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Do you believe in the Trinity, the Triune God? To believe that you first have to believe against all evidence that Jesus was God. A claim he never made. He was a lot of things such as messenger from God, Messiah, prophet, Rabbi (teacher), he had supernatural healing power, etc. But the Roman church and subsequently its descendants stitched a bunch onto Jesus and his teachings. A simple message has become pretty messed up by folks with various agendas. There you go yet again calling God a liar and rejecting His Holy Word. Jesus said He is God, John 10:30 John said Jesus is God, John 1:1-5, 14 (clearly says Jesus is God) Thomas said Jesus is God, John 20:28 Peter said Jesus is God, 2 Peter 1:1 Paul said Jesus is God, 1 Timothy 3:16, Titus 2:13 Jude said Jesus is God, Jude 1:1 James said Jesus is God, James 1:1 If Jesus is not God, His death could not have paid for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 Only God could pay for the sins of the entire world by dying, being buried, and then being resurrected, 2 Corinthians 5:21 The Father and Jesus are equally God, the same God, 1 Corinthians 8:6 Once again, the Word of God clearly proves Jesus is God. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”, Revelation 1:8 Pretty simple to understand that Jesus is God, but the message has gotten messed up by messed-up folks. YOUR agenda is pretty obvious. When your knees bow before Jesus, are you going to have the audacity to tell Him that He isn’t God? I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Your first scripture, John 10:30 proves it. What do you think of John 17:20-22? Aren't we, in that same way, all God? All that are saved, that is.
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No. That’s not just it. You intentionally insinuated that I asserted that Jesus and His apostles leveraged “the law” when I clearly did not assert that. Have you no shame…? Ace. You need to figure out one version and go with it. Christ taught himself from scripture. The Apostles taught Christ and the Gospel from scripture, what you call the Hebrew Scriptures. The whole of your unorthodox version of the Gospel and history of the church,even church history, crumples and falls. I don’t believe for one nanosecond that the Holy Spirit took you down that path. Do you follow the path of error all on your own. Detract much…?
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There sure were a lotta Christians…a lot of em’…before any Christian documents were ever even written. Christ taught of Himself from the texts of the OT. The OT was about Christ per His proclamation. He taught the Apostles to preach the Gospel from the OT content and they did. It is impossible to get past this fact unless one simply ignores it. To ignore this fact is to ignore Christ’s testimony about Himself. Yep, Jesus and His apostle’s appropriately leveraged the Old Testament when they were makin’ their case to their ‘Jewish’ brothers and sisters. But when the Gospel was being preached to the Gentiles (non-Jews), they weren’t havin’ verses from the Old Testament fired at em’, a more recent development was emphasized. Current events sufficed.
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Christ and the apostles leveraged the law? Not sure what you mean by that…
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Exactly ace. I STILL am not certain as with most things that you say.
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Do you believe in the Trinity, the Triune God? To believe that you first have to believe against all evidence that Jesus was God. A claim he never made. He was a lot of things such as messenger from God, Messiah, prophet, Rabbi (teacher), he had supernatural healing power, etc. But the Roman church and subsequently its descendants stitched a bunch onto Jesus and his teachings. A simple message has become pretty messed up by folks with various agendas. There you go yet again calling God a liar and rejecting His Holy Word. Jesus said He is God, John 10:30 John said Jesus is God, John 1:1-5, 14 (clearly says Jesus is God) Thomas said Jesus is God, John 20:28 Peter said Jesus is God, 2 Peter 1:1 Paul said Jesus is God, 1 Timothy 3:16, Titus 2:13 Jude said Jesus is God, Jude 1:1 James said Jesus is God, James 1:1 If Jesus is not God, His death could not have paid for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 Only God could pay for the sins of the entire world by dying, being buried, and then being resurrected, 2 Corinthians 5:21 The Father and Jesus are equally God, the same God, 1 Corinthians 8:6 Once again, the Word of God clearly proves Jesus is God. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”, Revelation 1:8 Pretty simple to understand that Jesus is God, but the message has gotten messed up by messed-up folks. YOUR agenda is pretty obvious. When your knees bow before Jesus, are you going to have the audacity to tell Him that He isn’t God? I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Your first scripture, John 10:30 proves it. What do you think of John 17:20-22? Aren't we, in that same way, all God? Yes. In fact, the entire chapter of John 17 (Jesus praying) is great. Understanding the deity of Jesus is crucial to salvation. A false Jesus can’t save us. If we don’t get Jesus right, we will die in our sin John 8:24. I think the verse is specifically referring to the personal sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord.
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JESUS CHRIST IS LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
THE BEGINNING AND THE END.
THE LIGHT, THE TRUTH, THE CREATOR.
THE CREATOR OF LIFE.
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The Jews picked up rocks and threw em’ at Jesus because He claimed to be God. Multiple times.
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Is that supposed to be a definition of how you’re using the word leverage? Asking because I still don’t know. Leverage is a mechanical term. Are you using it metaphorically as an analogy?
Whatever you mean but I’m not really sure that it matters in the sense of what was happening. Jesus was using the documented accounts of Christ be mentioned in the Old Testament and told in the Old Testament to preach the gospel the good news of Christ to the Jewish nation During his ministry.
Regardless of what you mean by leverage, and I’m still curious as to what you mean, Jesus, preached himself from the old testament text. That is not even a question of fact. It is documented and excepted throughout the history of the church throughout the history of the old testament.
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I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Again, I concur.
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Do you believe in the Trinity, the Triune God? To believe that you first have to believe against all evidence that Jesus was God. A claim he never made. He was a lot of things such as messenger from God, Messiah, prophet, Rabbi (teacher), he had supernatural healing power, etc. But the Roman church and subsequently its descendants stitched a bunch onto Jesus and his teachings. A simple message has become pretty messed up by folks with various agendas. There you go yet again calling God a liar and rejecting His Holy Word. Jesus said He is God, John 10:30 John said Jesus is God, John 1:1-5, 14 (clearly says Jesus is God) Thomas said Jesus is God, John 20:28 Peter said Jesus is God, 2 Peter 1:1 Paul said Jesus is God, 1 Timothy 3:16, Titus 2:13 Jude said Jesus is God, Jude 1:1 James said Jesus is God, James 1:1 If Jesus is not God, His death could not have paid for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 Only God could pay for the sins of the entire world by dying, being buried, and then being resurrected, 2 Corinthians 5:21 The Father and Jesus are equally God, the same God, 1 Corinthians 8:6 Once again, the Word of God clearly proves Jesus is God. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”, Revelation 1:8 Pretty simple to understand that Jesus is God, but the message has gotten messed up by messed-up folks. YOUR agenda is pretty obvious. When your knees bow before Jesus, are you going to have the audacity to tell Him that He isn’t God? I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Your first scripture, John 10:30 proves it. What do you think of John 17:20-22? Aren't we, in that same way, all God? Yes. In fact, the entire chapter of John 17 (Jesus praying) is great. Understanding the deity of Jesus is crucial to salvation. A false Jesus can’t save us. If we don’t get Jesus right, we will die in our sin John 8:24. I think the verse is specifically referring to the personal sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord. I would say that understanding the exchange with Jesus is crucial to salvation. Just knowing Jesus is God is something even demons know according to scripture. Jesus becomes sin for you, you become righteousness in him. Without understanding his deity, you can't understand yours after the exchange. It is crucial that Christians understand that they aren't just forgiven but completely transformed. Salvation is an exchange of your sin for God's righteousness through sacrifice and by faith.
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I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Again, I concur. Are you also oneness Pentecostal? Do you believe that Jesus is one distinct person of the triune God?
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I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Again, I concur. Are you also oneness Pentecostal? Do you believe that Jesus is one distinct person of the triune God? I've never studied what I am or been concerned about classifying myself. To answer your question, it would depend on exactly what you mean by that. I do believe that to be saved is to be one Spirit with God. I don't know what oneness doctrine teaches.
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Modal ism is a heresy from the third century that teaches but there’s only one God not three persons, God varying between father, son, and Holy Spirit. I’m not sure when somewhere along the way some sex Pentecostalism adopted modal ism as a few of God, a single me rather than Trinity.
If one were a mods list and agreed that Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of God is meaning of to Christ this would be quite different than the understanding of the trinitarian. Each person could make an agree with the same statement that but each something totally different.
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I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Again, I concur. Are you also oneness Pentecostal? Do you believe that Jesus is one distinct person of the triune God? I've never studied what I am or been concerned about classifying myself. To answer your question, it would depend on exactly what you mean by that. I do believe that to be saved is to be one Spirit with God. I don't know what oneness doctrine teaches. I believe that we were indwelt by the Holy Spirit obviously, I don’t believe that the relationship functions in the same way that several of you guys do. When you say that to be saved is to be one spirit with God, what does that mean? I’m not Cecilia with that phrase concerning the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
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Modal ism is a heresy from the third century that teaches but there’s only one God not three persons, God varying between father, son, and Holy Spirit. I’m not sure when somewhere along the way some sex Pentecostalism adopted modal ism as a few of God, a single me rather than Trinity.
If one were a mods list and agreed that Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of God is meaning of to Christ this would be quite different than the understanding of the trinitarian. Each person could make an agree with the same statement that but each something totally different. I believe in the trinity. I kind of see it as a moot point though. I mean I believe in it because it's what the bible teaches as far as I can determine, but because everyone born again has somehow been immersed into God in the Spirit and because Jesus and God are in some way one that means that we are all one together in that sense, it makes arguing about the trinity pointless. BTW that immersed I mentioned could also be translated baptized, which is the real meaning of being baptized in Christ.
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I believe Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Again, I concur. Are you also oneness Pentecostal? Do you believe that Jesus is one distinct person of the triune God? I've never studied what I am or been concerned about classifying myself. To answer your question, it would depend on exactly what you mean by that. I do believe that to be saved is to be one Spirit with God. I don't know what oneness doctrine teaches. I believe that we were in wealth by the Holy Spirit obviously, I don’t believe that the relationship functions in the same way that several of you guys do. When you say that to be saved is to be one spirit with God, what does that mean? I’m not Cecilia with that phrase concerning the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I was paraphrasing 1 Cor.6:17 but Paul actually outlined it in Rom.6:1-11
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On the last night before He was killed, Jesus told His followers, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor, Counselor, Strengthener), to be with you forever — the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive (and take to its heart) because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He (the Holy Spirit) remains with you continually and will be in you.” Later on, Jesus told His followers that, “the Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor, Counselor, Strengthener), the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name (in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf), He will teach you all things. And He will help you remember everything that I have told you.” And then Jesus says a most interesting thing to His followers; He says, “Peace I leave with you; My (perfect) peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid. (Let My perfect peace calm you in every circumstance and give you courage and strength for every challenge).” Amplified Bible
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Enough to fairly easily find heresies and heretical teachings.
Modalism is not only a heresy but also blasphemous. Then why are you pursuing it? Kent
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I was paraphrasing 1 Cor.6:17 but Paul actually outlined it in Rom.6:1-11 I would think twice or three times before I swallowed a story from a man that makes claims on personal meetings with a risen Jesus when Jesus warned just such a thing would happen. Also a man prone to trances or dreams that were obviously hallucinations. And he came up with a doctrine so different from the one believed in by the first Christians in Jerusalem and Asia Minor that he had to be escorted out under guard to protect him from the members of the church he was trying to usurp. And never forget that the Christians in Asia Minor ended up rejecting Paul. Were they all wrong? After all Jesus could have addressed the issue firmly in The Revelation but all he did was commend Ephesus for giving Paul the boot. If Paul was to be defended James would have done it, John of Patmos would have done it. And before you trot out 2nd Peter understand all evidence is that it is a forgery.
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