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Being that you hold that the body is not resurrected, where will will your spirit reside eternally?

God is spirit

Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Study to show yourself approved, a workman that need not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.

I think the King James translators did the most accurate job they could do. The problem is that one can only translate into the thoughts and concepts common to one's culture and history. The King James is translated by a cultural monarchy and the understanding of scripture is greatly influenced by it. It's hard to not picture God as King and all of us as his subjects. Many times, the translators have added words and phrases intending to add clarity to the understanding, but they clearly change meanings sometimes that reflect the culture of the translators.

Jesus is incarnate with flesh and blood and ascended the same. He taught of the resurrection from the dead where the whole of a man, body soul and spirit, will be restored to live eternally on the earth with Christ.

As with most other translations they did not place their culture within the text. They meticulously translated from the original manuscripts that were available.


When comparisons are done of good modern translations the variation from the KJV is pretty much nil. NASB and ESV are two good examples and both translated from within cultures vastly different than early 17th century England.

See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

this is interesting. Where does Jesus' spirit reside.?

So there’s gonna be an incarnation Christ with a bunch of human spirits hovering around?

Christ has always been the physical embodiment of the Godhead. He took on physical form when incarnate. It is in that state that he ascended and promised to return.

God is spirit

Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there.

I think the King James translators did the most accurate job they could do. The problem is that one can only translate into the thoughts and concepts common to one's culture and history. The King James is translated by a cultural monarchy and the understanding of scripture is greatly influenced by it. It's hard to not picture God as King and all of us as his subjects. Many times, the translators have added words and phrases intending to add clarity to the understanding, but they clearly change meanings sometimes that reflect the culture of the translators.[/quote]

I'll buy that.
In the first 4-5 years of my life, I spoke only German.
There are still words I remember that I speak with other German speaking people that do not translate into English. The concept translates but it takes more than a word to convey it.
Someone not versed would likely be a bit confused and ask for an explanation.

I can imagine doing the same from Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew to early English and needing to add or deduct text.

"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you"

I am not saying they intentionally manipulated the scripture. What I am saying is that certain concepts and ideas in the translation are influenced by culture. It can't be otherwise because you are trying to translate thoughts and ideas of other cultures into your own anytime any translation is made.

I'll but that.
In the first 4-5 years of my life, I spoke only German.
There are still words I remember that I speak with other German speaking people that do not translate into English. The concept translates but it takes more than a word to convey it.
Someone not versed would likely be a bit confused and ask for an explanation.

I can imagine doing the same from Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew to early English and needing to add or deduct text.[/quote]


Were you raised Lutheran?

I do not disagree. Does he exist now as flesh and blood or as spirit ? and if the former is the case does anyone know where?


to the extent that we received religious training , yes, loosely

my parents were people who were refugees during the war and I'm not sure they held a strong sense of God after that experience.

I can understand your point but in my mind it would seem that those influences would be quite different in our day and cause the good modern translations to be significantly different from KJV. That doesn’t seem to be the case.

There are a lot of points where the specific terms are a bit weird. I try to go back to a Greek reference when I find questions about language.

A former pastor who was trained in the original languages, made an interesting comment to me years ago. He said that to learn the Greek and Hebrew, and read the text in the original language, made it come to life in a way that our language cannot convey. Based on my experiences and trying to look at the original tracks for clarification, I’d have to say that I agree with him.

would you believe....
I have friends who attended "Hebrew School" as kids that say something very similar about reading Torah from right to left.

I would not doubt that for a minute. With my limited ability, looking into the original language as needed it safe to say that they are just some things that don’t translate well.