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As I see it, Jesus is the founder of Christianity.

Regardless of who it was who first saw Jesus alive after His death, and regardless of Paul taking the message of Jesus’ resurrection to the Jews and to the Gentiles, and regardless of “the Jewish Christians such as the Ebionites and Nazarenes,” their messages were all based on Jesus.

Without the book....the one printed and edited by man...you are peckered to eternal damnation?

seemingly disqualifying the greater portion of the population of the planet at any given time, wow

When did "Christianity" leave Jesus his teachings, and if you will, his doctrine?

The original version of Christianity…the one modeled and taught by Jesus’ and His apostles and His earliest followers in the first century…never left any of that.

antlers,

Rather than answer each of your thoughts, I will give a couple answers. The Founder of Christianity is Jesus. 1 Corinthians 3:11. The apostles built on that foundation. People at that time were no different from folks today. Some wrote about what was happening. You have no idea what manuscripts these early believers wrote and passed around. That's why the when the New Testament was canonized the Holy Spirit rejected some of the material available. I am convinced on at least two occasions the Holy Spirit directed me. These experience were so vivid I have not forgotten them 48 years later. These experiences convince me the canonizer had no trouble compiling, with the direction of the Holy Spirit, the Old and New Testaments we use today.

Concerning the Holy Spirit. The Master tells us the Holy Spirit will guide us into all Truth. Jesus claims to be the Truth. Therefore if the Holy Spirit guides He will guide us according to what one finds in God's Word the Bible. The Holy Spirit will never lead one away from the Bible or lead them contrary to what's in the Bible.

You are caught up on something, if you didn't have the Bible, you have no way of knowing about: The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Jesus agrees with you. He says, "Few there be who will be saved." I am baffled by what I know and don't know about God.

You don’t need to own the book, but you do need what’s in it. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and the life, and that no man comes to the father except through him. If my neighbor dies without hearing that, then shame on me.

It isn’t even close to legalism.

I was born and raised in an anabaptist denomination that developed in the Susquehanna River valley in the 1730’s. The emphasis was on a law based Gospel and pious loving as a means of being holy and earning salvation. The church that I was raised in has an emphasis on personal holiness, pietism, charismaticism and works.


I spent the greater part of the last 36 years of my life unraveling myself from that bull-sh-it and nothing that o write is remotely related to legalism. To stay that I hate the practice and teaching of the heresy is an understatement of exponential proportion.

Your characterization of historic Christianity as being legalistic is either an indication of ignorance or of willful miss characterization.

I’m just a hick from south central Kentucky that was forced to do a lot of study over about thirty years in order to unlearn all of the legalistic crap theology that I was taught as a kid.

It’s been an interesting ride for the last 36 years. I may miss a step or two:

Anabaptist/holiness/pietistic/charismatic

To

Wesleyan Holiness

To

Church of the Nazarene

To

Christian church

To

Seeker Sensitive (Willow Creek style)

To

Southern baptist

To

No church


To

Home church

To

Presbyterian

To

Reformed Baptist

To

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod


At each step, against my wishes, I have been forced to make 4 major changes along the way. I’m still willing to embrace truth as God reveals it but I really do think, after years of struggling with these issues I am now home.

’You’, and ‘your’ interpretation of Christianity…in my estimation, from a lot of what I’ve seen you post here on these type of threads…comes across as being theologically and/or religiously legalistic. To the Nth degree.

Which proves that your comprehension of legalism is wrong.

I don’t share my interpretation of scripture. That is what you and every other Gnostic-spiritualist contributing to this thread contribute.

What I share is the best understanding that I have of the Christian faith after 36 years of trying to figure it out. I’m not telling you what I’ve found out through “personal revelation” or secret meetings with the Holy Spirit while on a vision quest.

So ‘your’ understanding of the ministry of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Himself sent to His followers consists of “secret meetings with the Holy Spirit while on a vision quest”…?

There is no book of Ringman in the bible... yet we must endure the chapter and verse of Ringman in his judgment.

IZH27... you have been consistently in search of your faith, which confuses you when seeing the steady faith of others.

WMR... you only see the biblical in your faith and not the biblical in others.

My faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit is 100% supported biblically.

The beginning of Christianity very well could be attributed to John the Baptist, the Holy Spirit in the womb, the wilderness...

Kent

What I have discovered about those who accuse of legalism or legalistic beliefs attack those of us of trying to earn our salvation. But that is not it. It is exactly 180 degrees off. We who love the Lord enough to obey His instructions in the New Testament love the Lord and obey from a humble heart. We share our love of Jesus by word and deed. I remember a neighbor who knew many in our small community claimed to be Christian. We were rural enough my official address was "a little past the bridge". One day he told me, "I like your living religion. None of the others have ever stopped by to volunteer when I was having trouble." He also told me, "I'm going to get by without God." By the way those who did not stop were "led by the Holy Spirit". My experience with Holy Spirit people generally matches my experience with you. They reject obeying Jesus on the grounds they are being led by the Holy Spirit.

I had an experience, which I am convinced was from the Lord, but was not all mystical with the Holy Spirit prompting me. I was talking with a friend I knew since the forth grade in school. He was not a believer in anything except himself. He was philosophical, though. I brought up Christian perfection as a topic. He said, "You're not perfect." He was not attacking like some here do. "What do you see wrong in my Christian life?" I asked. "You speed," he said. By then I had been a Christian a couple years. Speed limits were for everyone who wished to obey them, as far as I was concerned. My speed limit was about 80 to 90 MPH on the freeway and as fast as the road would allow most other places. The national speed limit at the time was 55MPH. The Holy Spirit never lead me to obey the speed limit. But as soon as he said that, I realized I was sinning and needed to repent. Since then I obey the speed limit. Why? Because God's Word tells us to submit to authority and governments are established by God. He continues: Those who resist the government are resisting God.

Before I post something about judgement, I will ask you, do you accept the New Testament as authoritive for the Chrisitan? Based on your answer I will proceed or not on the discussion of judging.

I was prophetic...

Kent

Do you accept the authority of the Holy Spirit in John the Baptist in the womb, in his solitude, in his prophetic, the sanctity of his baptisms?

Kent

My vein of faith does not have to be authoritated by 100% of the bible, but by part of the bible 100%.

Kent

There is absolutely no confusion. I am at peace in Christ. I need nothing else.


Any time we see spirits talking to people within the text of Scripture outside those texts where God dealt with direct revelation concerning Christ its a sh-it your pants things going sideways moment.

You guys keep taking to the spirits all that you want. I pray that you soon have revealed to you the true nature of that with which you are dealing.

The syncretism of your gnostic, spiritualist and post modern/post post modern views are certainly not scriptural. Why would you even say that when you claim that the Holy Spirit has taught you what you know?

What you guys claim as Christianity isn’t found in the text of scripture nor is it found in the earliest church writings after the apostles deaths other than where those teachings are denounced as not being part of the faith and pracitice.