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Remember, you are on camera.

Fine line between being cognizant of a body camera and a incredible amount of adrenaline.
Job well done.

All a byproduct of the dominoe effect from LBJ,s great society.
And the pandering of Liberal Socialist Democrats for votes and the empowerment of the Nanny State they have groomed.

Just about everything fuuuked up going on today IMO can be traced back to LBJ,s great society and most favored nation trade status.
Both occurred decades ago..

Those are major factors, but I would add the sexual revolution to that list.

Dead is dead.

Be happy men were there.

Rhetorical, but nonetheless;

Posted this elsewhere today:

Part of the problem is that the mentally I’ll are no longer locked up, and walk among us.

That said, there is a spectrum of severity in that the dangerous ones should be locked up, which is different from having a deficit that requires help and attention.

+1

I posted this elsewhere but I will post this here as well, since we have some Monday Morning QBs who without question are commenting about things that have absolutely zero experience with...






There will be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. The majority of it from people who have never heard a shot fired in anger and have never dealt with an active shooter.

The fact is that they moved quickly, did hasty clears (versus slow and methodical, which I am sure they likely did afterwards to confirm that there were no additional threats/devices, etc) and pushed in as quick as they reasonably could until they found their primary target. Hasty clears can be and are dangerous, as it is easy to miss things, but it is what it is and you need to weigh the odds sometimes and just move towards where you think you will find the fight.

When they did find active shooter #1, they put that threat down, without hesitation. More likely than not, since they were not issued a crystal ball and had no idea if there were more killers, they then continued to search and do what they needed until they could confirm the school was secure.

The bottom line is that no response is perfect, but in this case, I would say they did an excellent job overall and they are responsible for a great many parents getting to hug their kids tonight.



I will further add that many times officers/individuals who have never been under fire or put into such high stress situations like that can have some sensory overload. Knowing what they are doing and what they are up against, the noise of the alarms, the commands and various people feeding them information both in their immediate vicinity as well as on the radio. It all ads up. Many times guys have their adrenalin shoot very high and as a result they start to breath hard. To people who don't know any better, they will comment about how "out of shape" that person is. That generally is not the primary contributing factor.

Often they just need one guy to push them in right direction and take charge. In this case, you could hear it on the audio/video. It had nothing to do with using the guy as a body barricade. The person who was coordinating that element (and there can be multiple elements/teams hastily thrown together) took charge and was doing a quick and hasty clear, not letting anyone slow down, and putting his most appropriate weapons up front (rifles). You want overmatch on a threat. You put overwhelming firepower to bear on the target when and if at all possible.

I have dealt with active shooters personally and seen people freeze up. Once they see you go, they will (and did) follow and the threat was no longer able to kill any more people.

I think they did a good job.

Somebody has to be the point man. Blue shirt guy with the AR was being careful. But he moved when it was time. Big guy with the 12 gauge behaved like he had been seized by the moment once the location of the shots was determined.

Doing that job inside walls with doors everywhere and multiple levels has *got* to be an extremely nerve wracking experience, to say the least. But everybody kept their wits about them and did their job.

My first thought when watching the video was that they had been trained for such an occasion. So they had a good basic understanding of how to go about it. But everybody knows that training is no match for the real thing.

I will bet guy with AR was former military.

Great write up.. those fellas did Gods work and moved towards gunfire and downed the threat. I’d buy any of them a beer.

Well said.

Sh/it knew the police were inside and was shooting out the window, for the main purpose of drawing attention to sh/it's location. Too much of a candy ass to suck the barrel of sh/it's own gun.

Motive is pretty damn clear. Sh/it was targeting specific adult leadership. Once that was accomplished, sh/it's second goal was suicide. If it was about just killing randomly, sh/it wouldn't have stopped and stood by a window.

By the way, when they were going down that last hall upstairs, what was the one officer firing at? He couldn't have seen around that last corner at that time, unless sh/it was moving around in that hall/room where the window was that sh/it was firing out of.

Absolutely.

If the person has XX chromosomes she is a female, no matter what she identifies as, if the person has XY chromosomes he is a male. That science is settled.

Well said and fugg anyone who talks chit on these guys. They ran to their possible deaths and put fear aside to end that animals rampage. Those guys are heros. Wish there were many more like them!

Mac hit it. Obvious to anyone with 2 brain cells who the QB in that formation was. The man did a remarkable repeat of his training assignments. He played like he practiced and in the process kept his riflemen safe and effective. Lives were saved due to following the process. No one in front of that team leader felt like cannon fodder. None. That was a team to be reconned with in the most tragic of times. God bless them all.

It was obvious when he called for three.

Ymmv

Eta: He called for three on me.

Thought they did fine.

“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”
Heraclitus