail in any, you are guilty of all.

God gave the commandments in response to his people wanting to live by laws, illustrating the impossibility of being justified by law. Anyone who was honest knew that they had to rely on the sacrifice for their redemption rather than their keeping of the commandments.

Hebrews goes into detail explaining how the law's only purpose was to reveal the impossibility of righteousness by the law, thus leading to faith in the sacrifice, Jesus ultimately becoming the only and eternal sacrifice.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Charity and justice just to name 2 things.

Those things didn't exist before?

Originally Posted by CopperSolid

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Redemption of SIns, such as the retarded question you just asked.

Typical Christian response.

Jim's not retarded in the least. It was a fair question.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by CopperSolid

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Redemption of SIns, such as the retarded question you just asked.

Typical Christian response.

Well…ok….in fact, very good…... from my way of thinking, you just made this “interesting…..”

I’m guessing that you did not not consider my response to be “typical Christian?”

What strikes you as being “typical”or perhaps “non-typical” when it comes to responses?

This seems to be rather important.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by CopperSolid

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Redemption of SIns, such as the retarded question you just asked.

Typical Christian response.

I agree with you Mr. Conrad. That is a typical response. There was redemption off sins under the old covenant through the sacrifices. Before that Abraham was justified by faith, according to the book of Romans.

What the message of Jesus brought that was different was unity with God. Jesus claiming sonship was what got him crucified. Jesus's message fulfilled is you are God's son too.

Originally Posted by 79S

Originally Posted by Rock Chuck

Jesus said that it's God's will that ALL men be saved. For that to be true, it's necessary for the word to be sent to every person who has ever lived, no matter when or where. Everyone, everywhere has to be given a chance. We aren't told how God reaches Amazon tribesmen or villagers in darkest Africa. We are told that God will issue a call for everyone who he knows will answer. How that call is made, we can only speculate. It's still the blood of Jesus that saves them, though, whether they know his name or not.

Pard Chuck, The idea that God desires the salvation of all humanity and that the blood of Jesus is necessary for that salvation is a core belief of Christianity. However, the question of how God extends salvation to individuals who have never heard the Gospel message is a complex and contested issue within Christian theology.

Some theologians and religious leaders argue that God extends salvation to all individuals, regardless of their knowledge or acceptance of the Gospel message. This view is sometimes referred to as "inclusivism" and holds that individuals can be saved through the workings of God's grace, even if they have never had access to the Christian message.

Others, however, take a more exclusive view of salvation and argue that faith in Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation. This view is sometimes referred to as "exclusivism" and holds that those who have never heard the Gospel message will not be saved unless they explicitly accept Jesus as their savior.

Ultimately, the question of how God extends salvation to individuals who have never heard the Gospel is a matter of interpretation and personal belief. There is no clear consensus within the Christian tradition on this issue, and individuals may have differing views based on their understanding of scripture, tradition, and personal experience.

Christianity is very exclusive. If one takes the whole New Testament, they will eventually see in 2nd Thessalonians Apostle Paul teaches when Jesus returns He will deal out retribution to those who do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ and do not know God.

Just because there are many people with different opinions, even if they all agree that doesn't make them right. The Pharisees and Sadusees agreed that Jesus was not good for their culture. But obviously history has shown they were wrong.

You mentioned Christianity was influenced by cultures. That is backwards. Christianity influences cultures. Folks who are influenced be things other than God's Word are not living a Christian life. Jesus taught you can not have two masters.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Those things didn't exist before?

Jesus brought women out of chattelhood to a position of respect rather than a position being owned.

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

Jesus of The Bible is quite exclusive. Take a look at John 3:36 and the last chapter of Matthew and the last chapter of Mark. Don’t forget to check His sermon on the mount.

I know you want it to be so... but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus's word to claim it.

Kent

Originally Posted by Remington725

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

I like what Rem725 posted as it gives order to what Yeshua thought was important.

I think he meant for us to witness the possibility's of a life committed to Love/God and how to go about it , perhaps even knowing we'd more than likely fail?

Then thinking it has to start somewhere, baby steps first ...... in the way that someone with all the time in the universe would .

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

I like that.

Originally Posted by RHClark

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by CopperSolid

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Redemption of SIns, such as the retarded question you just asked.

Typical Christian response.

I agree with you Mr. Conrad. That is a typical response. There was redemption off sins under the old covenant through the sacrifices. Before that Abraham was justified by faith, according to the book of Romans.

What the message of Jesus brought that was different was unity with God. Jesus claiming sonship was what got him crucified. Jesus's message fulfilled is you are God's son too.

The jews did not believe in a unity with God?

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

I like that.

I wonder what he would think of it today?

Originally Posted by fish30ought6

the Way.
the Truth.
the Life.

said it His own self ...

Amen

Christianity......here is how you do it....

Romans 10: 5-13

For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Agreed, Our salvation indeed is conditional. Both rewards and punishments shall be administered at the Judgment Seat of Christ, just as the Scriptures declare.

Originally Posted by Raspy

. Both rewards and punishments shall be administered at the Judgment Seat of Christ, just as the Scriptures declare.

A number of Catholics have told me that
their deceased loved ones are already in
heaven waiting for them...sounds like they
found a loophole that many are unaware of.

Originally Posted by Ringman

. Don’t forget to check His sermon on the mount.

Who recorded the alleged words of Jesus
on the mount?..it's a question of veracity.

Originally Posted by Raspy

. Both rewards and punishments shall be administered at the Judgment Seat of Christ, just as the Scriptures declare.

Originally Posted by Starman

A number of Catholics have told me that
their deceased loved ones are already in
heaven waiting for them...sounds like they
found a loophole that many are unaware of.

Maybe...maybe not...do not know...

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

Homo Sapiens appeared 200,000 years before Jesus. Should we dismiss all souls from those civilizations as lost? He stated "I have come to fulfill the law, not change it." or words to that effect. Establishment Jews certainly hated Him for it. A lot of Jews barely hide their contempt and hostility to this day, but gladly accept Christian money and backing for Zionist causes of course. Christians are often obnoxiously arrogant and clannish as well as illogical and ignorant. Their God is too small to exist alongside, if not within science. This failing is particularly sad. It would be difficult to count all the dead from Christian Crusades and holy wars against fellow Christians. However, all things considered, Christianity has done more to ennoble and empower the individual person than any other religion or philosophy in human history. The idea that God became human and thus loved the human beings and freed them from Popes and Kings as well as their own temporal condition, bond or free was absolutely liberating. The belief that we are spiritual, unique, important and greater than our mortality was so revolutionary it drove Western Civilization to its highest accomplishments through cooperation and individual achievement. It's tragic to see its influence and ideals fade away.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

I don't remember GOD mentioning Christianity in the Bible.

I think Christians brought the world the Constitution and idea GOD created all with rights and liberties to all, and that it is Unchristian govts which block those rights and liberties HE intends for all of those created in HIS image to possess.

IOW, HE brought the world The United States of America, Jim Conrad. Not a small thing, that brought much goodness to all mankind.

Ex. Air conditioning, air travel, medicine, Refrigeration, ......

Originally Posted by jaguartx

I don't remember GOD mentioning Christianity in the Bible.

or a 'trinity'.

Originally Posted by wabigoon

Jim's not retarded in the least. It was a fair question.

You still talk to the Happy Camper?

LOL

He might even be on this thread

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by jaguartx

I don't remember GOD mentioning Christianity in the Bible.

or a 'trinity'.

Regarding the word "Trinity"....true, no word in God the Bible....

But Nazianzus explicates “the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19), which he summarizes as a threefold name.

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”—Matthew 28:19

He frequently uses the word triad in reference to God, but also in reference to the threeness in the words of the risen Lord as he gave the baptismal command. Triad simply is Greek for threeness, just as thrynnysse is Anglo-Saxon and trinitas is Latin for threeness. Any reader of Matthew 28:19 must admit there is threeness, or trinity, in the biblical text....but not the word "Trinity".

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...

But Jesus wasn't.

Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

There you go CCC running with pompous statements like 'limited mind,' as if your mind is limitless and you are the arbiter of truth and the voice of God....even while failing to grasp what I said.

Is it better for a man to live his life being a good man, working hard, taking care of his family, faithful to his wife, protecting and nurturing his children, not lying stealing or murdering, helping his fellow man whenever possible etc…..
Or for him to accept Jesus on the deathbed after living a life of stealing, lying, infidelity, causing harm to lots of other folks etc..?

Originally Posted by jackmountain

Is it better for a man to live his life being a good man, working hard, taking care of his family, faithful to his wife, protecting and nurturing his children, not lying stealing or murdering, helping his fellow man whenever possible etc…..
Or for him to accept Jesus on the deathbed after living a life of stealing, lying, infidelity, causing harm to lots of other folks etc..?

A genuine deathbed conversion would be better but things usually don't work out that way. People don't live in unbelief for 60, 70, or 80 years and switch gears at the end. They probably cuss out the preacher serving in their hospice or whatever.

People who think living good enough to stay out of jail, stay married, or be thought a nice fellow is good enough to earn salvation don't understand the gospel....not even a little.

Remember the teaching of Jesus about the Pharisee and the tax collector. They were both at the temple praying and the Pharisee says something like Lord I thank you that I am not a sinner like other men, I do this and that and pay tithes. The tax collector, which was the lowest form of pond scum in the Jewish society of the day because he had thrown in with the Romans, would not lift his head but beat his chest and said Lord have mercy on me a sinner. Jesus said he went away justified.

Originally Posted by krp

I know you want it to be so... but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus's word to claim it.

Kent

I know you want it not to be so.....but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus' Word to get away from it.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

Originally Posted by antlers

Do y’all think that Jesus meant for it to be a ‘way of life’ or just another system of faith and worship (a religion).

I think that Jesus was trying to get the Jewish religion back to its roots. In those days the Jewish religion WAS a way of life. I don't think Jesus had any intention of starting a new religion.

I have quoted for years "Jesus Christ was the "Martin Luther" of his day.

Every form of Government must be shaken, stirred, and reset occasionally.

Originally Posted by Ringman

Originally Posted by krp

I know you want it to be so... but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus's word to claim it.

Kent

I know you want it not to be so.....but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus' Word to get away from it.

Kent?

Big James, just for you,

Originally Posted by Raspy

Regarding the word "Trinity"....true, no word in God the Bible....

But Nazianzus explicates “the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19), which he summarizes as a threefold name.
... ...

Issac Newtons forensic study of scripture led
him to conclusion that early Xtians didnt believe
in a triune deity... that Trinitarianism is apostasy
and that worshipping Jesus is idolatry.

The Nazianzus you mention loaded Xtian theology
with much Hellenism.

The anthropomorphism of g0d/Jesus wasn't mere
happenstance in a region/empire saturated
with Greco-Roman anthropomorphised g0ds.

Originally Posted by Ringman

Originally Posted by krp

I know you want it to be so... but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus's word to claim it.

Kent

I know you want it not to be so.....but you really have to cherry pick and twist Jesus' Word to get away from it.

I'm not the one claiming Jesus's word by citing a verse number... if you can't even quote the actual words for others to decide if they mean what you say, you are wrong already.

Kent

I would like to add a note this mess. I am a Christian. It is my decision and nobody else's business. If you agree with me fine, if you don't that is fine too but it is my decision and I don't care if anyone likes it or not.

Originally Posted by fish30ought6

the Way.
the Truth.
the Life.

said it His own self ...

Great answer. Lots of other interesting ones, but it boils down to this.

Originally Posted by Ringman

You mentioned Christianity was influenced by cultures.
That is backwards. Christianity influences cultures. .

You seem totally unaware of how much Xtianity
was influenced by the Greco-Roman system.
Just take a look at the institutional church of Rome.
Anyone who can't see the syncretism/ pagan concepts
integrated therein is a certified moron.

What, you mean Constantine might have twisted "The Word" a bit to make it easier to proselytize the peasant pagans??????

Say it isn't so!

Madonna????????LOL!

Originally Posted by CopperSolid

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

My question would be what exactly did Christianity bring to the table that wasn't already there?

Redemption of SIns, such as the retarded question you just asked.

Was not repentance always available i.e. the great city of Nineveh, King David's admission and repentance, Nebuchadnezzar's admission?

Reiterated in the parables of Jesus several times i.e. the prodigal son.

John and Jesus both preached salvation through repentance.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Ringman

You mentioned Christianity was influenced by cultures.
That is backwards. Christianity influences cultures. .

You seem totally unaware of how much Xtianity
was influenced by the Greco-Roman system.
Just take a look at the institutional church of Rome.
Anyone who can't see the syncretism/ pagan concepts
integrated therein is a certified moron.

Paul used Greek Philosophy practically ad verbatim.

Re: Constantine mentioned above ..

The pagan 'panegyric VI' of 310 AD states
Constantine had a vision of Apollo before
the Milvian bridge battle against Maxentius,

Come 337 AD, Euseubius pens a book
after the death of Constantine, rejigging
the tale, claiming the emperor had an
Xtian vision of 'Chi Rho'.

Chi-Rho itself a pagan image which can
be traced back to coins of Ptolemy III (pharaoh)
3rd century BC, Alexandria.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Raspy

Regarding the word "Trinity"....true, no word in God the Bible....

But Nazianzus explicates “the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19), which he summarizes as a threefold name.
... ...

Issac Newtons forensic study of scripture led
him to conclusion that early Xtians didnt believe
in a triune deity... that Trinitarianism is apostasy
and that worshipping Jesus is idolatry.

The Nazianzus you mention loaded Xtian theology
with much Hellenism.

The anthropomorphism of g0d/Jesus wasn't mere
happenstance in a region/empire saturated
with Greco-Roman anthropomorphised g0ds.

And so?.....i was agreeing that the word "Trinity" was not in God the Bible...

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”—Matthew 28:19

He frequently uses the word triad in reference to God, but also in reference to the threeness in the words of the risen Lord as he gave the baptismal command. Triad simply is Greek for threeness, just as thrynnysse is Anglo-Saxon and trinitas is Latin for threeness. Any reader of Matthew 28:19 must admit there is threeness, or trinity, in the biblical text....but not the word "Trinity".

Originally Posted by DBT

Paul used Greek Philosophy practically ad verbatim.

Yeah , some Xtian apologists defend such , claiming it was
accepted practice of the time.

Yet the writings of Pliny the Elder(23-79 AD) indicate
expressed disdain for Plagiarism.

Originally Posted by Raspy

He frequently uses the word triad in reference to God,

I am aware of Matthews regular use of triadic literary device , but no such actual word.

Angel comes to Joseph 3x
Wise men with 3x gifts
Jesus prayed 3x in Gethsemane
Peter denied Jesus 3x
3x temptations in the wilderness
3x petitions by canaanite woman
3x people on the cross.

So Baptising in the name of 3x is
just another...(and several more not mentioned).

Originally Posted by Ringman

Christianity is very exclusive.

No. It's not a college fraternity. It's available to anyone for the asking.

,.....even Starman.

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...
But Jesus wasn't.
Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

There you go CCC running with pompous statements like 'limited mind,' as if your mind is limitless and you are the arbiter of truth and the voice of God....even while failing to grasp what I said.

Not at all - I am humbled by the power and omniscience of God and there is not space for pomposity. To the contrary, the "as if" is your language and your attempt to place words in my mouth and falsely describe my position. That behavior is seriously disingenuous on your part and never will work.

My mind has its limits just as do all human minds, and there is no way that I, or any human, can be the arbiter or actual voice of God. You should know that, and your little attack there will not enable you to deflect the actual issue. Read again, and for comprehension this time.

I spoke of the limited mind of mankind - in general - and the inferred logic that some in mankind try to employ in vain attempts to describe, refute, disavow, etc. the nature of God - factors beyond their human comprehension. My comment was not at all personal to you, but it looks as though you ingested it and assumed something personal. That is another failing of the limited mind of mankind - or at least some of the lot.

Food for thought is just that for some folks - for others it seems to be anger bait. Try putting your human logic to work on that principle instead making another of your ad hominem attacks and playing your dodging games.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.".

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

A blowhard Yank with delusions of grandeur, who assumes to have a limitless mind, so is able to confidently speak on behalf of his own version of the Creator of the Universe...and of course, anyone who disagrees must, in the eyes of the Great Spokesman, the marvelous CCC, be wrong.

Hahaha!

Classy.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...
But Jesus wasn't.
Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

There you go CCC running with pompous statements like 'limited mind,' as if your mind is limitless and you are the arbiter of truth and the voice of God....even while failing to grasp what I said.

Not at all - I am humbled by the power and omniscience of God and there is not space for pomposity. To the contrary, the "as if" is your language and your attempt to place words in my mouth and falsely describe my position. That behavior is seriously disingenuous on your part and never will work.

My mind has its limits just as do all human minds, and there is no way that I, or any human, can be the arbiter or actual voice of God. You should know that, and your little attack there will not enable you to deflect the actual issue. Read again, and for comprehension this time.

I spoke of the limited mind of mankind - in general - and the inferred logic that some in mankind try to employ in vain attempts to describe, refute, disavow, etc. the nature of God - factors beyond their human comprehension. My comment was not at all personal to you, but it looks as though you ingested it and assumed something personal. That is another failing of the limited mind of mankind - or at least some of the lot.

Food for thought is just that for some folks - for others it seems to be anger bait. Try putting your human logic to work on that principle instead making another of your ad hominem attacks and playing your dodging games.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.".

Delusional. You pretend that you don't engage in a pompous way even while doing it.

As for ad hominem attacks, it was you who initiated that, now you get it flung back in your face with interest, (not to mention the lies you were caught telling),

You brought it upon yourself.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

I think you are now senile. The expression of "unconditional love" by sending someone to hell for eternity, based on failing a set of conditions that can't be reasonably met, and without any verifiable substantiation, is a major contradiction. Attempting a poor excuse on behalf of that god makes you as immoral a beast as him/her/they/it. Calling it stupidity was one response that was giving you some benefit of the doubt - it seems that you are much worse than that.

Originally Posted by CCCC

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.".

How does one reconcile 'conditional salvation'
With unconditional love , tolerance , mercy?

Originally Posted by CCCC

stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.
.

Does that equally apply to Xtians who close their
minds to other g0ds?..monotheism is near about as
bias as theological beliefs get...Xtians take bias
to even narrower goalpost limits by disputing the
validity of differing monotheistic forms of belief.

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...
But Jesus wasn't.
Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

There you go CCC running with pompous statements like 'limited mind,' as if your mind is limitless and you are the arbiter of truth and the voice of God....even while failing to grasp what I said.

Not at all - I am humbled by the power and omniscience of God and there is not space for pomposity. To the contrary, the "as if" is your language and your attempt to place words in my mouth and falsely describe my position. That behavior is seriously disingenuous on your part and never will work.

My mind has its limits just as do all human minds, and there is no way that I, or any human, can be the arbiter or actual voice of God. You should know that, and your little attack there will not enable you to deflect the actual issue. Read again, and for comprehension this time.

I spoke of the limited mind of mankind - in general - and the inferred logic that some in mankind try to employ in vain attempts to describe, refute, disavow, etc. the nature of God - factors beyond their human comprehension. My comment was not at all personal to you, but it looks as though you ingested it and assumed something personal. That is another failing of the limited mind of mankind - or at least some of the lot.

Food for thought is just that for some folks - for others it seems to be anger bait. Try putting your human logic to work on that principle instead making another of your ad hominem attacks and playing your dodging games.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.".

Delusional. You pretend that you don't engage in a pompous way even while doing it.
You do realize, don't you, that the perception of "pompous" lies in the eye of the beholder - no matter how myopic.

As for ad hominem attacks, it was you who initiated that, now you get it flung back in your face with interest, (not to mention the lies you were caught telling),
Kindly list those lies in your next post. Now, don't try to cheat - you will only make yourself look and feel smaller.

You brought it upon yourself.
I don't mind those silly attacks based on your assumptions and without any of your precious "evidence", I simply point them out. Those rantings are what they are - degrading of the one who makes them up.

Obviously you can't differentiate between a general comment posed to encourage thinking - and the fact that you will mistakenly take that in and cause yourself to feel attacked - which is what you have done.

There was zero attack directed at you, or any individual. Why would a sincere comment about the limitations of mankind (certainly including the one who made it) set you afire and push you to go on a personal attack? It is beginning to look as if you have trapped yourself in a low grade circular logic scheme and can't escape - so you flail away at someone who poses a thought which reminds you of your plight. You act as if you are on a limited system merry-go-round and can't grab a brass ring.

Try as you might, you never will succeed in reading the minds of other intelligent beings, trying to place words on their tongues, or portraying them as something they are not. Not only are you not sufficiently insightful or wise enough to do so, but you will be called out for the silliness of your quest. Try thinking instead of simply railing and railing at that which you do not understand.

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

I think you are now senile. The expression of "unconditional love" by sending someone to hell for eternity, based on failing a set of conditions that can't be reasonably met, and without any verifiable substantiation, is a major contradiction. Attempting a poor excuse on behalf of that god makes you as immoral a beast as him/her/they/it. Calling it stupidity was one response that was giving you some benefit of the doubt - it seems that you are much worse than that.

What you think in your mind and what is real can actually be diametrically opposed - so the importance of what you think seems open to question due to potential delusion on your part. Calling another thinking person "stupid" or "senile" sounds a lot like the little kid on the playground who is flummoxed or left wanting and can think of nothing to say or do other than to shout a malicious (and meaningless) slur.

I do not try to circumscribe the mind, intent and will of God, particularly on the basis of things I do not and apparently cannot know. I don't see God as being responsible for making certain that I, or you, understand and and have the ability to justify anything God expects or chooses to do. I work with what is available through His teaching and grace rather than emphasizing supposed missing evidence or ostensible contradictions that might enable a limited human mind to form attacks. I love God.

Why not do yourself a favor toward understanding and read it again - there is not a shred of "excuse" in that statement.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination."

Where is the "excuse"? You are trying to state an action on my part that has not occurred, and thus your ensuing comments about "immorality" etc. have no base whatsoever. Your falsity at the fundament renders fake what you attempt to build upon it. For one who proclaims the extreme necessity of evidence, you should know better than to have done that.

Something about that brief perceptual and general statement has caused indigestion, or itching, or something like that for you and another person or two here. The irritation has led to some typical human behavior - common to all of us - immediate lashing out rather than pondering something we don't want to ponder. We see liberals and other such types doing that constantly. I'm only human - not talented or smart enough to help with your dilemma.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by CCCC

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.".

How does one reconcile 'conditional salvation'
With unconditional love , tolerance , mercy?
I did not even pretend that there is reconciliation of such things, let alone make such an attempt. A simple observation is that, even as mere humans lacking the infinite capacities of God, we ourselves can give them tolerance, give them mercy, and love our children unconditionally while yet requiring conditions before we grant certain things. That is a simple human example. Given that, why would one question the ability of the omnipotent, omniscient God to reconcile what He does? The principle seems healthy food for thought. Nothing more suggested.

Originally Posted by CCCC

stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.
.

Does that equally apply to Xtians who close their
minds to other g0ds?..monotheism is near about as
bias as theological beliefs get...Xtians take bias
to even narrower goalpost limits by disputing the
validity of differing monotheistic forms of belief.
I do not try to speak for other Christians, and do try to stretch my mind every day - which sometimes includes matters such as those you list there. It can be observed that Christians are not alone when doing such things - as evidenced by those of other religious persuasions who do the same, and those of no particular religious persuasion at all who simply close their minds and dispute the tenets of Christianity. One could say that the stretching also includes this response to what seems like hostile questioning.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Obviously you can't differentiate between a general comment posed to encourage thinking - and the fact that you will mistakenly take that in and cause yourself to feel attacked - which is what you have done.

You were the one complaining about ad homs even while initiating and engaging with them. That is what I pointed out. That you play the victim card even while acting aggressively in a pompous manner.

Originally Posted by CCCC

There was zero attack directed at you, or any individual. Why would a sincere comment about the limitations of mankind (certainly including the one who made it) set you afire and push you to go on a personal attack? It is beginning to look as if you have trapped yourself in a low grade circular logic scheme and can't escape - so you flail away at someone who poses a thought which reminds you of your plight. You act as if you are on a limited system merry-go-round and can't grab a brass ring.

You are so deluded with your sense of superiority that you cannot understand the nature and implications of your remarks, that when you accuse your opponent of having a 'limited mind' you imply that yours is not, where you essentially say that your opponent has no idea because of their 'limited mind,' while your fantastic superior mind has the answers, and being superior, you have the grounding to speak with authority on matters of religion and faith.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Try as you might, you never will succeed in reading the minds of other intelligent beings, trying to place words on their tongues, or portraying them as something they are not. Not only are you not sufficiently insightful or wise enough to do so, but you will be called out for the silliness of your quest. Try thinking instead of simply railing and railing at that which you do not understand.

Well, there you go proving my point, you with the 'intelligent mind'' that is beyond the capacity of lesser beings to comprehend. You, sir, are a pompous prat who has delusions of grandeur, a self appointed arbiter of truth.....yet unable to grasp the contradiction between unconditional love and conditional salvation.

Guys, we are on the same, "team".

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Raspy

He frequently uses the word triad in reference to God,

I am aware of Matthews regular use of triadic literary device , but no such actual word.

Angel comes to Joseph 3x
Wise men with 3x gifts
Jesus prayed 3x in Gethsemane
Peter denied Jesus 3x
3x temptations in the wilderness
3x petitions by canaanite woman
3x people on the cross.

So Baptising in the name of 3x is
just another...(and several more not mentioned).

When will you get it in your head that I agree with you that the word "Trinity" is NOT in God the Bible......geeesch!

I'm not on any team that tell others Christ rejects them,

I am on Christ's team, and say he makes himself available to everyone.

Kent

So when Jesus “went about doing good,” was He ‘living it’ or was He just practicing a set of beliefs…?

Is the implication that we are to be doing what Christ did?

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

I think you are now senile. The expression of "unconditional love" by sending someone to hell for eternity, based on failing a set of conditions that can't be reasonably met, and without any verifiable substantiation, is a major contradiction. Attempting a poor excuse on behalf of that god makes you as immoral a beast as him/her/they/it. Calling it stupidity was one response that was giving you some benefit of the doubt - it seems that you are much worse than that.

What you think in your mind and what is real can actually be diametrically opposed - so the importance of what you think seems open to question due to potential delusion on your part. Calling another thinking person "stupid" or "senile" sounds a lot like the little kid on the playground who is flummoxed or left wanting and can think of nothing to say or do other than to shout a malicious (and meaningless) slur.

I do not try to circumscribe the mind, intent and will of God, particularly on the basis of things I do not and apparently cannot know. I don't see God as being responsible for making certain that I, or you, understand and and have the ability to justify anything God expects or chooses to do. I work with what is available through His teaching and grace rather than emphasizing supposed missing evidence or ostensible contradictions that might enable a limited human mind to form attacks. I love God.

Why not do yourself a favor toward understanding and read it again - there is not a shred of "excuse" in that statement.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination."

Where is the "excuse"? You are trying to state an action on my part that has not occurred, and thus your ensuing comments about "immorality" etc. have no base whatsoever. Your falsity at the fundament renders fake what you attempt to build upon it. For one who proclaims the extreme necessity of evidence, you should know better than to have done that.

Something about that brief perceptual and general statement has caused indigestion, or itching, or something like that for you and another person or two here. The irritation has led to some typical human behavior - common to all of us - immediate lashing out rather than pondering something we don't want to ponder. We see liberals and other such types doing that constantly. I'm only human - not talented or smart enough to help with your dilemma.

Meaningless blather. Do you read the disconnected BS that you write? It's a mess.

Doing?

Nobody lives the same life as another.

Jesus's lessons were how to think, feel, act spiritually... regardless of our worldly life.

Kent

How are you doing with the thinking, feeling and spiritually acting?

What's your success like? 50%? 30%? 75%?

Doing again... you don't get it.

Kent

No it's a legitimate question. What does that mean? I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of people over the years and a comment such as yours can mean a lot of different things. So, No, I don't get what you mean?

How are your thoughts to be contextualized?
Do you make that statement within the message of a song such as "What Would Jesus Do" by Big Tent Revival?
Do you make that statement within the context of Little God Theology: We are to be doing the "works that Jesus did"?
Do you make that statement within a denominational context such as Methodist Christian Perfectionism?
Do you make that statement within the general American Evangelical context of self measurement based on a particular section of scripture?

Such statements bring up these and similar questions.

What is the context from which I understand your statement?

Based on the contextualization from which you make that statement how are you doing? How do you assess you progress, success, failure?

Originally Posted by BuckHaggard

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

I think you are now senile. The expression of "unconditional love" by sending someone to hell for eternity, based on failing a set of conditions that can't be reasonably met, and without any verifiable substantiation, is a major contradiction. Attempting a poor excuse on behalf of that god makes you as immoral a beast as him/her/they/it. Calling it stupidity was one response that was giving you some benefit of the doubt - it seems that you are much worse than that.

What you think in your mind and what is real can actually be diametrically opposed - so the importance of what you think seems open to question due to potential delusion on your part. Calling another thinking person "stupid" or "senile" sounds a lot like the little kid on the playground who is flummoxed or left wanting and can think of nothing to say or do other than to shout a malicious (and meaningless) slur.

I do not try to circumscribe the mind, intent and will of God, particularly on the basis of things I do not and apparently cannot know. I don't see God as being responsible for making certain that I, or you, understand and and have the ability to justify anything God expects or chooses to do. I work with what is available through His teaching and grace rather than emphasizing supposed missing evidence or ostensible contradictions that might enable a limited human mind to form attacks. I love God.

Why not do yourself a favor toward understanding and read it again - there is not a shred of "excuse" in that statement.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination."

Where is the "excuse"? You are trying to state an action on my part that has not occurred, and thus your ensuing comments about "immorality" etc. have no base whatsoever. Your falsity at the fundament renders fake what you attempt to build upon it. For one who proclaims the extreme necessity of evidence, you should know better than to have done that.

Something about that brief perceptual and general statement has caused indigestion, or itching, or something like that for you and another person or two here. The irritation has led to some typical human behavior - common to all of us - immediate lashing out rather than pondering something we don't want to ponder. We see liberals and other such types doing that constantly. I'm only human - not talented or smart enough to help with your dilemma.

Meaningless blather. Do you read the disconnected BS that you write? It's a mess.

Not BS to me...

I believe the Ebionite Christians got Christianity right. Most if not all derogatory writings about them were written well after the Pauline version of Christianity had basically stamped out the early church that formed at Jerusalem.

Originally Posted by IZH27

Based on the contextualization from which you make that statement how are you doing? How do you assess you progress, success, failure?

You are wanting mortal world answers to spiritual God.

Spiritually I have a personal relationship with God/Christ through the Holy Spirit... there's no rating system, God isn't grading me on a curve for limited spots, I'm not in competition with others for salvation.

Worldly, how I'm 'doing' depends on what is happening. At 65 I'm not doing as well as when I was 40. Taking my grandkids to the zoo, shooting, their sports activities are better than taking my wife to the doctor because of serious hip issues.

I did a lot better with my son's birth than I did with his death.

I don't blame God for the inconsistencies of this world, it's man's domain and consequences.

I do thank God for his consistent spiritual strength through it all, bolstering me a bit from the yo yo of life's emotions.

There's nothing I can 'DO' to build a stairway to God, Christ has to reach to get me, same for everyone.

Kent

Thanks for the answer. It just sounds like a description of your normal life rather than an answer to the questions surrounding your comment of thinking feeling and acting spiritually. I may miss the point though. Are you saying that the daily activities are the thinking feeling and acting?

Originally Posted by krp

Originally Posted by IZH27

Based on the contextualization from which you make that statement how are you doing? How do you assess you progress, success, failure?

You are wanting mortal world answers to spiritual God.

Spiritually I have a personal relationship with God/Christ through the Holy Spirit... there's no rating system, God isn't grading me on a curve for limited spots, I'm not in competition with others for salvation.

Worldly, how I'm 'doing' depends on what is happening. At 65 I'm not doing as well as when I was 40. Taking my grandkids to the zoo, shooting, their sports activities are better than taking my wife to the doctor because of serious hip issues.

I did a lot better with my son's birth than I did with his death.

I don't blame God for the inconsistencies of this world, it's man's domain and consequences.

I do thank God for his consistent spiritual strength through it all, bolstering me a bit from the yo yo of life's emotions.

There's nothing I can 'DO' to build a stairway to God, Christ has to reach to get me, same for everyone.

Kent

Darn, Kent. I'm so sorry to hear of that. May he rest in God's arms awaiting reunion with you.

A glorious day will be had by all believers after their time on earth is over.

Originally Posted by wabigoon

Fantastic! End the destruction of our once great nation. Smite the evil ones! Drive the money changers from our midst. Save the children. Spare the helpless. Restore decency and honor across our land.

Originally Posted by Raspy

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Raspy

He frequently uses the word triad in reference to God,

I am aware of Matthews regular use of triadic literary device , but no such actual word.

Angel comes to Joseph 3x
Wise men with 3x gifts
Jesus prayed 3x in Gethsemane
Peter denied Jesus 3x
3x temptations in the wilderness
3x petitions by canaanite woman
3x people on the cross.

So Baptising in the name of 3x is
just another...(and several more not mentioned).

When will you get it in your head that I agree with you that the word "Trinity" is NOT in God the Bible......geeesch!

You made a claim ( in bold above ) not supported by scripture.

Y'all just start these threads to make Starman's horns and tail pop out.

Originally Posted by CCCC

....It can be observed that Christians are not alone when doing such things - as evidenced by those of other religious persuasions who do the same, and those of no particular religious persuasion at all who simply close their minds and dispute the tenets of Christianity....

It's actually open minds through the ages not trapped in traditional myth
and superstition that have disputed Xtian tenets of; virgin birth , trinity ,
Resurrection , second coming .etc

that includes astute calibre of people like Thomas Jefferson and Issac Newton.

The church that pushes such tenets was resistant to science that made
mockery of erroneous claims by church about a geo-centric earth theological
model..Yet while being so ignorant of the reality of helio-centrism , had the
audacity to market an unverifiable ethereal heavenly destination.. and they
are still pulling that Schit on people.

Originally Posted by CCCC

A simple observation is that, even as mere humans lacking the infinite capacities of God...

Sounds like you are projecting your own limited
mind brand of faith and nothing more...So many
other g0ds to entertain, what's holding you back?

Could you have discovered your g0d without
first reading about it in a book by anonymous
authors spruiking unverifiable claims to the
credulous?

Originally Posted by CCCC

I do not try to circumscribe the mind, intent and will of God, particularly on the basis of things I do not and apparently cannot know..

What do you actually know about your g0d with
'indesputable certainty' as opposed to just a
convenient subjective construct in your own mind?

Serious question, what is a Christian?

I ask that question because I believe in God, Jesus is my lord and savior and I follow the 10 commandments as a lifestyle choice.

I do not believe in organized religion, and for that reason, I do not attend church, but I do pray daily. On Christmas day the first thing I do when I wake up is to light a candle which I burn all day until I go to sleep in order to celebrate Jesus's birthday. I do not participate in the commercialization of Christmas and consider it an obscene money grab.

The question I asked above, is an honest one because I call myself a non-traditional Christian. I grew up in a household of atheists, I am the only member in my family that has faith.

Was wondering if you gentlemen and women of faith would consider me a Christian?

Thank you ~ KB

Originally Posted by BuckHaggard

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by krp

Christianity is very exclusive...But Jesus wasn't.Kent

Yet the conditions for salvation are given in the NT, which excludes those who do not meet the conditions, which means that salvation is conditional, so is not an expression of unconditional love, tolerance or mercy.

Just some food for thought about the above statement from the limited mind and inferred logic of mankind: the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination.

That's the stupidest thing I've seen you type, so far.

What seems stupid to your mind is not at all significant to the statement. The fact that it is beyond your systematic understanding does not even hint at stupidity. Try to stretch your mind outside the biased limits you have set.

I think you are now senile. The expression of "unconditional love" by sending someone to hell for eternity, based on failing a set of conditions that can't be reasonably met, and without any verifiable substantiation, is a major contradiction. Attempting a poor excuse on behalf of that god makes you as immoral a beast as him/her/they/it. Calling it stupidity was one response that was giving you some benefit of the doubt - it seems that you are much worse than that.

What you think in your mind and what is real can actually be diametrically opposed - so the importance of what you think seems open to question due to potential delusion on your part. Calling another thinking person "stupid" or "senile" sounds a lot like the little kid on the playground who is flummoxed or left wanting and can think of nothing to say or do other than to shout a malicious (and meaningless) slur.

I do not try to circumscribe the mind, intent and will of God, particularly on the basis of things I do not and apparently cannot know. I don't see God as being responsible for making certain that I, or you, understand and and have the ability to justify anything God expects or chooses to do. I work with what is available through His teaching and grace rather than emphasizing supposed missing evidence or ostensible contradictions that might enable a limited human mind to form attacks. I love God.

Why not do yourself a favor toward understanding and read it again - there is not a shred of "excuse" in that statement.

"the fact that the act of salvation would be conditional does not mean that it would/could not be an expression of unconditional love, or tolerance, or mercy. No such elimination."

Where is the "excuse"? You are trying to state an action on my part that has not occurred, and thus your ensuing comments about "immorality" etc. have no base whatsoever. Your falsity at the fundament renders fake what you attempt to build upon it. For one who proclaims the extreme necessity of evidence, you should know better than to have done that.

Something about that brief perceptual and general statement has caused indigestion, or itching, or something like that for you and another person or two here. The irritation has led to some typical human behavior - common to all of us - immediate lashing out rather than pondering something we don't want to ponder. We see liberals and other such types doing that constantly. I'm only human - not talented or smart enough to help with your dilemma.

Meaningless blather. Do you read the disconnected BS that you write? It's a mess.

Yep, that's CCCCCCCCCCCCC's modus operandi. Gibberish and denial. The perceived ad hominem attacks are actually simply just a case of pointing out his characteristics.

Originally Posted by krp

You are wanting mortal world answers to spiritual God.

Spiritually I have a personal relationship with God/Christ through the Holy Spirit... there's no rating system, God isn't grading me on a curve for limited spots, I'm not in competition with others for salvation.

Worldly, how I'm 'doing' depends on what is happening. At 65 I'm not doing as well as when I was 40. Taking my grandkids to the zoo, shooting, their sports activities are better than taking my wife to the doctor because of serious hip issues.

I did a lot better with my son's birth than I did with his death.

I don't blame God for the inconsistencies of this world, it's man's domain and consequences.

I do thank God for his consistent spiritual strength through it all, bolstering me a bit from the yo yo of life's emotions.

There's nothing I can 'DO' to build a stairway to God, Christ has to reach to get me, same for everyone.

Kent

Hi Kent, the more of your responses I read, the better I like reading them.

You, RHClark , Antlers ** , Hastings, Dwayne, bluedog and even a few one and done posters help me to get a better grip on what I want to experience with regard to religiosity going forward in my life.
When you see it written down and it has that ring of truth to it ....Thanks alla yuz !

Starman and DBT, hope you guys are doing well!
Your points of view are always interesting.

** Man, this one took on a life of its own didnt it? I blame the moon but wow! Thanks Again.

Originally Posted by KillerBee

Serious question, what is a Christian?

I ask that question because I believe in God, Jesus is my lord and savior and I follow the 10 commandments as a lifestyle choice.

I do not believe in organized religion, and for that reason, I do not attend church, but I do pray daily. On Christmas day the first thing I do when I wake up is to light a candle which I burn all day until I go to sleep in order to celebrate Jesus's birthday. I do not participate in the commercialization of Christmas and consider it an obscene money grab.

The question I asked above, is an honest one because I call myself a non-traditional Christian. I grew up in a household of atheists, I am the only member in my family that has faith.

Was wondering if you gentlemen and women of faith would consider me a Christian?

Thank you ~ KB

KB,

The short answer to your question is found in how you answer here; have you been born of the Spirit and are you in the “Body of Christ?”

Note that salvation… being “a Christian” …. is more than simple “belief” in who Jesus is…. “Even demons ‘believe”

Recognition of one’s sin…. Recognition that Jesus is indeed the “Messiah”…. Acceptance of His forgiving gift of life…. Having a relationship with Him….

“Good works…. Being a good guy….not doing any raping, thieving or killing”….. doesn’t “earn heaven.”

All have sinned….Belief and Acceptance of Forgiveness by the blood starts the saving relationship with God.

Anyway, if you are interested, follow this link:

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-Christian.html

Thank you for answering my question TF49, it is a question I have had for a long time.

"So, a Christian is someone who has been born again by God (John 3:3; John 3:7; 1 Peter 1:23) and has put faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8 tells us that it is “…by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.”

Describes me well. I put my faith in Jesus and I have absolute faith and belief that I have been saved by my lord and savior, AMEN.

KB

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Yep, that's CCCCCCCCCCCCC's modus operandi. Gibberish and denial. The perceived ad hominem attacks are actually simply just a case of pointing out his characteristics.

He did imply that his mind is limitless, perhaps his own perception of infallibility gives him the confidence to submit utter poppycock and pompously 'chastise' and berate his opponents.....

If we can't share brotherly love guys, at least. respect each other.

You'll behave, or I'll pass the collection plate.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Ringman

Christianity is very exclusive.

No. It's not a college fraternity. It's available to anyone for the asking.

,.....even Starman.

Correct! But they must ask.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Raspy

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Raspy

He frequently uses the word triad in reference to God,

I am aware of Matthews regular use of triadic literary device , but no such actual word.

Angel comes to Joseph 3x
Wise men with 3x gifts
Jesus prayed 3x in Gethsemane
Peter denied Jesus 3x
3x temptations in the wilderness
3x petitions by canaanite woman
3x people on the cross.

So Baptising in the name of 3x is
just another...(and several more not mentioned).

When will you get it in your head that I agree with you that the word "Trinity" is NOT in God the Bible......geeesch!

You made a claim ( in bold above ) not supported by scripture.

I think you are confused...look at post number #18233671...you said "Trinity" is a word that is not in God the Bible...I agreed with that....then I quoted some religious scholars that came close to the word "Trinity" such as Triad, but no "Trinity" in God the Bible. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by wabigoon

If we can't share brotherly love guys, at least. respect each other.

Some don't give it from the start, so they get what they give in return

A tooth for a tooth, your bible tells us.

Originally Posted by Ringman

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Ringman

Christianity is very exclusive.

No. It's not a college fraternity. It's available to anyone for the asking.

,.....even Starman.

Correct! But they must ask.

Ask who? The priest or preacher? And that assumes that the god of the bible is more than a mere belief.

Originally Posted by krp

Originally Posted by IZH27

Based on the contextualization from which you make that statement how are you doing? How do you assess you progress, success, failure?

You are wanting mortal world answers to spiritual God.

Spiritually I have a personal relationship with God/Christ through the Holy Spirit... there's no rating system, God isn't grading me on a curve for limited spots, I'm not in competition with others for salvation.

Worldly, how I'm 'doing' depends on what is happening. At 65 I'm not doing as well as when I was 40. Taking my grandkids to the zoo, shooting, their sports activities are better than taking my wife to the doctor because of serious hip issues.

I did a lot better with my son's birth than I did with his death.

I don't blame God for the inconsistencies of this world, it's man's domain and consequences.

I do thank God for his consistent spiritual strength through it all, bolstering me a bit from the yo yo of life's emotions.

There's nothing I can 'DO' to build a stairway to God, Christ has to reach to get me, same for everyone.

Kent

According to Revelation 20 verse 12 and 13 everyone will be judged by what they do it sayes according to their deeds. Deeds are what we do.

Originally Posted by KillerBee

Serious question, what is a Christian?

I ask that question because I believe in God, Jesus is my lord and savior and I follow the 10 commandments as a lifestyle choice.

I do not believe in organized religion, and for that reason, I do not attend church, but I do pray daily. On Christmas day the first thing I do when I wake up is to light a candle which I burn all day until I go to sleep in order to celebrate Jesus's birthday. I do not participate in the commercialization of Christmas and consider it an obscene money grab.

The question I asked above, is an honest one because I call myself a non-traditional Christian. I grew up in a household of atheists, I am the only member in my family that has faith.

Was wondering if you gentlemen and women of faith would consider me a Christian?

Thank you ~ KB

What does God's Word say? "If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved."

Worked for a slimy guy who would flaunt(+) his churchgoing and love of God when it was useful to make or save a buck.
A co-worker stated "guys like that make it really tough to defend Christianity".

Originally Posted by Ringman

According to Revelation 20 verse 12 and 13 everyone will be judged by what they do it says according to their deeds. Deeds are what we do.

Revelation 20:13 KJV "and they were judged, every man according to their works"

I suspect the emphasis on works and deeds was why Martin Luther had not much use for the books of James or The Revelation of Jesus Christ. He was all in for Romans.

Originally Posted by Distridr

Worked for a slimy guy who would flaunt(+) his churchgoing and love of God when it was useful to make or save a buck.
A co-worker stated "guys like that make it really tough to defend Christianity".

I would imagine our resident atheists on the 24HCF feel ratified every time one these Christian threads comes up. Some of the reasoning by the faithful makes me wonder.

Originally Posted by Ringman

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Originally Posted by Ringman

Christianity is very exclusive.

No. It's not a college fraternity. It's available to anyone for the asking.

,.....even Starman.

Correct! But they must ask.

You have to ask to be a christian?

No

Kent

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Distridr

Worked for a slimy guy who would flaunt(+) his churchgoing and love of God when it was useful to make or save a buck.
A co-worker stated "guys like that make it really tough to defend Christianity".

I would imagine our resident atheists on the 24HCF feel ratified every time one these Christian threads comes up. Some of the reasoning by the faithful makes me wonder.

The atheists are just here to help sort out the "almost atheist" (being those that believe in one god) but the team that you are on can't even get the story straight within the one brand of religion - seems to distract them from reaching any factual truth in the matter.

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Distridr

Worked for a slimy guy who would flaunt(+) his churchgoing and love of God when it was useful to make or save a buck.
A co-worker stated "guys like that make it really tough to defend Christianity".

I would imagine our resident atheists on the 24HCF feel ratified every time one these Christian threads comes up. Some of the reasoning by the faithful makes me wonder.

The atheists are just here to help sort out the "almost atheist" (being those that believe in one god) but the team that you are on can't even get the story straight within the one brand of religion - seems to distract them from reaching any factual truth in the matter.

Nah, you have no “noble” reason supporting your posting style.

Proverbs 18:2 “Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.”

Originally Posted by TF49

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Distridr

Worked for a slimy guy who would flaunt(+) his churchgoing and love of God when it was useful to make or save a buck.
A co-worker stated "guys like that make it really tough to defend Christianity".

I would imagine our resident atheists on the 24HCF feel ratified every time one these Christian threads comes up. Some of the reasoning by the faithful makes me wonder.

The atheists are just here to help sort out the "almost atheist" (being those that believe in one god) but the team that you are on can't even get the story straight within the one brand of religion - seems to distract them from reaching any factual truth in the matter.

Nah, you have no “noble” reason supporting your posting style.

Proverbs 18:2 “Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.”

Never mind your own posting style. Log, mote.....?

Originally Posted by TF49

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by Hastings

Originally Posted by Distridr

Worked for a slimy guy who would flaunt(+) his churchgoing and love of God when it was useful to make or save a buck.
A co-worker stated "guys like that make it really tough to defend Christianity".

I would imagine our resident atheists on the 24HCF feel ratified every time one these Christian threads comes up. Some of the reasoning by the faithful makes me wonder.

The atheists are just here to help sort out the "almost atheist" (being those that believe in one god) but the team that you are on can't even get the story straight within the one brand of religion - seems to distract them from reaching any factual truth in the matter.

Nah, you have no “noble” reason supporting your posting style.

Proverbs 18:2 “Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.”

Your good book throws in ditties like that so that it can control you and make you think that you are following the right path. It's just there to make you feel justified in not using logical, critical thinking and flippantly dismissing those that do.

Is that the the type of person promoting pornography to children in grade school? Would not surprise me.

KB

This thread has run again the route so common. Christians discussing -and sometimes arguing - varied ways and means for clarifying important tenets of the faith. Sincere and useful inquiries - some by those apparently wanting to understand more about Christianity and the core beliefs/principles. That positivity far outweighs any perceived differences.

Contrast is introduced by those who show up to interfere and/or undermine the above, and to belittle Christian beliefs and even the Christians themselves - by following that predictable script. Their tactics and behavior bring some negativity, but also a healthy dose of reality about the differences between those who love and wish to serve God - and those who live otherwise.

Sharpening of that contrast between believers and deniers can bring discomfort, but also bring good. It helps heighten awareness and appreciation of the omniscient and omnipotent nature of God as compared with the limited capabilities and knowledge of mankind. It heightens the meaning and impact of faith and intensifies the powerful experience of God's grace and of salvation for eternity.

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

Originally Posted by CCCC

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

No worries, see you around.

Well put cccc! Have a nice evening.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Looks like an insecurity.

Did Jesus come to offer something brand new to the world: a ‘New’ Covenant…the one predicted by the prophet Jeremiah in the Hebrew scriptures…that would forever change mankind’s relationship with God…? And with that New Covenant, did Jesus give a ‘new’ commandment, which raised the ethical bar from treating others based upon one’s personal standard of fairness, to treating others based upon the standard of love that Jesus Himself has shown to us…?

Originally Posted by antlers

And with that New Covenant, did Jesus give a ‘new’ commandment, which raised the ethical bar from treating others based upon one’s personal standard of fairness, to the standard of love that Jesus Himself has shown to us…?

Boom , nicely done.
The same with forgiveness.
The same with Grace.
The same with every positive attribute having to do with being human.

Originally Posted by CCCC

This thread has run again the route so common. Christians discussing -and sometimes arguing - varied ways and means for clarifying important tenets of the faith. Sincere and useful inquiries - some by those apparently wanting to understand more about Christianity and the core beliefs/principles. That positivity far outweighs any perceived differences.

Contrast is introduced by those who show up to interfere and/or undermine the above, and to belittle Christian beliefs and even the Christians themselves - by following that predictable script. Their tactics and behavior bring some negativity, but also a healthy dose of reality about the differences between those who love and wish to serve God - and those who live otherwise.

Sharpening of that contrast between believers and deniers can bring discomfort, but also bring good. It helps heighten awareness and appreciation of the omniscient and omnipotent nature of God as compared with the limited capabilities and knowledge of mankind. It heightens the meaning and impact of faith and intensifies the powerful experience of God's grace and of salvation for eternity.

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

Nicely said....and yes, till the next rodeo.

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by antlers

And with that New Covenant, did Jesus give a ‘new’ commandment, which raised the ethical bar from treating others based upon one’s personal standard of fairness, to the standard of love that Jesus Himself has shown to us…?

Boom , nicely done.
The same with forgiveness.
The same with Grace.
The same with every positive attribute having to do with being human.

Wow! Absolutely!

Some quality stuff being posted.

I would say God is limited, if you will let me, to 2 things.
One, he cannot go against the Word and his promises in Bible and
Two, he cannot take away our human will to choose.

He cannot force you to choose Him. You have to act in faith and ask Him to come into your life with sincerity and deliberate and purposeful will to surrender to Him being your God and not YOU being your God.

"All things are possible with God.."

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

Can't speak for CCCC, but I have no doubt as to your sincerity or thoughtfulness. I also have no doubt that you are deliberately disruptive.

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

DBT, your claims, not mine. When you - and mauser9etc. - were in retreat from that core posit and shouting ad hominem blather back over your shoulders, you claimed that I am stupid, senile, etc., etc..

Come on now, what type of evidence-based "expert" like you would dare chance a guess about "being" on the basis of my stupid/senile utterances? In your vision that atheists are thoughtless, insincere and disruptive, maybe you are simply facing a mirror.

Devoted worship at the throne of human evidence and proof can prove troublesome. Maybe try some delusion/senility/stupidity.

Duh !!

Originally Posted by Raspy

...you said "Trinity" is a word that is not in God the Bible...I agreed with that....then I quoted some religious scholars that came close to the word "Trinity" such as Triad, but no "Trinity" in God the Bible. Hope this helps.

Trinity or Triad, who cares neither word appears in
scripture...the best you got is some 4th century
snake-oil bishop (Nazianus) making schit up.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Looks like an insecurity.

Projecting an imaginary athereal realm friend
in Jesus reeks of insecurity .worse still they try to
sell it to others...Parents often tell their youngsters
to stop with their invisible imaginary friends, then
take them to church to brainwash them into believing in their own invisible friend.

Originally Posted by Simplepeddler

I would say God is limited, if you will let me, to 2 things.
One, he cannot go against the Word and his promises in Bible and
Two, he cannot take away our human will to choose.
.

God hardened pharaohs heart when dealing
with Moses..so much for free will.

Originally Posted by Simplepeddler

He cannot force you to choose Him. You have to act in faith and ask Him to come into your life with sincerity and deliberate and purposeful will to surrender to Him being your God and not YOU being your God.

Xtianity has long violent history of forcing Jesus
on people..and the only evidence such tyrant Xtians
had for their theological claims was a book penned
by man and loaded with flawed argument.

I find it interesting that if I say I believe in the tooth ferry people would just shrug their shoulders and go on with life but if I say I believe in God then the hate manifests and I am marked as a bad guy.

Scott, and others, they are afraid it will rub off.

Fair points, but is that not mixing the Old Testament with the New Testament? People in general used to think tomatoes were poison, but after several hundred years we have moved on no?

I get it, you don’t believe.

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

No worries, see you around.

CCCC cut out coz he painted himself into a corner.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Looks like an insecurity.

Projecting an imaginary athereal realm friend
in Jesus reeks of insecurity .worse still they try to
sell it to others...Parents often tell their youngsters
to stop with their invisible imaginary friends, then
take them to church to brainwash them into believing in their own invisible friend.

Blah blah blah.

You are sure a verbose sombitch for someone who has never said anything.

Nothing wrong with the Old Testament.

An Anthropomorphised Jesus hiding in the heavens alongside the ancient
Greco-Roman Archetype deities (and deified humans like J.Caesar and Augustus)
makes for an interesting mix...I wonder what they talk about?

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Same reason why anyone discusses anything of interest on the internet. Religion is an interesting topic and the forum is open for discussion.

Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Looks like an insecurity.

Perhaps you want it to appear as an insecurity, that way nothing needs to be considered, just dismissed....open questioning not being encouraged in faith.

Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

Can't speak for CCCC, but I have no doubt as to your sincerity or thoughtfulness. I also have no doubt that you are deliberately disruptive.

You are wrong. Your remark is designed to dismiss and discourage what you see as dissent. If you don"t like what is said, just ignore it.

Originally Posted by CCCC

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by CCCC

Surely I am among the lesser learned and lower qualified in these endeavors, and certainly admit to occasionally baiting disruptors and sticking pins into the devil agents - ornery part of my nature as a quite fallible human.

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

DBT, your claims, not mine. When you - and mauser9etc. - were in retreat from that core posit and shouting ad hominem blather back over your shoulders, you claimed that I am stupid, senile, etc., etc..

Come on now, what type of evidence-based "expert" like you would dare chance a guess about "being" on the basis of my stupid/senile utterances? In your vision that atheists are thoughtless, insincere and disruptive, maybe you are simply facing a mirror.

Devoted worship at the throne of human evidence and proof can prove troublesome. Maybe try some delusion/senility/stupidity.

Duh !!

I have never called you senile or stupid. You do engage with ad homs and lies. The lie here is that I called you senile or stupid.

Originally Posted by Starman

An Anthropomorphised Jesus hiding in the heavens alongside the ancient
Greco-Roman Archetype deities (and deified humans like J.Caesar and Augustus)
makes for an interesting mix...I wonder what they talk about?

you , and DBT I'd bet?

What I can say for certain is that my life is way better with Jesus in it than without.

And that is coming from a person that was raised by absolute atheists.

I respect everyone's opinion

KB

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by Starman

An Anthropomorphised Jesus hiding in the heavens alongside the ancient
Greco-Roman Archetype deities (and deified humans like J.Caesar and Augustus)
makes for an interesting mix...I wonder what they talk about?

you , and DBT I'd bet?

Or perhaps all those deluded uppity mono-theists.

Why does ANYONE respond to these atheists? They obviously are very discomforted and uncomfortable with their own “spirituality”. They seem to be drawn like confused (but demonic) moths to a flame whenever there is a thread about our sovereign and mighty God.

Why not just scrape them off like dog crap on the bottom of a shoe and not give them the time of day that they are so obviously craving from believers in our God. They have their choice. Satan’s minions, obviously. Why why why are they so interested in these threads?

Flush them down the toilet and don’t respond to them. They want to create dissension, doubt.and havoc, just like minions of Satan. They have made their choice and rejected God. Let them wallow in their decision and free-will choice… SMH

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by CCCC

With much appreciation for those who bring sincerity and thoughtfulness to these rodeos, and 'til next time.

No worries, see you around.

CCCC cut out coz he painted himself into a corner.

Yep, and he wanted to leave with some sort of smug moral superiority, but even fucked that up.

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

Church trained 'victim status' minds
are often parochial in nature...enough
said.

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by Starman

An Anthropomorphised Jesus hiding in the heavens alongside the ancient
Greco-Roman Archetype deities (and deified humans like J.Caesar and Augustus)
makes for an interesting mix...I wonder what they talk about?

you , and DBT I'd bet?

It's just discussion. Nobody is being forced to participate or comment. Nobody is being persecuted.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

Church trained 'victim status' minds
are often parochial in nature...enough
said.

Fancy word there mate, maybe, just maybe you are narrow-minded?

KB

Here is something I wonder about dogmatic Christians beliefs. Do Y'all believe a person would be denied salvation if they believed Joseph was in fact physically Jesus' father? There are serious arguments that the virgin birth was added in at some point. The genealogies of Jesus while not in agreement trace his line to King David through Joseph. And there is a claim at times made that one of the lines of descent were for Mary which could only be possible if her father's name was Joseph.

Could not God produce a Messiah through natural human reproduction?

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

I dont feel persecuted in the least ? ever.

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

here's a thought, why not start a "this is why I dont believe in God thread" ?

So it really comes down to, what kind of person enjoys making a pest of themselves.

Originally Posted by KillerBee

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

Church trained 'victim status' minds
are often parochial in nature...enough
said.

Fancy word there mate, maybe, just maybe you are narrow-minded?

KB

You want fancy ? Here's some credulous mind
Catholic crapola marketing ..

'transubstantiation'

..😂

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by KillerBee

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

Church trained 'victim status' minds
are often parochial in nature...enough
said.

Fancy word there mate, maybe, just maybe you are narrow-minded?

KB

You want fancy ? Here's some credulous mind
Catholic crapola marketing ..

'transubstantiation'

..😂

Does not apply to me, I am not a church goer, and think the rituals are silly.

What I find even sillier is you athiests posting here trying to convince us that we are stupid for our beliefs.

Why wouldn't you prefer to start an atheist thread and discuss your ideas among yourselves, we really do not need your doubts and ridicule.

KB

Originally Posted by KillerBee

Does not apply to me, I am not a church goer, and think the rituals are silly

KB

Well then Catholics might say you are closed or
narrow minded.

Originally Posted by KillerBee

What I find even sillier is you athiests posting here trying to convince us that we are stupid for our beliefs.

I promote pagan deities as being just as valid
as your choice of g0d...so How do you extract
'atheist' out of that?

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

I dont feel persecuted in the least ? ever.

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

here's a thought, why not start a "this is why I dont believe in God thread" ?

So it really comes down to, what kind of person enjoys making a pest of themselves.

Public forum mate. If the critical questions and logic get too hard and uncomfortable, feeling persecuted and whinging achieves zip for you. Being a sook doesn't help you lot out either, especially considering the atrocities, injustice and immorality routinely carried out as part of your belief system.

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

I dont feel persecuted in the least ? ever.

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

here's a thought, why not start a "this is why I dont believe in God thread" ?

So it really comes down to, what kind of person enjoys making a pest of themselves.

Public forum mate. If the critical questions and logic get too hard and uncomfortable, feeling persecuted and whinging achieves zip for you. Being a sook doesn't help you lot out either, especially considering the atrocities, injustice and immorality routinely carried out as part of your belief system.

where did I whinge?

and speaking of questions Ive asked two which you didnt or arent able to answer.

and what specific atrocities have I personally committed?

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

4th century Emperor Theodosius outlawed polytheism
in favor of state enforced Xtianity..and that was just
the start of a long dark sinister history of Xtianity
that was to last another 1300 + yrs ..thats without
including the Concordat the Church signed with the
Nazis and despot regimes it has colluded with since.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

Emperor Theodosius outlawed polytheism in
favor of state enforced Xtianity..and that was just,
the start of a long dark sinister history of Xtianity.

isnt that very similar to saying , a black man body slammed a woman from Viet Nam and paralyzed her.
After which he stole 4200 dollars before running off.

All black men are evil.

what is the difference ?

Starman and mauserand9mm

You guys make me laugh!

You know if you guys started an atheist thread, I would not go onto it to try to convince you that you were wrong. As I mentioned everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that.

Maybe you should respect other people’s opinions as well?

It’s really not that difficult.

KB

Originally Posted by KillerBee

. As I mentioned everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that.

Didn't you just say that you consider what Catholics
do in ritual as 'silly'..?

Perhaps your own beliefs and practices
have their own silliness.

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

I dont feel persecuted in the least ? ever.

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

here's a thought, why not start a "this is why I dont believe in God thread" ?

So it really comes down to, what kind of person enjoys making a pest of themselves.

Public forum mate. If the critical questions and logic get too hard and uncomfortable, feeling persecuted and whinging achieves zip for you. Being a sook doesn't help you lot out either, especially considering the atrocities, injustice and immorality routinely carried out as part of your belief system.

where did I whinge?

and speaking of questions Ive asked two which you didnt or arent able to answer.

and what specific atrocities have I personally committed?

The issue with faith has nothing to do with you personally or what you have or have not done.

The problems with faith as a concept and a practice is not personal.

The problems arise when believers seek to defend their faith in irrational ways. That's when it becomes personal.

Originally Posted by KillerBee

Starman and mauserand9mm

You guys make me laugh!

You know if you guys started an atheist thread, I would not go onto it to try to convince you that you were wrong. As I mentioned everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that.

Maybe you should respect other people’s opinions as well?

It’s really not that difficult.

KB

Theists are welcome to debate on an atheist thread.

Originally Posted by DBT

Theists are welcome to debate on an atheist thread.

CF history shows theists 'flock' to atheist threads.

Originally Posted by DBT

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

I dont feel persecuted in the least ? ever.

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

here's a thought, why not start a "this is why I dont believe in God thread" ?

So it really comes down to, what kind of person enjoys making a pest of themselves.

Public forum mate. If the critical questions and logic get too hard and uncomfortable, feeling persecuted and whinging achieves zip for you. Being a sook doesn't help you lot out either, especially considering the atrocities, injustice and immorality routinely carried out as part of your belief system.

where did I whinge?

and speaking of questions Ive asked two which you didnt or arent able to answer.

and what specific atrocities have I personally committed?

The issue with faith has nothing to do with you personally or what you have or have not done.

The problems with faith as a concept and a practice is not personal.

The problems arise when believers seek to defend their faith in irrational ways. That's when it becomes personal.

DBT, you are at least honest, and Ive pm'd you thanking you for your civility, and
do so now again.

Will you tell me what enjoyment you get joining a conversation like the thread we're on and being the contrarian, please.
Ive always wanted to understand the why of it.
Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Starman

Originally Posted by KillerBee

. As I mentioned everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that.

Didn't you just say that you consider what Catholics
do in ritual as 'silly'..?

Perhaps your own beliefs and practices
have their own silliness.

I did but I do not walk into a Catholic church and tell them what I think.

I am starting to think that you have the propensity to bloviate, endlessly for no other reason than to convince yourself that you are superior to others. Sad actually, but do feel free to carry on.

KB

Originally Posted by wabigoon

yes , but do they weigh as much as a duck?

If you wonder about DL Moody, he was at the battle of Shilo

Originally Posted by wabigoon

If you wonder about DL Moody, he was at the battle of Shilo

Im more of a Holman/Moody guy, they were at Daytona....back when it was actually about racing.

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by wabigoon

If you wonder about DL Moody, he was at the battle of Shilo

Im more of a Holman/Moody guy, they were at Daytona....back when it was actually about racing.

Lord willing, I'll do business with them later this year.

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Originally Posted by AKA_Spook

Originally Posted by DBT

I guess that means those who you happen to agree with, Christians, not atheists? Atheists being, in your eyes, insincere, disruptive and thoughtless?

I've often wondered why it is atheists enjoy expressing their disbelief on threads obviously started by/for people of faith ?

Too bad you feel persecuted, but it's not like we're on a crusade or anything.

I dont feel persecuted in the least ? ever.

But its strange that someone would go out of their way to disrupt/ challenge/condemn what good people of a similar mindset are discussing.... when not bothering takes considerably less effort.

here's a thought, why not start a "this is why I dont believe in God thread" ?

So it really comes down to, what kind of person enjoys making a pest of themselves.

Public forum mate. If the critical questions and logic get too hard and uncomfortable, feeling persecuted and whinging achieves zip for you. Being a sook doesn't help you lot out either, especially considering the atrocities, injustice and immorality routinely carried out as part of your belief system.

where did I whinge?

LOL!!!!