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I did not attack you personally. I am questioning your stance regarding your interpretation of the word fear as it is used in the Word of God. I gave you the Hebrew, and if you really wish to it is easy to dive into the Greek and how the Word of God was translated.

I also question any stance that openly states a portion of the Word is incorrect or untrue. You made an outright statement of such. That IS blasphemy in the very essence of it. If you take my admonishment personally, so be it. I felt led to address it in hopes you will see how that statement can cause division among believers as well as a stumbling block to those seeking God.

As believers, how we communicate and act means much to those unbelievers who are looking for truth and enlightenment.

Strong instruction in the Bible exists. It is up to the believer to seek it out.
Broad-brushing all religion and churches is a mistake.
Of course there are false teachings, teachers, leaders and even fake followers. The Word still stands strong.

May each person who reads and participates in this discussion find peace, the answers to their questions and a growth in their faith. May those who continue to disbelieve have opportunity to continue their search for the answers they seek.

It's ironic, I obviously don't care if I'm judged my men... you can't deny you use my name and blasphemy together... it's the typical christian response.

You are all over the place on biblical belief demonstrated by your own words.

Kent

Kent, I'm sorry it has turned to this. I stand fully in everything I have said here and testify to it as my faith, led by the Holy Spirit.
I see we are at impasse, so I will walk away.
In sharing our beliefs, I sincerely hope we can also share in prayer of understanding and concern for each other in our daily walk with Christ.
And in our commission, given by Christ, to love one another and spread the Word of good news to those who wish to hear it.
WT

Just to be clear, I have not questioned your salvation, commitment to God.

I have responded to your engagement to me, I am intitled to do so and to stand for my faith.

Kent

Anyway, I have grandkids waking up for breakfast, baseball and soccer games to get them to.

Carry on...

Kent

Psalm 118:24
"This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it."

Enjoy each and every moment!

It proved that when you tell the truth it can get you killed.

They knew who Jesus was and killed him anyway for threatening their hold on power. They at the very least understood he was a prophet and was exposing their sham that was not the Jewish religion except in name.

Telling the truth nowadays can get you locked up or killed by the government even in the supposedly free North American countries of the USA and Canada.

Jeremiah 17:9

[9] The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?


The heart is a perpetual factory of idols.

The man who finds “God” in his mind and thoughts outside or without scripture has made God in his image and worships a god of his own making. Such a man repeats the sin of Cain.

You remind me of what Mark Twain said about scientists. "It is fascinating what a whole sale lot of conjectures a scientist can come up with from such a trifling investment of acts."

In your post above there is no indication Satan can go before the Most High anytime he might want. There's not enough information in the Text to let us know if this happens everyday, or once every century.

The idea a person can casually appear before God is discredited by Jesus Himself. Jesus tells us when people at the time of His life on earth died they either went to a fiery torment or Abraham's bosom.

The idea Job, if that's what you are referring to, is not an allegory. One must see the Whole Book (Bible) to know what God says about Job. God includes Job and Daniel and Noah as three righteous men in at least two places I can remember immediately.

About Satan be banished or thrown out. We know Satan was thrown out of heaven when he lost his battle with Michael. That in no way says God, the owner of everything created, can't at His discretion call Satan or any other created being to come before Him at His desire.

Now a little from God's Word found in the book of Job.
In human terms, we might say, "God was proud of His adopted child, Job." In a conversation between God and Satan, we find God is the One Who brings up Job; not the reverse. Satan then proceeds to remind God that He has been protecting Job. God is then challenged by Satan to,
"'Put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face.'" (Job 1:11)

Job continued to believe God was responsible I will quote Job 19:21, 30:11a, 31:23.
"'Pity me, pity me, O you my friends, for the hand of God has struck me.'" "'Because He has loosed His bowstring and afflicted me." "'For calamity from God is a terror to me, and because of His majesty I can do nothing.'"

Jesus was very clear in one of His teachings one should be careful that the "light in them is not darkness." Of course, the one in darkness thinks they are fine. Remember Jesus's Words about, "depart from Me. I never knew you," to some who actually believed in Him.

Fantastic post. A thought I have not thought, but will not forget.

Interesting that some believe in and promote the Holy Spirit but not so much the Word. The Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead that wrote the Word. The Word of God is from God, 1 Thess 2:13.

Baffling how one can believe in and promote the Holy Spirit, but downplay and minimize the Word, which is Jesus, God. The Holy Spirit superintends the job of transmitting the truth through revelation. The Bible says all scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, training, and correcting in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16

The living Word is the written Word. Jesus is the Word, and it is through the written Word that we know about the living Word. The Word of God is powerful and alive, Hebrews 4:12.

Jesus Himself said the scriptures testify about Him, John 5:39-40. Jesus said in John 6:63 that the words He speaks are spirit and life.

Jesus said, “It’ll be easier for the universe to cease than for one stroke of the letter to fail,”
Luke 16:17. Jesus also said, “If you continue in my Word, you are truly disciples of mine.”
John 8:31

Some, though, want to stubbornly believe their own theology is far superior to scripture…

There sure were a lotta Christians…a lot of em’…before any Christian documents were ever even written.

How do you know that?

Genuine question…

‘The Word’ in John 1:1 is clearly referring to Jesus Himself. It is NOT referring to ‘scripture.’

The earliest Christian documents were written in the late 40’s A.D.. Jesus was crucified in the early 30’s A.D.. That’s 15 years of Christianity right there before any Christian documents were ever even written.

Truth

And many of those earliest Christian documents are what we refer to as scripture today.

Point being, the foundation of your oft-repeated suggestions regarding scripture which aren’t false is scripture itself.

And that’s ok. Doesn’t mean you “worship scripture”…

Point bein’ is that those Christians that I was referring to clearly found God “outside or without” Christian scripture because none of it had even been written yet.

Correct.

Because they were either eye witnesses to or knew eye witnesses to the historic truths central to Christianity.

But we don’t have those, so it’s ok when you use scripture as an authoritative source of information concerning the truth of those historic events.