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No, evolution is a fact and the theory is our way of tying the facts together in order to get a better understanding of it mechanisms.



The facts of evolution are not theories. There are both facts of evolution and theories about the genetic and environmental means of evolution.


I mock no one. Pointing out that evolution is a fact is not mockery. It is expressing the truth. The evidence is there for all see.

How many times does this have to be done before its not dismissed out of hand?


You know that the evidence for evolution has been posted on this forum many times? And that it is readily accessible to anyone doing a simple search.

Try google scholar for countless academic articles and references.



Referring to science is not a retreat. Science has made astounding discoveries about the natural world, astronomy, physics, biology, evolution, etc.

You should try it. Your life is shaped by science. You communicate with phones and computers, you depend on modern medical equipment for your health, etc.

Evolution has stood for more than 150 years of testing and has not been falsified. In fact it has been established as fact.

Faith on the other hand, well, not so much....to put it kindly

So you admit that faith is a mystery. Evolution is however fact, only your wilful ignorance prevents you from realising that.

You confuse the word "create" with "magic".

The honest answer is we don't have all the answers yet. The big lie is saying that we know a god did it. The assumption of a "prime mover" is unsupported by any facts or evidence.

As per my previous responses. You equate creation with magic. We only have evidence for creation from something. You can't demonstrate something from nothing nor agency to have done so - you only have unsubstantiated assertions.

You hurl abuse, lies and accusations, and then come back with some persecution laden excuse. Yeah, fuck off dipshit

You might think you crawled out of a pool of muck ,but since we have the Bible as the infallible word of God ,who ,in 6 days created the world and everything in it ,as surely as the Romans invaded Great Britain in 55 BC ,Christ was born as recorded and all the rest is factual history easily found and accessible.

It is the believer who decares their holy book to be the word of God. It is the believer who endorses the bible, Qur'an, Gita, etc, as being divinely inspired.

The bible, as with the others, is not infallible. Far from it.

I keep waiting for the hundreds of links purporting the non existence of God as proven by science.

Evolution is adaptation renamed, and just as repurposed.
The question for evolutionist's should be "then why are there still monkeys"?

Good Mornin' Y'all !

Thanks God for another day in the upright (albeit slightly bent) stance . Its been a wonderful time thus far!

You are DEAD wrong there - I have equated creation with nothing else whatsoever - you did that. Do not attempt to place words in my mouth. In my understanding, there is NOTHING equal to creation, and the given definition stands.

If you wish to push your theory, this is your opportunity to provide proof for your statement that "Everything that is known to be created has come from something".

It is the non-believer - the denier - who declares the Holy Books of others to not be the word of God.

It is the non-believer - the denier - who declares the Bible, Qur'an, Gita, etc, as not being divinely inspired.

The non-believer - the denier - as with others, is not infallible. Far from it.

Examples of creation? Cars, buildings, the device that you are using to access and respond to at the website. All created by man using natural resources ie from something.

Example of magic? Creating something from nothing. Magic has not been shown to be true but a very reliable way to fool people.

Creations are not made by natural causes and always require agency, and are made from something. All creations demonstrably fit this criteria.

Magic exists in people's heads and not in reality.

You want the definition of creation to encompass magic because it might then provide some çredibility to your favorite fable. You can't just accept your faith as faith and will defend it against all good reason and rationality. Nonsense in lieu of facts and truth.

I keep waiting for ar least one link proving the existence of a god, any god.

Not so.

Our diverse and contradictory collection holy books, the Gita, Quran, Bible, etc, is the evidence for human authorship and human beliefs.

Not because I say so, or that I am a 'Denier,' but that there are contradictions and absurdities. Not only between them, but within each book.

Nor is there anything to be found in the way of knowledge or morality that was not understood at the time. The Greek philosophers did a better job of it....much of which influenced the new testament, Paul copied from Greek philosophers, etc.

Consider the absence of evidence. What reason is there to be convinced Allah exists if there is no evidence for the existence of Allah?

Mauserand9mm: Examples of creation? Cars, buildings, the device that you are using to access and respond to at the website. All created by man using natural resources ie from something. CCCC: You are so far from the fact - those are examples of design and construction - not creation. Done by simple mankind and primarily with already available materials. Not true creation, from nothing.

Example of magic? Creating something from nothing. Magic has not been shown to be true but a very reliable way to fool people.

Creations are not made by natural causes (God, for example, is not a natural cause - the cause is His design) and always require agency (Is not God the agency?), and are made from something (but not necessarily something already in existence) . All creations demonstrably fit this criteria. Not the case. I think you need to do some reading about the nature of creation.

Magic exists in people's heads and not in reality.

You want the definition of creation to encompass magic because it might then provide some çredibility to your favorite fable. You can't just accept your faith as faith and will defend it against all good reason and rationality. Now you are once again going to try to be the great Oz mind reader and try to tell someone what he "wants" and also what he can and cannot accept. You are neither smart enough nor sufficiently perceptive to know and declare what I think of you, let alone state what I want and what I will or will not will accept?. Are you delusional, or simply arrogant?

That is your personal demonstration of "Nonsense in lieu of facts and truth."[/quote]

Not so.

Our diverse and contradictory collection holy books, the Gita, Quran, Bible, etc, is the evidence for human authorship and human beliefs.

Not because I say so, or that I am a 'Denier,' but that there are contradictions and absurdities. Not only between them, but within each book.

Nor is there anything to be found in the way of knowledge or morality that was not understood at the time. The Greek philosophers did a better job of it....much of which influenced the new testament, Paul copied from Greek philosophers, etc.
Please note that the above is an opinion - the view of one simple human - who is presuming to "know" and willing to "declare"- based on that limited view. I perceive it all as denial.

6 days, what are 6 days to God at the center of the universe? The power that created earth was not on earth and now we know the earth and the universe are eons old. And here on earth we have the bones and fossils that prove thousands and millions of years of existence.

Yes we have recorded history of the Romans and other empires and I'm sure that the assertion that Jesus existed is true. I'm sure his basic message survived.

But it is quite a leap to say the Bible is literally true in that the earth was created a few thousand years ago in 6 days of 24 hours each. Surely not the 6 days and nights that we know as 24 hour days? You reckon? There is plenty of evidence to the contrary.