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Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Twist rate .
Very interested in your up coming q in 10" twist 458 Winchester Sir Ron !
Very interested !

Not all rifles have bottom metal built like a bank vault,
but some can be rebuilt like a brick dunny:

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I've been adding the same epoxy resin to my B&M caliber rifles since around 2010 they're about....it helps any feeding problem with Winchester Model 70 about the only problem that can be found with a Big Game rifle....

Sir Spruce,
You must have got the house done.
Congrats.
Yep, fast twist may not be much good with cast, like in a SAAMI .458 Lott,
but playing with heavier and longer monometal bullets at both super- and sub-sonic will surely be fun.
Reminds me of my inspiration for a renewed interest in .458 WM+:





The varmint bullet for the 30x113mm "Apache":



So versatile, for busting tanks and bunkers or bunny rabbits,
just pick the right bullet for the job with the 30x113mm.
For the .458 WM+, the 404-grainer will do it all:



Electric primer version of Big Bro':



Percussion primer version, note the BP starter charge ahead of the cap:



Whether 4000 grains at 2600 fps with the 30x113mm "Apache"
or 400 grains at 2600 fps with the .458 WM+,
the family resemblance is unmistakable.
Fraternal twins !

"Whether 4000 grains at 2600 fps with the 30x113mm "Apache"
or 400 grains at 2600 fps with the .458 WM+,
the family resemblance is unmistakable.
Fraternal twins !"

😂 😂
I can see it !!!

Request input from the Knights of the Square Table. I am in a quandary as I have now gone from a dearth of proper 0.458” elephant rifles for the Zim July hunt to 3. A matter of unanticipated gremlins and favorable but unplanned timing.

I have the Ruger Hawkeye African 458 WM which I’ve described here and which must make the trip because I will take 458 WM ammo for my PH to use in his Win M-70 Classic and so a rifle in that caliber must accompany the ammo. But now the 460 G&A I had built on a Win M-70 Classic action arrives tomorrow. And the Ruger RSM 450 Rigby Rimless Magnum which I had planned to take as my primary rifle, but developed feeding problems, has been repaired very rapidly by NECG’s Mark Cromwell and it arrives next week.

So here’s the problem I’m asking input from my brother Knights - which rifle rides in the case with the Hawkeye 458 WM? I have shot the RSM quite a bit and have a proven load with the 500 grain CEB BBW #13 at 2350 fps. I like this rifle. Because the RSM seemed out of action and it was not clear it would be ready in time, I had the 460 G&A built. Now both are ready and both will deliver a true 2350 fps MV with 500 grain monolithic solids.

I’m an inveterate wildcatter so the 460 G&A for an elephant hunt is very alluring. However, the RSM has a slimmed down stock that fits me quite well.

So THE QUESTION for the Square Table - which rifle would be your choice? The 450 Rigby RSM or the Win M-70 460 G&A?

Easy, Rugers !
When the 450 arrives, run the snot out of it real quick.
If everything is good , your gtg.
If not, take the Winchester.

It's not done but it's livable and paid for. And the work continues. As breakup is upon us . The starter gun has been fired. It's a mad dash to freeze up !!!! 😢😢💪

The slow heavy and Stable is of great interest.

The Ruger "fits quite well" is your answer

Sounds like the RSM needs a hard look once I get it back. If it performs as it originally did, it may well. E the front runner.

Thanks, Sirs.

Sir Khulu,
I understand your indecision.
Flip a coin.
In God we trust.

Sir Larry,
You are very discerning in your observations.
Asante sana sana for playing the straight man to my schtick !

I now have another pet cartridge, just don't have a rifle for it yet.
Until then I am sticking with Little Brother .458 WinMag.







Fast twist experiments coming for Little Brother with 24" barrel and 16.9" barrel on Cussin' Cousin .458 B&M+
with same net case capacity and same throat, both with 1:10" twist.

Of HIGH INTEREST to me: a M70 Super Grade .458 Winchester Magnum Cabela's 50th Anniversary just sold at my favorite emporium for $2500 less one dollar! It is like new with a KAPS 2 - 8 x 42 scope and lots of fine touches! It was "in" and "out" within 24 hrs.

Goes to show that .458s are still in high demand!

And the purchaser was obviously waiting for such a distinct buy because there were many other listed DGRs. Examples: a MerKel SxS in .375 H&H for $8999; Serengeti African .416 Rem $8999; H&H Magazine Rifle in .375 H&H (terrible drop at comb) for $25,000 less $1.

Obviously, the proposed buyers of those others would be sentimental art lovers. And there were several other .416s, .375s and .338s. Only the .338 WMs were relatively cheap.

As soon as a .458 Win Mag shows up it's gone!

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Sir Bob,
You are keeping good company:

https://ellwoodepps.com/winchester-model-70-super-grade-cabelas-50th-anniversary-edition.html
Winchester
Model MODEL 70 SUPER GRADE CABELAS 50TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION
Calibre 458 WIN MAG
Calibre Group Dangerous Game
Barrel Length (inches) 23.5
Shots 4
Condition Excellent
Legal Classification Non-Restricted
Action Bolt Action
Detail CHECKERED GRADE IV/V SATIN FINISHED WALNUT STOCK, BLACK GRIP CAP, RED RUBBER RECOIL PAD, SLING SWIVEL STUDS, BLACK FOREND CAP, MATTE BLUED FINISH, IRON SIGHTS, CONTROL FEED ACTION, HINGED FLOOR PLATE, WITH EAW QUICK RELEASE MOUNTS AND RINGS, AND KAPS 2-8X42 SCOPE, 30MM TUBE. CABELAS 50TH ANNIVERSARY EDITION ONLY 500 MADE, HINGED FLOOR PLATE HAS ENGRAVING AND GOLD ACCENT WITH CABELAS 50TH ANNIVERSARY LOGO.
Sold This item has been sold.

Asante sana sana for your recent blogs, what with a shared interest in the .338-.375 mediums.

New powder of interest for the .458 WinMag and lesser calibers: Staball Match
Hopefully this Winchester-labeled powder will get some use.
It is a little faster than CFE 223.
Supposed to be temperature stable and copper cleaning too.

Funny how you can find the new powders when the old standbys are scarce.
I am not complaining.
The .458 WinMag benefits from any of the powders good in the currently popular small bores.

$2499 Canadian was a steal for this, with EAW QR mounts and a KAPS 2-8x42mm scope, like new by looks of it:









I would still rather have the Canadian-made (Alberta) Near Mfg. Picatinny with a 25-MOA tilt
for 1000-yard Creedmoor Match shooting with the .458 WinMag M70.
The integral recoil stop on the bottom of the Picatinny is patented genius:

Nostalgic wood and 2.5X scope go well together.
Using a 2-pound synthetic stock would allow for more scope and still make the 10-pound weight limit,
for the 150th Anniversary "Creedmost" match.
The 1956 model African was a stock smasher,
quickly remedied by 1957 with addition of barrel lug and second crossbolt:

Just some guidance for the upcoming 150th Anniversary "Creedmost" Match:

10 pounds maximum rifle weight with any type sights (no ammunition on board).
3.0-pound minimum trigger pull weight.
Any powder, smokeless or black or a combination.
Any monometal copper, brass, lead or jacketed lead bullet whether greaser, paper-patched, or metal-patched, w/wo add-on ballistic tip.
Sub-caliber sabot loads not allowed, but plastic-skirted, full-bore "Power Belt" bullets allowed
for inclusivity of muzzle loaders, .40-.50-caliber,
in case the UK/Irish Team shows up.

What is the empty case, H2O capacity of the 458 B&M ?

Case capacity of the 458 WM case to the mouth is 94 grains water, according to this source.