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1) The fossil record.
2) Ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny. Google it.

Antlers,

You are correct, anyone’s interpretation of Genesis is not a factor in salvation. But, folks will dredge up any old falsehood to justify their non-belief. They can’t see truth and prefer to adhere to self serving falsehood.

idahoshooters reference to the 7000 year number is just an old tired strawman. We’ve all seen it before. The Bible does not say the earth was created in 6000 years or so. What it does say is that God did it. God, the Creator, DID it.

How He did it is another issue.

Yep, this is exactly the type of response I expected.

Seems you will just go along with the crowd and choose not to do your own investigation.

Are you a Biden voter?

Nope, pls provide what you think is proof of evolution. Transitional fossils? The claim of transitional fossils is simply biased and self serving error. The geologic column has none…..

Got any ideas about the evolution of the horse? What a joke….

As I have said before, you are choosing to believe error.

Antlers,

You are correct, anyone’s interpretation of Genesis is not a factor in salvation. But, folks will dredge up any old falsehood to justify their non-belief. They can’t see truth and prefer to adhere to self serving falsehood.

idahoshooters reference to the 7000 year number is just an old tired strawman. We’ve all seen it before. The Bible does not say the earth was created in 6000 years or so. What it does say is that God did it. God, the Creator, DID it.

How He did it is another issue.

Actually, Rich is correct on this point.

Atmospheric pressure would be 15 lb/sq in at sea level, what ever that happened to be.

But you must remember his contention that there were no mountains to cover with water. So sea level would have needed to rise only slightly.

I have heard these twistings of facts from my Uncles, Aunts, Grandparents, Dad, and Pastors for sixty years as they attempt to fit observable facts into their Bible narrative. But none could ever explain how the salt water fishes survived the sudden change in salinity from this influx of fresh water. Nor could they explain the survival of the fresh water fishes which suddenly found themselves in an ocean.

Dinosaurs do not fit anywhere. "Their fossils were placed on Earth by the Great Deceiver." Dad claimed there were never any ice ages. Despite that our 20 acre farm is on top of a large glacial gravel deposit.

When one is convinced that all of Earth's history is crammed into less than 7000 years, one can believe anything. Everything is possible in magic.

Your opinion of my "contention that there were no mountains to cover with water” is incorrect. My contention is the Bible is accurate because God is Omniscient and told Moses what to write. God’s Word tells us “The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the HIGH mountains were covered. The water prevailed fifteen cubits (15X20”= 30 feet) higher, and the mountains were covered.”

Explain to me in simple terms how an ice age can happen. I have an easy explanation, but you have a bias against it.

Dinosaurs (dragons) are found in cave paintings, cathedrals, tombs, pottery and other places. When something shows up on at least three different cultures they consider it based on facts. Consider dinosaurs are found in England, Western Europe, China, Japan, Israel, Central and South America.

Heck, lets go on. If not for evolution, why do Africans have black skin while Scandinavians and Irish are the palest of white? Why do Native Americans have cupped teeth while Europeans have flat teeth? Why do Mediterraneans have dark olive skin? Why is it typical for a population near the sea and Vitamin D rich sea food to have darker skin while inland peoples with vitamin D deficient diets have light skin? Why is it the Sherpas can thrive at altitudes which kill all other people? Why do some populations thrive on dairy products and milk while others are sickened by lactose? Why do Asians have slanted eyes while Europeans have round eyes?

All of these environmental adaptations are examples of evolution within our own species.

Spot on!! I offer this picture as proof of dinosaurs existing with people. There are countless "Phd's" that say it happened!

Heck, lets go on. If not for evolution, why do Africans have black skin while Scandinavians and Irish are the palest of white? Why do Native Americans have cupped teeth while Europeans have flat teeth? Why do Mediterraneans have dark olive skin? Why is it typical for a population near the sea and Vitamin D rich sea food to have darker skin while inland peoples with vitamin D deficient diets have light skin? Why is it the Sherpas can thrive at altitudes which kill all other people? Why do some populations thrive on dairy products and milk while others are sickened by lactose? Why do Asians have slanted eyes while Europeans have round eyes?

All of these environmental adaptations are examples of evolution within our own species.

Heck, lets go on. If not for evolution, why do Africans have black skin while Scandinavians and Irish are the palest of white? Why do Native Americans have cupped teeth while Europeans have flat teeth? Why do Mediterraneans have dark olive skin? Why is it typical for a population near the sea and Vitamin D rich sea food to have darker skin while inland peoples with vitamin D deficient diets have light skin? Why is it the Sherpas can thrive at altitudes which kill all other people? Why do some populations thrive on dairy products and milk while others are sickened by lactose? Why do Asians have slanted eyes while Europeans have round eyes?

All of these environmental adaptations are examples of evolution within our own species.

Ica pottery/stones shows dinosaurs as they are depicted today. Not only dinosaurs, but people riding those dinosaurs with saddles and reins. How did those people know what they looked like, down to the number of toes they had (correctly) if they had not seen them? There are a large number of "Phd's" that have studied these. Evidence from around the world exists of similar situations with cave paintings, etc. People did exist at the same time as dinosaurs. It just doesn't fit with the current evolutionary theory. Radiocarbon dating should never have been used. It is EXTREMELY inaccurate. Modern objects that are tested have come back as being 50-100k years old by that method.

Heck, lets go on. If not for evolution, why do Africans have black skin while Scandinavians and Irish are the palest of white? Why do Native Americans have cupped teeth while Europeans have flat teeth? Why do Mediterraneans have dark olive skin? Why is it typical for a population near the sea and Vitamin D rich sea food to have darker skin while inland peoples with vitamin D deficient diets have light skin? Why is it the Sherpas can thrive at altitudes which kill all other people? Why do some populations thrive on dairy products and milk while others are sickened by lactose? Why do Asians have slanted eyes while Europeans have round eyes?

All of these environmental adaptations are examples of evolution within our own species.

Antlers,

You are correct, anyone’s interpretation of Genesis is not a factor in salvation. But, folks will dredge up any old falsehood to justify their non-belief. They can’t see truth and prefer to adhere to self serving falsehood.

idahoshooters reference to the 7000 year number is just an old tired strawman. We’ve all seen it before. The Bible does not say the earth was created in 6000 years or so. What it does say is that God did it. God, the Creator, DID it.

How He did it is another issue.

Your opinion of my "contention that there were no mountains to cover with water” is incorrect. My contention is the Bible is accurate because God is Omniscient and told Moses what to write. God’s Word tells us “The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the HIGH mountains were covered. The water prevailed fifteen cubits (15X20”= 30 feet) higher, and the mountains were covered.”

Explain to me in simple terms how an ice age can happen. I have an easy explanation, but you have a bias against it.

Dinosaurs (dragons) are found in cave paintings, cathedrals, tombs, pottery and other places. When something shows up on at least three different cultures they consider it based on facts. Consider dinosaurs are found in England, Western Europe, China, Japan, Israel, Central and South America.

It wasn't. The lake was caused by the Flood. The Rockies were caused when God pushed down the low places and raised up the high places.

God’s Word tells us He raised up the high places and pushed down the low places. If the earth was smoothed like a cue ball, the water would be at least 2,000 feet deep. There was no Himalayans, Andes, Rockies, or Alps prior to the Flood. God, Who was The Eye Witness and knows everything about everything (Omniscient) says the water was at least twenty feet higher than the tallest hills at the time of the Flood.

Over thousands of years, the amount of sunshine reaching Earth changes by quite a lot, particularly in the northern latitudes, the area near and around the North Pole. When less sunlight reaches the northern latitudes, temperatures drop and more water freezes into ice, starting an ice age.

In general, it is felt that ice ages are caused by a chain reaction of positive feedbacks triggered by periodic changes in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. These feedbacks, involving the spread of ice and the release of greenhouse gases, work in reverse to warm the Earth up again when the orbital cycle shifts back.

The three orbital variations are: (1) changes in Earth's orbit around the Sun (eccentricity), (2) shifts in the tilt of Earth's axis (obliquity), and (3) the wobbling motion of Earth's axis (precession).

The last glacial period began about 100,000 years ago and lasted until 25,000 years ago. Today we are in a warm interglacial period.

What is an ice age?

An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when glaciers retreat (called interglacials or interglacial cycles) and colder temperatures when glaciers advance (called glacials or glacial cycles).

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth’s history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder.

What causes an ice age and glacial-interglacial cycles?

Many factors contribute to climate variations, including changes in ocean and atmosphere circulation patterns, varying concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide, and even volcanic eruptions. The following discusses key factors in (1) initiating ice ages and (2) the timing of glacial-interglacial cycles.
Four fairly regular glacial-interglacial cycles occurred during the past 450,000 years. The shorter interglacial cycles (10,000 to 30,000 years) were about as warm as present and alternated with much longer (70,000 to 90,000 years) glacial cycles substantially colder than present. Notice the longer time with jagged cooling events dropping into the colder glacials followed by the faster abrupt temperature swings to the warmer interglacials.

Four fairly regular glacial-interglacial cycles occurred during the past 450,000 years. The shorter interglacial cycles (10,000 to 30,000 years) were about as warm as present and alternated with much longer (70,000 to 90,000 years) glacial cycles substantially colder than present.

One significant trigger in initiating ice ages is the changing positions of Earth’s ever-moving continents, which affect ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns. When plate-tectonic movement causes continents to be arranged such that warm water flow from the equator to the poles is blocked or reduced, ice sheets may arise and set another ice age in motion. Today’s ice age most likely began when the land bridge between North and South America (Isthmus of Panama) formed and ended the exchange of tropical water between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, significantly altering ocean currents.

How do we know about past ice ages?

Scientists have reconstructed past ice ages by piecing together information derived from studying ice cores, deep sea sediments, fossils, and landforms.

Ice and sediment cores reveal an impressive detailed history of global climate. Cores are collected by driving long hollow tubes as much as 2 miles deep into glacial ice or ocean floor sediments. Ice cores provide annual and even seasonal climate records for up to hundreds of thousands of years, complementing the millions of years of climate records in ocean sediment cores.

Within just the past couple of decades, ice cores recovered from Earth’s two existing ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica, have revealed the most detailed climate records yet.
Do ice ages come and go slowly or rapidly?

Records show that ice ages typically develop slowly, whereas they end more abruptly. Glacials and interglacials within an ice age display this same trend.

On a shorter time scale, global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more. For example, as Earth was emerging out of the last glacial cycle, the warming trend was interrupted 12,800 years ago when temperatures dropped dramatically in only several decades. A mere 1,300 years later, temperatures locally spiked as much as 20°F (11°C) within just several years. Sudden changes like this occurred at least 24 times during the past 100,000 years. In a relative sense, we are in a time of unusually stable temperatures today—how long will it last?

Everything you listed is not evolution. Those are adaptations. They have not contributed to speciation, unless you're trying to say that homosapiens have different species.

Ica pottery/stones shows dinosaurs as they are depicted today. Not only dinosaurs, but people riding those dinosaurs with saddles and reins. How did those people know what they looked like, down to the number of toes they had (correctly) if they had not seen them? There are a large number of "Phd's" that have studied these. Evidence from around the world exists of similar situations with cave paintings, etc. People did exist at the same time as dinosaurs. It just doesn't fit with the current evolutionary theory. Radiocarbon dating should never have been used. It is EXTREMELY inaccurate. Modern objects that are tested have come back as being 50-100k years old by that method.

LMFAO! The Ica stones are widely regarded as hoaxes.