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It is the greatest story ever told. Barraras, Pontius Pilate, the two thieves.

Who's the caucasian whitey in that image? Was he a friend of Jesus'? (below)




Should this be the image you're looking for be this one?:





By the way, what was the sacrifice? Did Jesus go to hell on everyone's behalf? Or was the few days as a zombie it?

If she said 'in her faith as an atheist' she has very little understanding of atheism or logic.

"Many are called, few are chosen."

That's a different context. Genesis describes literal days in human terms. Morning and evening of each day is not "God Time,' but a period daylight from morning to evening, one day. However God is supposed to experience time has no relevance to "the morning of the first day and the evening of the first day," etc.

Yes, and they died with such a horrific death.

Yes, one of my favorites...(Matthew 22:1-14).....There is a general call that goes out to all people. Some who hear the call and respond, want to attend the feast on their terms and not on the King’s terms. In comparison, those who are called with the effectual calling come to the feast on the King’s terms. They are provided with the garment for the feast, the garment of righteousness.

"The Lord works in strange, and mysterious ways."

Well, this is interesting.... you note that there is "God Time" and there is time "... in human terms." I like that distinction and your characterization may be pretty much correct.

"God Time" and "Human Time" .... "Humans are made of "matter".... atoms and what not and we live in a physical world. God is "Spirit" and is "not matter."

Given that brief introduction, what follows, while lengthy, is the most interesting point of view I have ever seen regarding "time."

Lifted....

So you have to think of a time when the earth didn't exist if you go back far enough. So in your mind go back just as far as you can possibly think back. Now as you go back in your mind, as far as you can go back, there comes a point, it's sort of a vanishing point. In other words, you just can't think of anything before that. It sort of fades out into a vanishing point. That's this Hebrew word everlasting, from this vanishing point.

Now in your mind think forward as far as you can think on into eternity. Now they say that if a little bird will go down here to Huntington Beach and take a drop of water in its beak out of the surf there, and every morning as the sun would rise, would take one hop towards New York. And when the little bird arrived in New York, it would drop that water in New York harbor. And then start back a hop a day towards Huntington Beach again. By the time that little bird emptied the Pacific Ocean into the Atlantic Ocean, the first day of eternity would just be getting its start. So think of out in the future to the vanishing point, you know. You think out so far and then it just vanishes. So the Hebrew word has that as its meaning. Actually, literally from the vanishing point as far as I can think until my mind just hits the vanishing point, to as far out as I can think this way, till my mind hits the vanishing point, you're God. You've existed. You will exist.

There is even a Hebrew word that is stronger than that. It is beyond the vanishing point. You know, when I get to the vanishing point, and then out beyond that. And that's the strongest word in Hebrew for the eternity. It's beyond the vanishing point. But vanishing point is far enough for me. From everlasting to everlasting God has existed.

You turn man to destruction; and you say, Return, ye children of men. For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night ( Psalms 90:3-4 ).

So the relativity of time. A thousand years is just like a day as far as the Lord is concerned. Now Peter tells this in talking to us about the coming again of Jesus Christ. He said, "In the last days, there will be scoffers that will come saying, 'Oh, where is the promise of His coming? Since our fathers have fallen asleep, everything continues as they were from the beginning.'" ( 2 Peter 3:3 , 2 Peter 3:4 ) God's not going to come. You know, where is it? Where is the promise? He is not here. And Peter said you've got to realize that a thousand years is as a day unto the Lord and a day is as a thousand years. So time is only relative to us. We think in the terms of time. We always think in terms of linear time. Here's the beginning; here's the end. Here's my birth; here's my death. Time in a linear way.

But that's because we are involved in matter. But if we weren't matter, then time wouldn't matter. Time only matters to matter. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, actually, time doesn't exist. Only except in matter. And so time can be stretched if you're going fast enough. So, in according to his theory, that if you can accelerate yourself to the speed of light, time would stand still. So if you could accelerate yourself to the speed of light and head out for the Andromeda galaxy, about... oh, let's not go to the Adromeda galaxy, that's too far. Let's go to Proxima, or Alpha Centauri. They're our closest solar neighbors. Traveling on this ray of light you could get to Centauri, Alpha Centauri, you could get there in four-and-a-half years. You could make the round-trip in nine years. But when you got back though, you would be the same age. Time would have stood still for you because of the speed at which you were traveling. When you got back, the earth would be nine years older. Your wife would be nine years older than you are at this point. Now, if you went further, if you did go to Andromeda galaxy, one million five hundred thousand light years out there, you'd come back in three million years. Now the whole earth would be different by that time. You'd look around you wouldn't find any of your friends. But you would only be, you know, a matter of hours older, because time would have stood still because of the speed you were traveling. Because if you travel that fast, you're going to turn into energy, and because you have no materials, you're just energy at that point, then time ceases to exist. This is the idea of the relativity, Einstein's theory of relativity. And so there's no way that we can really prove it. So you just have to accept it because he was a smart man.

But it is interesting that the Bible does hint to relativity of time as far as God is concerned. "A thousand years in Your sight is like yesterday when it's past." And, as Peter said, "A day is as a thousand years to the Lord, a thousand years is as a day."

Now that is interesting in the light of in the book of Hosea, he speaks of Israel sort of being out of the land, dispersed for two years. And he said, "And in the third year, I will raise her up and she will dwell in the land." Or, "for two days," rather, "and in the third day... " "After two days He will revive us, and in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight" ( Hosea 6:2 ). And so Israel was destroyed and dispersed from the land for about two thousand years. And now they've been raised up again. And so, a thousand years is as a thousand years to the Lord... a day is as a thousand years.

So you say, "Oh, but the Lord's waiting so long to come back." Yeah, a couple days. Relativity of time.

You carry them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which grows up. In the morning it flourishes, it grows up; in the evening and it cuts down, and withers ( Psalms 90:5-6 )

So life is just so temporal.

We are consumed by your anger, and by your wrath we are troubled. You have set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins are in the light of your countenance. For all of our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told ( Psalms 90:7-9 ).

Now, not only is time relative, and this is where we really come into trouble understanding this, because it really begins to get weird at this point. When you are released from this linear timeframe that we are existing in, and you can enter into the timelessness of eternity, there is then no past and or no future, but everything is present, because now you're released from time. And in time, we know past, present, future. But released from the linear time zone, then the past or the future do not exist; everything is now in the present. Now the writer of Eccleciastes tried to describe that and he only made it more confusing. But, of course, our minds can't grasp it anyhow, so it would just boggle our minds to try to conceive it.

But that which is past, he said, is now. And that which shall be has already been. And God requires that which is past. So figure that one out and you've got eternity wired. Everything happening now, so that in this relativity of time, in reality, our lives are spent like a story that's already been told. We're like a re-run as far as God is concerned, because God living outside of the time dimension can see the whole picture at once.


So, yes, I suppose the creation days could be six literal days... but perhaps there is more to it than that.....

One thing about it, it worked.

How do you know that?

And applicable to all gods, ghosts and fairies?

You not only did not read the entire article but you also could not grasp the concept presented.

Edit to add: "Ridicule is a public confession of fear."

"Living outside of the time dimension' is bad new age philosophy and religious rationale. If time is our measurement of rates of change, without 'time' there is no change, and if God is 'outside time,' God is unable to act, He/She is frozen out of time.

Plus even as a poor rationale it doesnt work because Genesis clearly specifies time, a day, the period between sunrise and sunset, morning and evening.....and if God created the universe during that specified period of time, God was operating within time, God was not 'outside of time,' but acting within it.

No it's not - that's a stupid thing to say. My question is an honest one. Prove that "because God living outside of the time dimension can see the whole picture at once." is true, starting with a god existing in the first place, then move on to her/his/its capabilities.

Nope, again you misunderstand.....the burden of proof is not mine. You however do have the task of seeking and finding. Whistling in the graveyard is a poor strategy.

I wonder what Jesus has to say about closet and open gay preachers

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Whether or not the "rationale" is bad or good is not pertinent to the discussion of "time." You seem to be backing away from the discussion of "time" ..... and the distinction you made.

Try to get "scientific" for a moment.

Try this.... can a non-corporeal entity... one that is not bound by matter..... exist outside of "human time?"

You made this distinction, not me....