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Nothing flying but the F-22 has a chance with it at the merge or in any aspect.

FACT.

Show me the V/N diagrams on the 35 (Hint: they are classified so I know you haven't seen them. Hint #2 I have) and then maybe we can discuss. Hint# 3 there are QUITE A FEW Fourth Generation fighters with superior V?N diagrams to the 35. Both the F-16 and the 15 FAR out climb the the 35.... Choke on it gas passer.


But that's not what the F-35 was supposed to do.

Sensors...beyond BVR.

Etc.

It was supposed to be a node. Was it not?

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Would you want flying capability over sensors?

How about I'll take the F-22? (i'm covered)


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Would you want flying capability over sensors?

How about I'll take the F-22? (i'm covered)


They are retiring the platform.

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Maybe you read those classified briefings?

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Nothing flying but the F-22 has a chance with it at the merge or in any aspect.

FACT.

Show me the V/N diagrams on the 35 (Hint: they are classified so I know you haven't seen them. Hint #2 I have) and then maybe we can discuss. Hint# 3 there are QUITE A FEW Fourth Generation fighters with superior V?N diagrams to the 35. Both the F-16 and the 15 FAR out climb the the 35.... Choke on it gas passer.


But that's not what the F-35 was supposed to do.

Sensors...beyond BVR.

Etc.

It was supposed to be a node. Was it not?

No sir. it was supposed to do ALL of those things including CAS which it CAN do with modern standoff munitions like JADAM/JSOW, otherwise, it's way too expensive to expose to a CAS mission in the traditional sense. Look if you look at the original Statement of Work (SOW), pricing on the 35 and what we actually purchased, it is just not performing to standards.


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Maybe you read those classified briefings?


Mayne I did.


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It doesn't do CAS.

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Would you want flying capability over sensors?

How about I'll take the F-22? (i'm covered)


They are retiring the platform.

The 22 is another example of going WAY over budget, but the biggest difference between it at the 35, is that it met IOC AND SOW expectations, whereas the 35 (look at the videos above for startters0 wasn't even close


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
It doesn't do CAS.


I most certainly can with standoff weapons.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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It doesn't do CAS.


I most certainly can with standoff weapons.


Yes, but not CAS.

You flew...

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Dropping bombs from 35k ain't a warthog at 1k.

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Originally Posted by Jcubed
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It doesn't do CAS.


I most certainly can with standoff weapons.


Yes, but not CAS.

You flew...

Semantics, CAS CAN begone with standoff weapons... I saw it happen..

[video:youtube]https://i.imgur.com/tijZKih.mp4[/video]


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Dropping bombs from 35k ain't a warthog at 1k.

Sorry.

Sorry, but no. a three meter CEP is a 3 meter CEP no matter what altitude..


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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It doesn't do CAS.


I most certainly can with standoff weapons.


Yes, but not CAS.

You flew...

Semantics, CAS CAN begone with standoff weapons... I saw it happen..

[video:youtube]https://i.imgur.com/tijZKih.mp4[/video]


But that's not CAS. C being close.

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Dropping bombs from 35k ain't a warthog at 1k.

Sorry.

Sorry, but no. a three meter CEP is a 3 meter CEP no matter what altitude..

PS: A Warthog at 1K in an S-300 environment is also called a GRAPE>


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Thinking about the future...

This was back in 2013. Lots of advances lately in Artificial Intelligence. Think of the possibilities.



X-47B Completes First Carrier-based Arrested Landing
"The X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System (UCAS) demonstrator completed its first carrier-based arrested landing on board USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) off the coast of Virginia July 10."
video posted to YouTube on July 10, 2013
YouTube channel: U.S. Navy


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Dropping bombs from 35k ain't a warthog at 1k.

Sorry.

Sorry, but no. a three meter CEP is a 3 meter CEP no matter what altitude..

PS: A Warthog at 1K in an S-300 environment is also called a GRAPE>

PS: enjoyed the back and forth with you, but it's whisky drinking'/cigar time. AMF!


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Dropping bombs from 35k ain't a warthog at 1k.

Sorry.

Sorry, but no. a three meter CEP is a 3 meter CEP no matter what altitude..

PS: A Warthog at 1K in an S-300 environment is also called a GRAPE>


I'd assume you guys would have air superiority at that point?

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Something Russia forgot, if you are honest.

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Dropping bombs from 35k ain't a warthog at 1k.

Sorry.

Sorry, but no. a three meter CEP is a 3 meter CEP no matter what altitude..

PS: A Warthog at 1K in an S-300 environment is also called a GRAPE>

PS: enjoyed the back and forth with you, but it's whisky drinking'/cigar time. AMF!


Enjoy, Sir!

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