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Late to the conversation , my question is why are they hiding the manifesto, and going straight to banning guns?
Makes you think???
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Late to the conversation , my question is why are they hiding the manifesto, and going straight to banning guns?
Makes you think???
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I did not read all if the comments
So I hoe I am not repeating someone else's Comment here.
Those officers sure did rehabilitate the shooter in a short time.
To bad our System is so screwed up that the Judges and Lawyers take so long and then let to many go to commit more crimes.
This one will not be hurting and killing anyone else.
The Officers did good and it is Great that they them selves were not injured in the Rehabilitation process with this one.
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Big props to Officer Englebert. Took control from the moment he hit the scene, hastily assembled an entry team, led the way, and then took the shooter out. Incredible job by what appears to be quite a young officer (reportedly a 4 year PD veteran). My guess is he'll be wearing some chevrons soon.
Going to be some Monday morning QB'ing (talk of clusterfuck, guys muzzling each other, etc.), but this is the best example we have ever seen with these school shootings of what needs to happen and what should happen. It wasn't perfect. But it is the most perfect example of the type of officers needed and actions needed when it counts.
Officer Collazo also did a great job, despite being armed with only his sidearm, he was rushing into the thick of things and keeping everyone moving forward.
Those two guys are studs. If only Uvalde had a couple guys with the balls these guys had.
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Jesse Watters said "it,s" Manifesto should be released next week.
Be interesting how the Liberal Socialist Democrats and the Trannies exploit that with agenda word salad talking points.
No doubt it will be cleaned up or reworked to suit their agenda.
Might be on the web now ????
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I posted this elsewhere but I will post this here as well, since we have some Monday Morning QBs who without question are commenting about things that have absolutely zero experience with...
There will be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. The majority of it from people who have never heard a shot fired in anger and have never dealt with an active shooter.
The fact is that they moved quickly, did hasty clears (versus slow and methodical, which I am sure they likely did afterwards to confirm that there were no additional threats/devices, etc) and pushed in as quick as they reasonably could until they found their primary target. Hasty clears can be and are dangerous, as it is easy to miss things, but it is what it is and you need to weigh the odds sometimes and just move towards where you think you will find the fight.
When they did find active shooter #1, they put that threat down, without hesitation. More likely than not, since they were not issued a crystal ball and had no idea if there were more killers, they then continued to search and do what they needed until they could confirm the school was secure.
The bottom line is that no response is perfect, but in this case, I would say they did an excellent job overall and they are responsible for a great many parents getting to hug their kids tonight.
I will further add that many times officers/individuals who have never been under fire or put into such high stress situations like that can have some sensory overload. Knowing what they are doing and what they are up against, the noise of the alarms, the commands and various people feeding them information both in their immediate vicinity as well as on the radio. It all ads up. Many times guys have their adrenalin shoot very high and as a result they start to breath hard. To people who don't know any better, they will comment about how "out of shape" that person is. That generally is not the primary contributing factor.
Often they just need one guy to push them in right direction and take charge. In this case, you could hear it on the audio/video. It had nothing to do with using the guy as a body barricade. The person who was coordinating that element (and there can be multiple elements/teams hastily thrown together) took charge and was doing a quick and hasty clear, not letting anyone slow down, and putting his most appropriate weapons up front (rifles). You want overmatch on a threat. You put overwhelming firepower to bear on the target when and if at all possible.
I have dealt with active shooters personally and seen people freeze up. Once they see you go, they will (and did) follow and the threat was no longer able to kill any more people. Well said and fugg anyone who talks chit on these guys. They ran to their possible deaths and put fear aside to end that animals rampage. Those guys are heros. Wish there were many more like them! This is an important thing to also remember. They knew they were facing possible death or being horribly wounded but they went anyway. That can be aa difficult thing to put out of your mind and focus strictly the job of achieving what needs to be done.
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Shortly after the shooting, the WAPO put up this photo and the name Samantha Hyde (aka Samuel) naming him/her/whatever as the shooter. It's totally the wrong person. He/she/whatever should sue them for defamation. ![[Linked Image from pbs.twimg.com]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsPvmW8WwBMBFNS.jpg)
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Big props to Officer Englebert. Took control from the moment he hit the scene, hastily assembled an entry team, led the way, and then took the shooter out. Incredible job by what appears to be quite a young officer (reportedly a 4 year PD veteran). My guess is he'll be wearing some chevrons soon.
Going to be some Monday morning QB'ing (talk of clusterfuck, guys muzzling each other, etc.), but this is the best example we have ever seen with these school shootings of what needs to happen and what should happen. It wasn't perfect. But it is the most perfect example of the type of officers needed and actions needed when it counts.
Officer Collazo also did a great job, despite being armed with only his sidearm, he was rushing into the thick of things and keeping everyone moving forward.
Those two guys are studs. If only Uvalde had a couple guys with the balls these guys had. I’ll quibble just a little bit and very mildly. First, these guys did much better than anyone else we’ve seen. And they did what they were supposed to do. Now here comes the quibble. If my kid were in that school, I would much rather see them go to the sound of the guns quicker than dick around clearing rooms. The teacher outside told him the shooter was on the second floor. We hear gunshots up there. Get up there and take the guy out immediately. For all you know, the guy is walking from room to room killing kids and the 30 seconds you spent clearing rooms downstairs is the difference between him killing a couple kids and walking into a room with 25 easy targets. Like I said minor quibble. But in these instances I would prefer less attention to officer safety and more reckless and violent action.
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Big props to Officer Englebert. Took control from the moment he hit the scene, hastily assembled an entry team, led the way, and then took the shooter out. Incredible job by what appears to be quite a young officer (reportedly a 4 year PD veteran). My guess is he'll be wearing some chevrons soon.
Going to be some Monday morning QB'ing (talk of clusterfuck, guys muzzling each other, etc.), but this is the best example we have ever seen with these school shootings of what needs to happen and what should happen. It wasn't perfect. But it is the most perfect example of the type of officers needed and actions needed when it counts.
Officer Collazo also did a great job, despite being armed with only his sidearm, he was rushing into the thick of things and keeping everyone moving forward.
Those two guys are studs. If only Uvalde had a couple guys with the balls these guys had. I’ll quibble just a little bit and very mildly. First, these guys did much better than anyone else we’ve seen. And they did what they were supposed to do. Now here comes the quibble. If my kid were in that school, I would much rather see them go to the sound of the guns quicker than dick around clearing rooms. The teacher outside told him the shooter was on the second floor. We hear gunshots up there. Get up there and take the guy out immediately. For all you know, the guy is walking from room to room killing kids and the 30 seconds you spent clearing rooms downstairs is the difference between him killing a couple kids and walking into a room with 25 easy targets. Like I said minor quibble. But in these instances I would prefer less attention to officer safety and more reckless and violent action. The shooting had stopped when they entered, so they we clearing as they went. Once they heard fresh gunfire, they stopped clearing and ran toward the gunfire.
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Great job by the Nashville PD. I assume this was a special team. They had the skills and the necessary urgency to get the job done quickly and undoubtedly saved lives. I think this was just a group of officers that formed as they arrived. Likely they had never trained together, didnt know each other, as evidenced by Officer Collazo giving directions like "go blue" referring to the blue tshirt, or "Push LPVO" and gesturing to the officer with the scoped rifle (Low Power Variable Optic) to go first into the larger room, rather than using names. Most Departments train every member for Active Shooter situations, and the most likely scenario will be that the first 3 or 5 on scene will not be a special Swat type team, just whichever officers are first to arrive. Team leader can be determined by rank or just done on the fly, as some officers regardless of rank have a Leader demeanor. Officer Collazo did a remarkable job in making a cohesive team and directing it, and assessing the unfolding terrain and switching up tactics. He switched Point from having the officer with the shotgun on point when doing stairs and hallways, to switching point to the scoped rifle equipped officer ("Push right LPVO") after seeing the large room in front of them where the shooter was killed. In the video you can see the rifle equipped officer take it off safe as he entered the room just before shooting. He then puts it back on safe and holds as Collazo sweeps past him to deliver 4 more rounds with pistol. Just well done.
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From looking at the surveilence footage from the other thread on page 15 it looks like kids out in the playground on recess. That's probably why It (the sicko shooter) had a hard time finding targets in the school.
It drove right past them and didn't notice the kids outside. This could've been way worse if the shooter had any awareness. I don't believe the kids were the main target. I believe it was the school leaderahip. If the kids weren't the target, why did she shoot them? Her target was anyone she could see.
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Including the 9 year old daughter of a pastor. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/tRxJRY2B/Former-Dallas-pastor-s-child-killed-in-Nashville-school-shooting-Fort-Worth-Star-Telegram.png)
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From looking at the surveilence footage from the other thread on page 15 it looks like kids out in the playground on recess. That's probably why It (the sicko shooter) had a hard time finding targets in the school.
It drove right past them and didn't notice the kids outside. This could've been way worse if the shooter had any awareness. I don't believe the kids were the main target. I believe it was the school leaderahip. If the kids weren't the target, why did she shoot them? Her target was anyone she could see. Main, or primary targets vs. Secondary targets. The administrators she killed were all in their 60's, may have been their when she attended the school. We'll know more when the manifesto is released.
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From looking at the surveilence footage from the other thread on page 15 it looks like kids out in the playground on recess. That's probably why It (the sicko shooter) had a hard time finding targets in the school.
It drove right past them and didn't notice the kids outside. This could've been way worse if the shooter had any awareness. I don't believe the kids were the main target. I believe it was the school leaderahip. If the kids weren't the target, why did she shoot them? Her target was anyone she could see. Main, or primary targets vs. Secondary targets. The administrators she killed were all in their 60's, may have been their when she attended the school. Head administrator, substitute teacher, and custodian from what I gather.
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Great job by the Nashville PD. I assume this was a special team. They had the skills and the necessary urgency to get the job done quickly and undoubtedly saved lives. I think this was just a group of officers that formed as they arrived. Likely they had never trained together, didnt know each other, as evidenced by Officer Collazo giving directions like "go blue" referring to the blue tshirt, or "Push LPVO" and gesturing to the officer with the scoped rifle (Low Power Variable Optic) to go first into the larger room, rather than using names. Most Departments train every member for Active Shooter situations, and the most likely scenario will be that the first 3 or 5 on scene will not be a special Swat type team, just whichever officers are first to arrive. Team leader can be determined by rank or just done on the fly, as some officers regardless of rank have a Leader demeanor. Officer Collazo did a remarkable job in making a cohesive team and directing it, and assessing the unfolding terrain and switching up tactics. He switched Point from having the officer with the shotgun on point when doing stairs and hallways, to switching point to the scoped rifle equipped officer ("Push right LPVO") after seeing the large room in front of them where the shooter was killed. In the video you can see the rifle equipped officer take it off safe as he entered the room just before shooting. He then puts it back on safe and holds as Collazo sweeps past him to deliver 4 more rounds with pistol. Just well done. You may be right that these people hadn't trained together, but they seem to have a higher skill level than the average officer based on what I've seen. At any rate they did a great job, and removed the threat very quickly which is the important thing.
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Including the 9 year old daughter of a pastor. Prayers to the families of the victims. What a tragedy.
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It appears that Youtube and networks have all scrubbed the videos of the final scene. They all cut it off before they show the cops killing her. I've looked a a dozen or more and they all cut off.
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It appears that Youtube and networks have all scrubbed the videos of the final scene. They all cut it off before they show the cops killing her. I've looked a a dozen or more and they all cut off. It's for your protection.
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It appears that Youtube and networks have all scrubbed the videos of the final scene. They all cut it off before they show the cops killing her. I've looked a a dozen or more and they all cut off. It's for your protection. It’s because people were noticing the shoes.
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